Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

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Based on my body language expertise, he just looks way more loose than he did in any interview last year. And it looks like some heavy weight has been lifted. He's also just sounding more mature.

Loved hearing from Darko that if we need to take a small step back we'll have to do it to take that bigger step forward. Masai definitely seems to have found a guy who thinks more along his line of thinking

I heard the Darko comment on the broadcast and what he was referring to with Scottie was his development path I think and how he took a small step back last year. So I don’t think he is talking about the Raptors talking a step back this year. Not that I think he opposes that.

yes the "step back" he was referring to was Scottie's relatively disappointing season last year.

[Hackett]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

[DemHeavyHands]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on here

He probably meant to say he rather be there playing than watching it

This is the same guy who told his trainer that he thinks the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic

I’m gonna say Scottie watches enough basketball lol

[Tha Cynic]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

I also don't care to watch basketball after the Raptors are eliminated. I watched this year because Denver is fun to watch, but I typically tune out since it's the same teams every year and I hate watching other teams play after my team has been eliminated. I would rather the players just relax for a bit and then go train. I think you're taking way too much out of this.

[MoMan24]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on here

He probably meant to say he rather be there playing than watching it

This is the same guy who told his trainer that he thinks the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic

I’m gonna say Scottie watches enough basketball lol

The Scottie critiques are getting bizarre. It's basically he doesn't think like me so he is immature or doesn't work hard.

[HiJiNX]

You’d be surprised how many people who play sports seriously don’t obsessively watch the sport they play.

That said, seems like we are just nitpicking Barnes at this point.

[Hackett]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

I also don't care to watch basketball after the Raptors are eliminated. I watched this year because Denver is fun to watch, but I typically tune out since it's the same teams every year and I hate watching other teams play after my team has been eliminated. I would rather the players just relax for a bit and then go train. I think you're taking way too much out of this.

I am not worried about your habits since we do not have you penned in as the cornerstone of this franchise.

You’d be surprised how many people who play sports seriously don’t obsessively watch the sport they play.

That said, seems like we are just nitpicking Barnes at this point.

I am sure there are a lot in both camps, but I imagine that the one's that obsessively watch tend to have a higher IQ and understanding for the game. Guys like Kobe for instance had a much different approach to the game than guys like A.Iverson, yet both had extensive impact on the game if anyone should be lucky to have such names you would not look a gift horse in the mouth. However at the same time, I do notice that guys like Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Kobe, Draymond, Shane Battier, Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick tend to be the ones that see a lot of value in watching other players games and it's no surprise that these players are also posses the highest IQ and leadership qualities.

Since one of the aspects of Scotties game that has me the most excited about is his distribution of the ball. I hope that he sees the benefits of watching as much video as he can of his opponents because there are things he can learn and other players who thrive in these roles say that the habit has been more than beneficial to them.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on here

He probably meant to say he rather be there playing than watching it

This is the same guy who told his trainer that he thinks the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic

I’m gonna say Scottie watches enough basketball lol

I honestly don't know how much Scottie watches video of the game and the importance he places on it, that is why that quote stood out to me as it came directly from him. As for "rather be playing than watching", I hope that is true of every single player on our roster, if it isn't, I don't want them on our team.

This is where his maturity can be assessed, if he told his trainer that he feels the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic, I would hope he does every single thing he can to get that advantage on court. Watching tape is one way to prepare for your opponents. IF he wants to distribute like Jokic, I would recommend watching every single game Jokic has ever played. It's not a tall order, guys like Kobe have watched every single Jordan game, multiple times. Stopping, slowing down, watching re-watching, checking reactions... they don't get tired from it because there are things that can be learnt from the greats in this game.

If Scottie reads this forum, PLEASE WATCH JOKIC games, over and over, it will help trust me. Not just the ones against Toronto, but the ones against other great opponents.

The Scottie critiques are getting bizarre. It's basically he doesn't think like me so he is immature or doesn't work hard.

Really you think it's bizarre for fans to worry about how much prep a player puts into his game?

