Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

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I can’t listen to sound at work. But if this is true. Holy crap lol.

I would be losing my mind if JT said this. He might actually get dealt this season.

Embiid has DL been frustrated with Philly for a few years now. It's not too difficult to find old clips of him saying not the greatest stuff about the organization/city. I'm actually surprised he has stuck with it this long. He's one more playoff loss away from asking out and forcing his way to a preferred destination.

[BK_2020]

Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

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I can’t listen to sound at work. But if this is true. Holy crap lol.

I would be losing my mind if JT said this. He might actually get dealt this season.

Embiid has DL been frustrated with Philly for a few years now. It's not too difficult to find old clips of him saying not the greatest stuff about the organization/city. I'm actually surprised he has stuck with it this long. He's one more playoff loss away from asking out and forcing his way to a preferred destination.

He's been upset with them since Jimmy left

[ddb]

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

Jaylen is better than all 3 of those guys you mentioned, even at their peak. Jaylen is in the DMitchell, PG13 range. All three have had great success, but have also chocked in the playoffs, and have been called out because of it. In fact, Jaylen has a better playoff resume than the other two I'm categorizing him with.

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Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

It's harder to compare guys of different eras. If we're talking about right now, these are the guys I'd put in Jaylen's range as being in the same tier, not ranked in any particular order:

-Siakam
-Lavine
-Derozan
-Randle
-Brunson
-Harden
-Markannen
-Jaren Jackson Jr
-Lamelo
-Garland
-Beal
-Paul George (he's obviously better than JB but factoring in age and how he never seems to be healthy anymore..)
-Kyrie (he's obviously better than JB, but factoring n age and how he's insane)
-Jamal Murray
-De'Aaron Fix
-Sabonis
-Ja (he's better than JB but has off court issues)

Ingram and Trae (and some others, like KAT, Mitchell, Zion, Haliburton, Bam) would probably be in a tier slightly ahead of these guys.

Are all of these guys supermax caliber players? Probably not. Where do we draw the line? Right now there's only like 9 guys on a supermax deal.

[zoyathedestroya]

So Clippers and Suns owners have limits with their tax payments too?

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[BK_2020]

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

Jaylen is better than all 3 of those guys you mentioned, even at their peak. Jaylen is in the DMitchell, PG13 range. All three have had great success, but have also chocked in the playoffs, and have been called out because of it. In fact, Jaylen has a better playoff resume than the other two I'm categorizing him with.

That is like, your opinion but when you look at things you can objectively measure--accolades, here--Jaylen is with the Derozan, Randle, Oladipo and Sabonis group. In fact he's on the lower end of that group.

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Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

Except he has a history of being a key player on a team that wins much more than any of those other guys you mentioned.

[BK_2020]

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

Except he has a history of being a key player on a team that wins much more than any of those other guys you mentioned.

Yeah but for 4 years of that history he was the 4th-6th option and for the rest, the 2nd option. Everyone else has been first option for at least the years they won their accolades.
Plus on/off stats and team record with/without Jaylen Brown all indicate that the Celtics' team record is largely independent of Jaylen, in fact that the Celtics perform better with him off the team.

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Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

Jaylen is better than all 3 of those guys you mentioned, even at their peak. Jaylen is in the DMitchell, PG13 range. All three have had great success, but have also chocked in the playoffs, and have been called out because of it. In fact, Jaylen has a better playoff resume than the other two I'm categorizing him with.

That is like, your opinion but when you look at things you can objectively measure--accolades, here--Jaylen is with the Derozan, Randle, Oladipo and Sabonis group. In fact he's on the lower end of that group.

Not going to argue about it. The way I look at it is like this.

Would I trade Jaylen Brown for DDR? No. Would I trade him for Randle or prime Dipo? No and no. Would I trade him for Sabonis? No.

Would I trade him for Mitchell? Maybe. Depends on the day. Would I trade him for PG13? Not anymore.

[ryan in Maine]

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

It's harder to compare guys of different eras. If we're talking about right now, these are the guys I'd put in Jaylen's range as being in the same tier, not ranked in any particular order:

-Siakam
-Lavine
-Derozan
-Randle
-Brunson
-Harden
-Markannen
-Jaren Jackson Jr
-Lamelo
-Garland
-Beal
-Paul George (he's obviously better than JB but factoring in age and how he never seems to be healthy anymore..)
-Kyrie (he's obviously better than JB, but factoring n age and how he's insane)
-Jamal Murray
-De'Aaron Fix
-Sabonis
-Ja (he's better than JB but has off court issues)

Ingram and Trae (and some others, like KAT, Mitchell, Zion, Haliburton, Bam) would probably be in a tier slightly ahead of these guys.

