Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[zoyathedestroya]

Jaylen Brown for Isaiah Joe. WHO SAYS NO?!?!

[Celts17Pride]

So, what's the point?

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

But he's not worth the deal even minus all those bonuses. The C's should have lowered their demands in trading him before now, but now is the time to get what they can and be done with it.

What NBA player is worth the money? Very few.

Fred VanVleet worth $42 million per year? Bradley Beal worth $52 million per year? Rudy Gobert worth $43 million per year? Ben Simmons worth $38.5 million per year? Zach LaVine worth $44 million per year?

It's the NBA, worth has nothing to do with it.

[cloverleaf]

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

But he's not worth the deal even minus all those bonuses. The C's should have lowered their demands in trading him before now, but now is the time to get what they can and be done with it.

What NBA player is worth the money? Very few.

Fred VanVleet worth $42 million per year? Bradley Beal worth $52 million per year? Rudy Gobert worth $43 million per year? Ben Simmons worth $38.5 million per year? Zach LaVine worth $44 million per year?

It's the NBA, worth has nothing to do with it.

I would have thought it was obvious I was referring to a relative basis, within the parameters of NBA team construction and competition.

[Bill Lumbergh]

All of this is just the biggest non story and just fodder for all the Jaylen Brown haters.

If I am Jaylen Brown I'm asking for the world. It's a negotiation!!!

I'm asking for NTC, the biggest trade kicker possible, options, highest dollars possible, maximum number of years etc. Whatever I could get. Just like 99.999999999% of all NBA players would ask for.

Just total nonsense.

He can ask for whatever he wants, but Brad can pick up the phone and trade him right now to any team where his base salary will be much lower than what the C's are likely offering.

Sure, he can trade him, which I would be in favor of, but for 75 percent of what he's worth. How does that help the Celtics contend
this season? It seems to set them back.

I wonder what the Cs will be able to fetch for him after he's on a supermax, if he's regarded as a bad contract and not worth that money. Will he fetch 75% of what he's worth. Would we have to attach assets to move off a perceived bad contract? Point is, I'm not sure if we could get better value for him now on this smaller contract, or later after he's got a supermax. I guess it all depends on whether Jaylen is regarded as a bad contract on his supermax. If so, I say we get less value back. This is a calculation you have to make if you think the Cs won't be carrying all three of JT, Porz, and JB beyond this present year. Projecting out, I think JB will be regarded as a bad contract on a supermax, so I've been in favor of trading him now to Atlanta for some package, two of their guys. My thought was DJM and Hunter, but they have other interesting guys as well.

[shackles10]

DDB has been here a lot longer than yourself. He has had stuff that has been vetted and verified in the past.

Once, 15 years ago. I’ve lurked here since 05. I know ddb well enough

So you also know the board rules to not take shots at other posters then. Everyone has their own opinions.

No need to backseat mod, but if you have a problem with a post being out of bounds as a shot at a poster please report it in the future. Thanks

[sam_I_am]

Without Brown, this team was a gentleman sweep in first round. With him they are a perennial contender. You argue back and forth all day whether he is worth a supermax, a max but at the end of the day …. there are 30 NBA teams and therefore by definition there are 30 guys who deserve to be #1 on one of them. JB has earned that money and make no mistake he is getting it from the Celtics.

And if you have a player of that value you don’t give him away regardless of what you think of his shortcomings. Once he is extended - and he is absolutely 100% going to be - he can’t be traded for a year.

[Larry_Russell]

Trade him.


I am firmly of the belief that, in this case, 2 nickels is worth more than Browns dime.

I also firmly believe that if Dame had Boston on his list he would be a celtic right now.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[hugepatsfan]

This team is not paying Bey lol.

Long-term? Probably not. But maybe you could send some 2nds for him now as an expiring and then next year flip him for those second back like we did with Grant this year?

Well it's very relevant in light of your other post above. This team can make a few wiggles and land space for a guy making ~5-6M+. Is that guy Bey? I highly, highly doubt it - they went to great lengths last year to note why it wasn't likely they were getting a buy-out wing. Ie, there was no minutes left to play.

In other words, why shoot their last modest wad on a guy that hasn't shown he's ready for where they are going (he was active but blah, -34 over six games in their first round series) and is going to want to play, and isn't even cheap? It's not just whatever it takes to get him, but more he doesn't fit $-wise and roster-wise on the team. People always beg for a wing, they've said they aren't looking for one unless they can be like Blake Griffin, just cool on the bench until needed if at all.

