Miami Heat Offseason Thread 8.0 - 47 cRonin and the inevitable seppuku

[miamiballer]

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Perfect for a team that won’t make the finals tbh

I miss him already

[DusterBuster]

At the rate it's going, nothing's probably getting done til Portland sees what Jovic and Jaquez look like before trade deadline. The dude is signed for 4 years, they're in no rush.

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

[Rapaz]

Bring down the hammer Wilt! It’s needed

The hammer’s coming down on Wilt.

6 more pages before I vaporize another sad little thread.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

someone remind me why Strus is fine at 16m/year all of a sudden.. but Duncan is a horrible contract at 18m/year

either they are both horrible contracts, or this is the new NBA salary chart, and Duncan is an asset, as a 3pt sniper, who has improved and can put the ball on the floor.

[heatlejuice]

someone remind me why Strus is fine at 16m/year all of a sudden.. but Duncan is a horrible contract at 18m/year

either they are both horrible contracts, or this is the new NBA salary chart, and Duncan is an asset, as a 3pt sniper, who has improved and can put the ball on the floor.

Max is a better defender and can take the ball to the rack sometimes. Still way too much for him

[SoFlaKingReal]

At the rate it's going, nothing's probably getting done til Portland sees what Jovic and Jaquez look like before trade deadline. The dude is signed for 4 years, they're in no rush.

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

[heatlejuice]

If you could all just shut the phuck up and stop this stupid back and forth, that’d be great.

I don’t why it seems to be so difficult to stop antagonizing posters and derailing threads with this pointless, immature crap.

Cut it out or we’ll have to step up beyond temporary bans, as those clearly aren’t sending enough of a message.

Mate, i hopped on in peace to read through the forums only to see me mentioned in that twit's post quoted by someone else. Now you can suspend/ban me to set an example, i really don't care if i don't post here ever again But let's see if you don't reply if some twit has you in his reply constantly and that's after he just got back from being suspended & is back calling you a d*ck which you wouldn't have otherwise saw since he's in foes list but can still see posts due to people quoting.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's nice to get attention but i don't want it from twits

Someone keeps instigating and it ain’t you buddy

[DusterBuster]

At the rate it's going, nothing's probably getting done til Portland sees what Jovic and Jaquez look like before trade deadline. The dude is signed for 4 years, they're in no rush.

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Not expecting you all to like that plan lol.

We’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe that’s right and then they just take the bad deal that’s already there. Or maybe Dame opens his list of teams when another team is competing at the deadline where he could be a good fit and he moves off his “only miami” stance (more likely scenario).

[HEATVols865]

So what’s Watchout Twitter or IG?

[SoFlaKingReal]

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Not expecting you all to like that plan lol.

We’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe that’s right and then they just take the bad deal that’s already there. Or maybe Dame opens his list of teams when another team is competing at the deadline where he could be a good fit and he moves off his “only miami” stance (more likely scenario).

I agree Cronin may as well just wait....he's **** either way. He will keep his job longer by kicking the can down the road and trying to convince the owner that a great deal is right around the corner. Of course it isn't, unless Robert Williams is the big fish Portland is holding out for.

[MorbidHEAT]

If you could all just shut the phuck up and stop this stupid back and forth, that’d be great.

I don’t why it seems to be so difficult to stop antagonizing posters and derailing threads with this pointless, immature crap.

Cut it out or we’ll have to step up beyond temporary bans, as those clearly aren’t sending enough of a message.

Lol you guys are a f u cking riot , whats wrong with different opinions, thats the whole purpose of the forums to debate and analayze different ideas, problem always come with somebody tries to uphold their own opinion on a subject, some of them do it passively and some others a little more agressive and all they are doing is killing the debate. Killing the whole purpose of the forum, if you feel like you are bigger than everybody else i recommend to stand infront of a mirror and talk to yourself.

Couldn't agree more. Everybody should be able to have whatever opinion they want and should be able to say it without persecution. Therein lies the problem, not everyone shares that philosophy. Sometimes stones are thrown and then the thrower goes around asking who threw it. I'm all for folks having opinions of any kind whether I agree with their opinion or not.

[DayofMourning]

I truly think Cronin would be cool with paying Dame to be the vet for the next generation on that team. Thats a quality strategy.

I dont think moving their recent picks for vets would have been good value for them.

[DusterBuster]

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Not expecting you all to like that plan lol.

We’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe that’s right and then they just take the bad deal that’s already there. Or maybe Dame opens his list of teams when another team is competing at the deadline where he could be a good fit and he moves off his “only miami” stance (more likely scenario).

I agree Cronin may as well just wait....he's **** either way. He will keep his job longer by kicking the can down the road and trying to convince the owner that a great deal is right around the corner. Of course it isn't, unless Robert Williams is the big fish Portland is holding out for.

Until Jody Allen sells the team, Cronin has total job security. She’s a completely disinterested owner and just gave him the job without even bothering to do a GM search. This Dame situation honestly won’t have any effect on his job security regardless of how he plays it.

One thing is clear, there’s zero obligation to help the Heat for no reason. Just wait it out and see what happens vs rush a bad deal. A bad deal will still be there in 3-4 months just as much as it is now. And again, even if there is no mythical “good deal”, then nothing was made worse by waiting. Only sides that don’t want to play the waiting game are Dame and Miami.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Not expecting you all to like that plan lol.

