Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[Cricket23]

Utah trades Sexton, Horton Tucker
Utah gets Brogdon, Pritchard

Utah badly needs help at PG

Detroit trades Hayes
Detroit gets Horton Tucker

With Hayes, Ivey, and now Thompson and Sasser, Hayes is expendable.

Boston trades Brogdon and Pritchard
Boston gets Sexton and Hayes

Sexton plays hard and replaces the scoring of Brogdon. Hayes has come along slowly but he's still just 21. He's a good passer with size 6'5" who knows how to run an offense. I think he's a good buy low guy who could still improve significantly. Boston saves 1.8 mil this year

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Dame becoming Blazers locker room cancer? Lol

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Unless LAC are willing to include Mann, not sure a Brogdon deal is there to be made anymore. I'm assuming they aren't idiotic enough to send one of their tradable 1sts from 2028-2030 for Brogdon. Mann is the only thing of real value now that they made their #30 pick already (unless that's a guy we really like?)

If they traded Mann and Covington for Brogdon, they'd have:

Brogdon / Westbrook
PG / Powell
Kawhi / KMart Jr.
Batum / Morris
Zubac / Plumlee

Bones Hyland, Amir Coffey, Kobe Brown, Brandon Boston Jr., Jason Preston would be their deep bench.

That's a good 10 man rotation. On our end, we'd have:

White / Pritchard
Brown / Mann
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Covington
RWilliams / Horford

I don't like it over keeping Brogdon. But, if I could flip Covington's expiring deal with picks (and maybe other filler salary) to get another good piece back, then I'm intrigued.

Yeah I'm not that thrilled with Norm Powell (nor do I think they make that move). As you said, tough to see it at all without a three team move.

[Kalela]

I am thinking Oubre is holding out for a big contract but I like him as a role player. He is a very good defender and when he gets hot, he can win you games. Low BBIQ for most of them though.

[GoGreen]

Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

[ddb]

Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

This Dame only wanting Miami stuff is starting to really make me doubt his character. KG was loyal to a fault and when it became inevitable Minny was moving on, KG wanted Phoenix or LA, but when push came to shove he was open minded and went to what turned out to be a great situation for him in Boston.

Hopefully Dame reaches that point soon. Boston gives him the absolute best opportunity to win a title or two.

[Hal14]

Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

I wouldn't say it's on hold.

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[meatball sub]

dame only cares about low expectations and rapping

[chrisab123]

Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

This Dame only wanting Miami stuff is starting to really make me doubt his character. KG was loyal to a fault and when it became inevitable Minny was moving on, KG wanted Phoenix or LA, but when push came to shove he was open minded and went to what turned out to be a great situation for him in Boston.

Hopefully Dame reaches that point soon. Boston gives him the absolute best opportunity to win a title or two.

Not only that but he considers himself a Celtic and not really much of a T-Wolf. Kind of sad that it happened that way because he hates ownership.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

This Dame only wanting Miami stuff is starting to really make me doubt his character. KG was loyal to a fault and when it became inevitable Minny was moving on, KG wanted Phoenix or LA, but when push came to shove he was open minded and went to what turned out to be a great situation for him in Boston.

Hopefully Dame reaches that point soon. Boston gives him the absolute best opportunity to win a title or two.

It was a long time ago, but seems KG was more open to getting dealt to Boston when Ainge traded for Ray Allen, which made them contenders, whereas Lillard seems to have no interest in winning a title in Boston.

[zoyathedestroya]

Happy 7-11, for those who celebrate!

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Well if this Dame thing is on hold, hopefully we can start seeing some movement again. Seems like everything died as soon as the Dame stuff went when down.

This Dame only wanting Miami stuff is starting to really make me doubt his character. KG was loyal to a fault and when it became inevitable Minny was moving on, KG wanted Phoenix or LA, but when push came to shove he was open minded and went to what turned out to be a great situation for him in Boston.

Hopefully Dame reaches that point soon. Boston gives him the absolute best opportunity to win a title or two.

It was a long time ago, but seems KG was more open to getting dealt to Boston when Ainge traded for Ray Allen, which made them contenders, whereas Lillard seems to have no interest in winning a title in Boston.

Yep. Unfortunately.

[Curmudgeon]

He thinks he can win a title in Miami and he appears to have the clout to get there.

[Hal14]

I'm gonna have to take a look at some John Wall film from this past season.

If we are gonna keep JB and not trade him. If we're not gonna get Dame. If we're gonna have 3 high usage, high volume scorers, and none of them have an assist % of 25 or higher...and our highest assist % guy on the team right now is Brogdon, at just 21.5%.

And if we know that the last 13 teams to win the NBA title, all of them had a guy with an assist rate of 30% or higher....

Well, that tells me we need to add another playmaker. And we only have 12 guys currently on a guaranteed contract so we could sign another guy.