[Los_29]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on here

He probably meant to say he rather be there playing than watching it

This is the same guy who told his trainer that he thinks the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic

I’m gonna say Scottie watches enough basketball lol

There is a lot of overthinking here. All the Fred stuff was a good example of that. I didn't listen to the interview but I can't imagine a guy like Scottie not watching a lot of basketball. He processes the game well and that to me comes from studying the game.

[tripa]

Yeah I still hope hes constantly watching game tape regardless of that interview

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

You’d be surprised how many people who play sports seriously don’t obsessively watch the sport they play.

That said, seems like we are just nitpicking Barnes at this point.

when I've coached basketball while other scrimmages are occurring some of my boys would be messing around and i had to set them straight and get them to focus on the scrimmages to pay attention to who they're going to be going up against and try to focus on understanding their opponents and their tendencies - look at who you'll be guarding and see if they can drive with both hands, if not force them left or right. can they shoot? play them up close. they can't? sag off. they pump fake a lot? don't leave your feet. just basic stuff.

the lesson is that you can always learn something by paying attention to the game in general and other player tendencies. the better your memory is and the better you are capable of absorbing information the more you can store in your brain that will help you in live situations. always something more you can grasp about how to approach your opponent and that will give you small advantages here and there that add up.

[Raps in 4]

The Scottie critiques are getting bizarre. It's basically he doesn't think like me so he is immature or doesn't work hard.

Really you think it's bizarre for fans to worry about how much prep a player puts into his game?

Yes, when those fans have absolutely zero inside information. We have no idea how much time Scottie is dedicating to training or what kind of training he's doing.

[HiJiNX]

He still seems a little immature to me. I remember seeing an interview with him and the reporter asked if he had a chance to watch the playoff games, and Scottie answered something along the lines of, if its not Raptor related, he is not really interested in watching it.

He gave off the impression that what other teams do, Miami, Philadelphia, does not really interest him. I am not sure if that was just a way of him trying to compliment Toronto or if he was not understanding the implications of the question at hand, but it kind of bothered me and I got the impression that he still has lots of maturing to do.

Take Lowry as an example, he could not go a day without watching at least 3 basketball games, preferably something fresh, but if that was not available he still had to quench that thirst with games from other teams other seasons. He made it sound like an addiction and like he could not go a day without getting his basketball fix.

I got the impression that he had a technical way of viewing it, more along of a mental exercise that would allow him to test his own play calling and counters based on what he saw on screen. Whatever it was, it gave me the impression that this guy had a thirst for this kind of knowledge about the game that would only be useful to someone who actually controlled that rock and had a team to lead. I felt that him watching a game was the equivalent of him doing his mental reps as the execution of both teams unfolded. This is the sort of habit you would expect from a championship point guard, always thirsty for knowledge always wanting to see how others lead and how others counter.

So the comment by Scottie about not finding other teams games interesting rubbed me the wrong way, kind of like he did not realize yet the knowledge that could be gained from watching. I don’t know if this is common amongst rookies, as it seems to me its usually the vets that take the video sessions seriously, but it also may be what separates the wheat from the chaff. Some rookies improve, others never seem to get past a certain ceiling. You may need that hunger, that not everyone with the talent has.

I also don't care to watch basketball after the Raptors are eliminated. I watched this year because Denver is fun to watch, but I typically tune out since it's the same teams every year and I hate watching other teams play after my team has been eliminated. I would rather the players just relax for a bit and then go train. I think you're taking way too much out of this.

I am not worried about your habits since we do not have you penned in as the cornerstone of this franchise.

You’d be surprised how many people who play sports seriously don’t obsessively watch the sport they play.

That said, seems like we are just nitpicking Barnes at this point.