Are all of these guys supermax caliber players? Probably not. Where do we draw the line? Right now there's only like 9 guys on a supermax deal.

Pretzels! Get your fresh hot soft pretzels!

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Stay strong, Joe and Daryl!

[keevsnick1]

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

It's harder to compare guys of different eras. If we're talking about right now, these are the guys I'd put in Jaylen's range as being in the same tier, not ranked in any particular order:

-Siakam
-Lavine
-Derozan
-Randle
-Brunson
-Harden
-Markannen
-Jaren Jackson Jr
-Lamelo
-Garland
-Beal
-Paul George (he's obviously better than JB but factoring in age and how he never seems to be healthy anymore..)
-Kyrie (he's obviously better than JB, but factoring n age and how he's insane)
-Jamal Murray
-De'Aaron Fix
-Sabonis
-Ja (he's better than JB but has off court issues)

Ingram and Trae (and some others, like KAT, Mitchell, Zion, Haliburton, Bam) would probably be in a tier slightly ahead of these guys.

Are all of these guys supermax caliber players? Probably not. Where do we draw the line? Right now there's only like 9 guys on a supermax deal.

This is, too some extent, an impossible task. My generally feeling is that Brown is somewhere in the 20-25 range of NBA players. A guy who will in his prime make all-star more often than not if his team is good, and will be on the very edge of all-nba consideration.

But the truth is every player in the 15-30 range is on a pretty similar level. Right now the ringer for example has Donovan Mitchell at 15, Brown at 22, Siakam at 27 and Haliburton at 32. Is there that much difference between those four guys REALLY. Or anybody in that range. Some people might like Haliburton the best.

Talking in terms of pure accomplishment the sheer depth of current NBA talent makes it hard to judge. A bunch of guys in the 15-30 range mean that all-star appearances and all-nba teams are going to be somewhat diluted for each individual guy.

Probably where NBA rankings are more controversial than ever.

[CelticFaninLBC]

It's definitely not ideal for team building / roster construction to have 2 guys on the same team with a supermax contract - especially with the new CBA.

So pairing Lillard with JT isn't ideal?

[zoyathedestroya]

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Per spotrac, the recent PF FAs that got an AAV above $10M are the following -- Jerami Grant (one of the worst signings this offseason according to some), Draymond, Hachimura (overpaid by own team imo), and Grant (MLE money sounds about right).

[CelticFaninLBC]

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Webber and McGrady are not good comparisons for Jaylen Brown. Webber was on like 4 All-NBA teams by the time he was 27 years old. McGrady had like 7 AS games and 7 All-NBAs by the same.
Derozan is probably close (1 All-NBA and 3 AS). Jaylen is basically in that Derozan, Randle, Oladipo range of players.

It's harder to compare guys of different eras. If we're talking about right now, these are the guys I'd put in Jaylen's range as being in the same tier, not ranked in any particular order:

-Siakam
-Lavine
-Derozan
-Randle
-Brunson
-Harden
-Markannen
-Jaren Jackson Jr
-Lamelo
-Garland
-Beal
-Paul George (he's obviously better than JB but factoring in age and how he never seems to be healthy anymore..)
-Kyrie (he's obviously better than JB, but factoring n age and how he's insane)
-Jamal Murray
-De'Aaron Fix
-Sabonis
-Ja (he's better than JB but has off court issues)

Ingram and Trae (and some others, like KAT, Mitchell, Zion, Haliburton, Bam) would probably be in a tier slightly ahead of these guys.

Are all of these guys supermax caliber players? Probably not. Where do we draw the line? Right now there's only like 9 guys on a supermax deal.

If only 9 guys are on supermax deals, then what's a top 20 guy worth? 33% of the max? 32%? 30%?

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Per spotrac, the recent PF FAs that got an AAV above $10M are the following -- Jerami Grant (one of the worst signings this offseason according to some), Draymond, Hachimura (overpaid by own team imo), and Grant (MLE money sounds about right).

Still waiting for the Clippers to call back on Brogdon so we can work out a 3 team deal for PJ. That would be ideal.

[zoyathedestroya]

In an AI-dominated world, they would just perfect the WIns Added metric and base salary scales on that. Reward the players that impact winning more. But we don't live in that world.

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Per spotrac, the recent PF FAs that got an AAV above $10M are the following -- Jerami Grant (one of the worst signings this offseason according to some), Draymond, Hachimura (overpaid by own team imo), and Grant (MLE money sounds about right).

Still waiting for the Clippers to call back on Brogdon so we can work out a 3 team deal for PJ. That would be ideal.

We'd be hardcapped paying nearly $80M on bigs and without a real backup PG. I don't think that's smart cap management.

[zoyathedestroya]

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