A quick glance at John Wall's stats....
-35% assist rate this past season
-He's played 11 seasons. He's had an assist rate of 35% or higher in EVERY one of those 11 seasons.
-He's had an assist rate of 46% for a full season, 3 different times. He played in 77+ games in each of those 3 seasons.

He might be washed up. But last season (in addition to the 35% assist rate) he also averaged 11 PPG, in 22 MPG.

His job would be pretty simple. Come off the bench for about 20-22 MPG, and be a facilitator, a distributor. Push the pace, bend the defense, drive into the lane and drop dimes EVERYWHERE.

Only 30% from 3 last season. 32% for his career. If you add Wall, you would want to flip Pritchard - he'll throw a hissy fit if we add another guard and bury him in the rotation again.

So, if you sign Wall to the minimum and trade Pritchard, you'd want to add another shooter off the bench. Because not only are you adding a non-shooter (wall) and losing a shooter (Pritchard), but we've also added some other guys off the bench who are suspect shooters (walsh, brissett, banton) and lost a good shooter off the bench (Grant).

The shooter we add, it could be in the same deal where we trade Pritchard. But that might be hard to find the right deal that works for both teams. More likely, we trade Pritchard for a small TPE and/or draft compensation, then sign some free agent who can shoot - preferable with some size as well (like perhaps Terence Davis, or perhaps Dzanan Musa from overseas) or perhaps you swing a separate deal, using the Grant TPE and get saddiq Bey (rumors are saying that we're interested in trading for him).

Or perhaps you flip Brogdon, then sign Wall (so there's less confusion about roles and who THE backup PG is between Wall and Brogdon) and just keep Pritchard as a spark plug, energy shooter off the bench. Defensively though, that could get scary with Wall + Pritchard (or even Brogdon + Pritchard) out there together..and then that also leaves the question, what are you getting in return for Brogdon?

[Kefa461]

has anyone asked dame why he does not want to be traded to boston i mean really pin him down to a reason......

[BK_2020]

has anyone asked dame why he does not want to be traded to boston i mean really pin him down to a reason......

Still upset about the 2003 AL division series.

[Curmudgeon]

Meh. Who cares what Lillard wants? I don't want him unless Brown is going to Portland.

[GoGreen]

I'm gonna have to take a look at some John Wall film from this past season.

If we are gonna keep JB and not trade him. If we're not gonna get Dame. If we're gonna have 3 high usage, high volume scorers, and none of them have an assist % of 25 or higher...and our highest assist % guy on the team right now is Brogdon, at just 21.5%.

And if we know that the last 13 teams to win the NBA title, all of them had a guy with an assist rate of 30% or higher....

Well, that tells me we need to add another playmaker. And we only have 12 guys currently on a guaranteed contract.

A quick glance at John Wall's stats....
-35% assist rate this past season
-He's played 11 seasons. He's had an assist rate of 35% or higher in EVERY one of those 11 seasons.
-He's had an assist rate of 46% for a full season, 3 different times. He played in 77+ games in each of those 3 seasons.

He might be washed up. But last season (in addition to the 35% assist rate) he also averaged 11 PPG, in 22 MPG.

His job would be pretty simple. Come off the bench for about 20-22 MPG, and be a facilitator, a distributor. Push the pace, bend the defense, drive into the lane and drop dimes EVERYWHERE.

Only 30% from 3 last season. 32% for his career. If you add Wall, you would want to flip Pritchard - he'll throw a hissy fit if we add another guard and bury him in the rotation again.

So, if you sign Wall to the minimum and trade Pritchard, you'd want to add another shooter off the bench. Because not only are you adding a non-shooter (wall) and losing a shooter (Pritchard), but we've also added some other guys off the bench who are suspect shooters (walsh, brissett, banton) and lost a good shooter off the bench (Grant).

The shooter we add, it could be in the same deal where we trade Pritchard. But that might be hard to find the right deal that works for both teams. More likely, we trade Pritchard for a small TPE and/or draft compensation, then sign some free agent who can shoot - preferable with some size as well (like perhaps Terence Davis, or perhaps Dzanan Musa from overseas) or perhaps you swing a separate deal, using the Grant TPE and get saddiq Bey (rumors are saying that we're interested in trading for him).

Or perhaps you flip Brogdon, then sign Wall (so there's less confusion about roles and who THE backup PG is between Wall and Brogdon) and just keep Pritchard as a spark plug, energy shooter off the bench. Defensively though, that could get scary with Wall + Pritchard (or even Brogdon + Pritchard) out there together..and then that also leaves the question, what are you getting in return for Brogdon?

Sadly, Wall couldn't even stay healthy for the Clippers at 22 minutes a game. Taking him down to 15? Ehh... I don't love it.

Trading Brogs for a shooter like say, Powell, straight up and signing Wall is interesting but he's so unreliable, even more so than Malcolm and that's saying something.

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