I am sure there are a lot in both camps, but I imagine that the one's that obsessively watch tend to have a higher IQ and understanding for the game. Guys like Kobe for instance had a much different approach to the game than guys like A.Iverson, yet both had extensive impact on the game if anyone should be lucky to have such names you would not look a gift horse in the mouth. However at the same time, I do notice that guys like Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Kobe, Draymond, Shane Battier, Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick tend to be the ones that see a lot of value in watching other players games and it's no surprise that these players are also posses the highest IQ and leadership qualities.

Since one of the aspects of Scotties game that has me the most excited about is his distribution of the ball. I hope that he sees the benefits of watching as much video as he can of his opponents because there are things he can learn and other players who thrive in these roles say that the habit has been more than beneficial to them.

Watch on YouTube

Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on here

He probably meant to say he rather be there playing than watching it

This is the same guy who told his trainer that he thinks the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic

I’m gonna say Scottie watches enough basketball lol

I honestly don't know how much Scottie watches video of the game and the importance he places on it, that is why that quote stood out to me as it came directly from him. As for "rather be playing than watching", I hope that is true of every single player on our roster, if it isn't, I don't want them on our team.

This is where his maturity can be assessed, if he told his trainer that he feels the raps could run the offense thru him like Jokic, I would hope he does every single thing he can to get that advantage on court. Watching tape is one way to prepare for your opponents. IF he wants to distribute like Jokic, I would recommend watching every single game Jokic has ever played. It's not a tall order, guys like Kobe have watched every single Jordan game, multiple times. Stopping, slowing down, watching re-watching, checking reactions... they don't get tired from it because there are things that can be learnt from the greats in this game.

If Scottie reads this forum, PLEASE WATCH JOKIC games, over and over, it will help trust me. Not just the ones against Toronto, but the ones against other great opponents.

The Scottie critiques are getting bizarre. It's basically he doesn't think like me so he is immature or doesn't work hard.

Really you think it's bizarre for fans to worry about how much prep a player puts into his game?

Nice post. Hope to see more of you around here.

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Watch on YouTube

I have high hope for Scottie in 2023/2024.

[Got Nuffin]

Yeah I still hope hes constantly watching game tape regardless of that interview

This is it. Just because a player does not care who wins and loses after they're finished playing doesn't mean that when the time comes for it they're not looking over game tape and breaking down individual plays and how to counter them. IMO you can't have Scottie's court awareness without an inclination to do that.

Pretty sure Steve Nash admitted that he doesn't even like watching full games for fun in general, but he would break down individual plays on tape obsessively and that's how he understands the game.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie needs to be attacking guys off the dribble like this if he wants to be taken seriously as a PG.

[OakleyDokely]

Scottie still hasn't realized that he's huge and co-ordinated and he can literally push around 99% of the league. He should be able to bully his way to most spots on the floor. He shouldn't have to settle for low % shots. He's already efficient around the rim and you can become an all-star just by being super efficient within 3ft of the bucket.

[DreamTeam09]

Scottie needs to be attacking guys off the dribble like this if he wants to be taken seriously as a PG.

If we do start vision 6'9 this year we are going to create so many mismatches & force over rotations. We are gonna generate a lot of "wide open 3s"
I unno how many per game 3s we hit last year but I suspect our %s will be higher next year

[ArthurVandelay]

Scottie needs to be attacking guys off the dribble like this if he wants to be taken seriously as a PG.

Last year was such a wasted season for Scottie. Nurse mocked his desire to play point and Fred wouldn’t play off ball. He has potential.

Hopefully Scottie brings back the confidence, swagger, and, most importantly, joy to his game next year. Get more shooters around him and let him go to work.

[goinrogue]

He had an up-and-down year, but watching Scottie take over in 4th quarters was eye-opening for me. Really interested to see what he can do without the Fred-Pascal pecking order and nick’s ‘vets eat first’ philosophy

[Grandia]

I honestly don't know how much Scottie watches video of the game and the importance he places on it, that is why that quote stood out to me as it came directly from him. As for "rather be playing than watching", I hope that is true of every single player on our roster, if it isn't, I don't want them on our team.

I agree. This is what I hate about Flynn. He is too lazy to care and put effort. He should be removed from the roster.