But in responding to your other post, who would they actually want in that range? If they move PP, I'd think a guard, though not too many obvious choices. I've pitched Cole Anthony, but that's kind of random speculation. Wright/Caruso we've talked about, though not sure even possible in this $-wise in this context. Maybe they just want Gallo back lol.

I think there are two key differences:

1) Buyout market vs offseason market. When we had no playing time for a wing last year, it was on the buyout market. We're talking about higher caliber of players now because we're actually giving assets in these hypothetical trades and also players don't get to chase the most playing time in trades vs buyouts.

2) We essentially did a 2 for 1 playoff rotation trade of Smart/Grant for Porzingis. So now we're looking for player(s) to compete with Hauser/Pritchard for the 8th man role, while last year it was to compete with them for the 9th man role. Seems small, but huge difference because 8th guy is someone you need to play playoff minutes.

So last year it was signing a guy like Will Barton to play 15 regular season minutes a game then rot on the bench in the playoffs. Not a real important thing to prioritize over seeing if Hauser/Pritchard grow. Now, this is a fairly important role for the playoffs that is open and potentially worth pursuing with more purpose.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown and Pritchardto the Wolves

KAT to Houston

Jaylen Green to Washington

Kevin Porter Jr, Sengun and Tyus Jones to Bosotn


Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Porter Jr/
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Sengun/Kornet

[Celticsfan100]

Brown and Pritchardto the Wolves

KAT to Houston

Jaylen Green to Washington

Kevin Porter Jr, Sengun and Tyus Jones to Bosotn


Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Porter Jr/
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Sengun/Kornet

Lol funny. People are looking to make the team worse

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Brown and Pritchardto the Wolves

KAT to Houston

Jaylen Green to Washington

Kevin Porter Jr, Sengun and Tyus Jones to Bosotn


Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Porter Jr/
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Sengun/Kornet

Lol funny. People are looking to make the team worse

Tell me about it! I Swear if Brad could trade fans to another team. people are coming with such a garbage trade, forget banner 18

[ddb]

The point of what? You ask for the moon and more, which anybody knows you're not worth, but you're taking a risk. Because you may earn less than the moon elsewhere.

Please let me know if you need subtitles in other languages, or maybe a financial breakdown.

But he's not worth the deal even minus all those bonuses. The C's should have lowered their demands in trading him before now, but now is the time to get what they can and be done with it.

What NBA player is worth the money? Very few.

Fred VanVleet worth $42 million per year? Bradley Beal worth $52 million per year? Rudy Gobert worth $43 million per year? Ben Simmons worth $38.5 million per year? Zach LaVine worth $44 million per year?

It's the NBA, worth has nothing to do with it.

You just listed a few of the worst contracts in the NBA. Jaylen Brown will be in that group soon.

[ddb]

Brown and Pritchardto the Wolves

KAT to Houston

Jaylen Green to Washington

Kevin Porter Jr, Sengun and Tyus Jones to Bosotn


Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Porter Jr/
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Sengun/Kornet

Common Larry_Russell. Some of your ideas are fun, this one is downright GROSS. No F'in way!

[ddb]

Trade him.


I am firmly of the belief that, in this case, 2 nickels is worth more than Browns dime.

I also firmly believe that if Dame had Boston on his list he would be a celtic right now.

Still could happen

[Larry_Russell]

1)Without Brown, this team was a gentleman sweep in first round.
2) With him they are a perennial contender.
You argue back and forth all day whether he is worth a supermax, a max but at the end of the day …. there are 30 NBA teams and therefore by definition there are 30 guys who deserve to be #1 on one of them. JB has earned that money and make no mistake he is getting it from the Celtics.

And if you have a player of that value you don’t give him away regardless of what you think of his shortcomings. Once he is extended - and he is absolutely 100% going to be - he can’t be traded for a year.

1) That is completely debateable and based on nothing but your own opinions and beliefs.

2) Maybe, but also with what you get from a Brown deal and adding KP we are still perennial contenders.

3) I would argue that Jaylen does not deserve to be number 1 on any single team.

go down through the list of teams and their top players...there are very few teams that Jaylen would be the unquestioned number 1 on.