We’ll just have to wait and see. Maybe that’s right and then they just take the bad deal that’s already there. Or maybe Dame opens his list of teams when another team is competing at the deadline where he could be a good fit and he moves off his “only miami” stance (more likely scenario).

I agree Cronin may as well just wait....he's **** either way. He will keep his job longer by kicking the can down the road and trying to convince the owner that a great deal is right around the corner. Of course it isn't, unless Robert Williams is the big fish Portland is holding out for.

Until Jody Allen sells the team, Cronin has total job security. She’s a completely disinterested owner and just gave him the job without even bothering to do a GM search. This Dame situation honestly won’t have any effect on his job security regardless of how he plays it.

One thing is clear, there’s zero obligation to help the Heat for no reason. Just wait it out and see what happens vs rush a bad deal. A bad deal will still be there in 3-4 months just as much as it is now. And again, even if there is no mythical “good deal”, then nothing was made worse by waiting. Only sides that don’t want to play the waiting game are Dame and Miami.

Yep....**** Dame!

[MorbidHEAT]

At the rate it's going, nothing's probably getting done til Portland sees what Jovic and Jaquez look like before trade deadline. The dude is signed for 4 years, they're in no rush.

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Offers will get worse and worse with every passing day. They botched the handling of his trade request. It was in their best interest to make a quick move instead of delaying it. The second they knew they were going to use the number 3, they should have traded him.

[DusterBuster]

I truly think Cronin would be cool with paying Dame to be the vet for the next generation on that team. Thats a quality strategy.

I dont think moving their recent picks for vets would have been good value for them.

I honestly don’t have a problem with the direction Cronin has picked for the team. He’s made the correct decisions for the long term outlook of the franchise.

My biggest gripe with him is the optics and messaging he’s put out and trying to play the stupid two-timelines game.

Once he saw there was no good deals for a lottery pick for a second straight year, he should have traded Dame during the draft before he even had a chance for Dame to give a list of where he wanted to go and the media getting wind that he was even on the market. He should have ripped the bandaid off and pulled a Danny Ainge.

But now that he’s in this position, his best play is to just wait. Waiting hurts the Heat because they’ve made moves to keep space for Dame and they may have an unhappy roster with guys like Herro never knowing what day they’re getting moved. Dame won’t be happy, but he’s not happy rn anyway and wants a trade, so he can stay home and wait for a deal.

[DusterBuster]

To Cronin’s credit (so far), he seems to be taking a page out of Morey’s playbook. Time is the Blazers only leverage play here and he is under contract. If Lillard’s agent has poisoned the well so badly for a trade where the only offer out there is a bad trade… well that’s going to be there anytime the Blazers want it. The Blazers have no grand plans of contending next season, so Dame sitting out until a trade doesn’t hurt them one bit, just will cost Dame money.

I also still fully don’t believe Dame will sit out like Simmons. I suspect if it goes to where Dame is still on the Blazers during camp, the sides will come together and “make up” so he will play in Portland. I suspect it’ll be closer too a Durant (Brooklyn) or Harden (Houston) situation than it would be Ben Simmons.

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Offers will get worse and worse with every passing day. They botched the handling of his trade request. It was in their best interest to make a quick move instead of delaying it.

For offers to get worse, other teams need to be making offers… which they aren’t thanks to Dame’s agent.

[Flash4thewin]

someone remind me why Strus is fine at 16m/year all of a sudden.. but Duncan is a horrible contract at 18m/year

either they are both horrible contracts, or this is the new NBA salary chart, and Duncan is an asset, as a 3pt sniper, who has improved and can put the ball on the floor.

You bring up a great point Grumpy. Honestly it all comes down to consistency and I guess being healthy. For the past what two year Duncan has been a no show, a shell of what is expected of him. Sure he had an ok post season but he needs to back that up with a full season of play before he can be considered a net neutral salary. Also we are not touching defense here, Strus is not a bad defender when compared to Duncan.

[SoFlaKingReal]

May as well just keep Dame for the next four seasons while you are it....the offers aren't going to get any better.

Offers will get worse and worse with every passing day. They botched the handling of his trade request. It was in their best interest to make a quick move instead of delaying it.

For offers to get worse, other teams need to be making offers… which they aren’t thanks to Dame’s agent.

I'm happy to hear your perspective. What type of offers (players/picks) are Blazers fans hoping for? What team would you love to make a deal with?

Considering Dame's contract and his desire to play for a contender...it seems there are only 4-5 teams in the running at most.

[MorbidHEAT]

someone remind me why Strus is fine at 16m/year all of a sudden.. but Duncan is a horrible contract at 18m/year

either they are both horrible contracts, or this is the new NBA salary chart, and Duncan is an asset, as a 3pt sniper, who has improved and can put the ball on the floor.

You bring up a great point Grumpy. Honestly it all comes down to consistency and I guess being healthy. For the past what two year Duncan has been a no show, a shell of what is expected of him. Sure he had an ok post season but he needs to back that up with a full season of play before he can be considered a net neutral salary. Also we are not touching defense here, Strus is not a bad defender when compared to Duncan.

One could argue that Spo has been in the way of Duncan being productive. As a pure shooter, Duncan has to have some games under him to get some consistency. Spo loves benching him. Go back to game 1 with the Hawks a couple of years ago when he scored like 30 points and only played like 5 minutes in game 2. I'd bet that if Spo had played him for 25 to 30 minutes for 20 straight games (no matter how he plays in those games) and had given him the green light he's always had, he would have been productive.