Atlanta Hawks - Trae
Boston Celtics - Tatum
Brooklyn Nets - Bridges
Charlotte Hornets - Ball
Chicago Bulls - Demar/Lavine
Cleveland Cavaliers - Mitchell/Garland
Dallas Mavericks - Luka and Kyrie
Denver Nuggets - Jokic, Murray
Detroit Pistons - Sure
Golden State Warriors - Steph
Houston Rockets - FVV and the youth
Indiana Pacers - Haliburton
Los Angeles Clippers - Kawhi and George
Los Angeles Lakers - Davis and LEbron
Memphis Grizzlies - Ja,
Miami Heat - Butler
Milwaukee Bucks - Giannis, Jrue
Minnesota Timberwolves - Ant and KAT
New Orleans Pelicans - Ingram
New York Knicks - Brunson
Oklahoma City Thunder - SGA
Orlando Magic - Sure
Philadelphia 76ers - Embiid
Phoenix Suns - Durant, Booker
Portland Trail Blazers - Dame
Sacramento Kings - Sabonis, Fox
San Antonio Spurs - Victor
Toronto Raptors - Siakam
Utah Jazz - Markannen
Washington Wizards - Sure

There are three teams that I personally hve Jaylen as the true Alpha #1 guy on.

And some of these teams have 2 guys I put above him with a couple teams that I would accept him being argued over the players I listed

[Larry_Russell]

Trade him.


I am firmly of the belief that, in this case, 2 nickels is worth more than Browns dime.

I also firmly believe that if Dame had Boston on his list he would be a celtic right now.

Still could happen

I hope cause a team with Dame/Tatum/Porzingas/White is a favorite to win hands down.

and I want a title/

[Larry_Russell]

Brown and Pritchardto the Wolves

KAT to Houston

Jaylen Green to Washington

Kevin Porter Jr, Sengun and Tyus Jones to Bosotn


Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Porter Jr/
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Sengun/Kornet

Common Larry_Russell. Some of your ideas are fun, this one is downright GROSS. No F'in way!

yeah...lol

[ddb]

F&ck it, he looks pretty good. And he's listed at 6'11", 240 lbs but in this vid he looks closer to 6'10" but that's still good size. Still young (age 25), Tatum's close friend. At least give him like a non-guaranteed deal so can compete for a roster spot in training camp.

If that’s the “workout” it’s meaningless. He’s not going game speed, and he looks like he’s lost even more athleticism. I loved his talent even after the injuries - the rebounding instinct, shot blocking timing, flashes of vision as a passer, the quick, compact hook shots.

But to put all that together, through constant injuries and missed development time.. he’s the longest of long shots.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him in training camp but he looks like a slower less athletic Noah Vonleh in that video.

Every roster has a couple of guys sitting at the end of the bench cheerleading. I'd sign Giles to the minimum simply to keep JT happy. Even if he only appears in 23 games and averages 3 & 2.

[165bows]

1)Without Brown, this team was a gentleman sweep in first round.
2) With him they are a perennial contender.
You argue back and forth all day whether he is worth a supermax, a max but at the end of the day …. there are 30 NBA teams and therefore by definition there are 30 guys who deserve to be #1 on one of them. JB has earned that money and make no mistake he is getting it from the Celtics.

And if you have a player of that value you don’t give him away regardless of what you think of his shortcomings. Once he is extended - and he is absolutely 100% going to be - he can’t be traded for a year.

1) That is completely debateable and based on nothing but your own opinions and beliefs.

2) Maybe, but also with what you get from a Brown deal and adding KP we are still perennial contenders.

3) I would argue that Jaylen does not deserve to be number 1 on any single team.

go down through the list of teams and their top players...there are very few teams that Jaylen would be the unquestioned number 1 on.

Atlanta Hawks - Trae
Boston Celtics - Tatum
Brooklyn Nets - Bridges
Charlotte Hornets - Ball
Chicago Bulls - Demar/Lavine
Cleveland Cavaliers - Mitchell/Garland
Dallas Mavericks - Luka and Kyrie
Denver Nuggets - Jokic, Murray
Detroit Pistons - Sure
Golden State Warriors - Steph
Houston Rockets - FVV and the youth
Indiana Pacers - Haliburton
Los Angeles Clippers - Kawhi and George
Los Angeles Lakers - Davis and LEbron
Memphis Grizzlies - Ja,
Miami Heat - Butler
Milwaukee Bucks - Giannis, Jrue
Minnesota Timberwolves - Ant and KAT
New Orleans Pelicans - Ingram
New York Knicks - Brunson
Oklahoma City Thunder - SGA
Orlando Magic - Sure
Philadelphia 76ers - Embiid
Phoenix Suns - Durant, Booker
Portland Trail Blazers - Dame
Sacramento Kings - Sabonis, Fox
San Antonio Spurs - Victor
Toronto Raptors - Siakam
Utah Jazz - Markannen
Washington Wizards - Sure

There are three teams that I personally hve Jaylen as the true Alpha #1 guy on.

And some of these teams have 2 guys I put above him with a couple teams that I would accept him being argued over the players I listed

FVV lol these lists people put together.