Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

FireMorey · Post #261 » by **FireMorey** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:03 pm

Listening to WIP and hearing "Get rid of this loser, we'll never win with this guy."

You can call Embiid a loser all you want. You know who's an even bigger loser? The Sixers franchise. Embiid hasn't won anything in 7 years. The Sixers haven't won anything in 40.

Embiid or no Embiid, this is a pathetically run organization that can't win no matter who is on the roster.

I hope people don't lose sight of that when they contemplate trading one of the most talented players in franchise history. That it's not a given they'll find a way to construct a winner without him, and given their history, probably the chances are infinitesimal.

And I originally thought it was best to move him, but I changed my mind once I thought about it more.

Arsenal · Post #262 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:11 pm

WIP callers are mouthbreathing neanderthals. The lowest of the low.

Philly's Best · Post #263 » by **Philly's Best** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:18 pm

I'm truly hoping Morey has a plan for Harden and Tobias or this season will be the dumpster fire that it's looking like. I love Embiid but I'm sure there's a bit of truth to the tweet if not just to put pressure on the team. Not looking to trade him because he's a lover as some have stated but because it may be better to tear it down before we're forced to at someone else's price. If Morey doesnt straighten this mess out before the season then I vote tear it down.

FireMorey · Post #264 » by **FireMorey** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:39 pm

It’s nice that the GM continues to spend the off-season with more troll tweets than actual free agent signings.

Read on Twitter

Forget about the fans for a second. For his sake he better have something big on the horizon or he’s gonna become public enemy #1 in this city very quickly.

the_process · Post #265 » by **the_process** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:49 pm

Philly's Best wrote:I'm truly hoping Morey has a plan for Harden and Tobias or this season will be the dumpster fire that it's looking like. I love Embiid but I'm sure there's a bit of truth to the tweet if not just to put pressure on the team. Not looking to trade him because he's a lover as some have stated but because it may be is better to tear it down before we're forced to at someone else's price. If Morey doesnt straighten this mess out before the season then I vote tear it down.

FIFY. Also Morey doesn’t get to make jokes right now. He has done practically nothing for a month. And he still has this unrealistic expectation for a Harden return. And his championship odds equation is straight up awful.

NYSixersFan · Post #266 » by **NYSixersFan** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:50 pm

Morey definitely has a burner account

ProcessDoctor · Post #267 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:51 pm

Lol Michael Levin is so emo though. I agree that Morey should be feeling a lot of pressure right now and seems rather smug. There has to be an actual plan to back the latter part up.

GoSixersBro · Post #268 » by **GoSixersBro** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:55 pm

Mik317 wrote:this past playoffs was the first time I felt like the loss was "mostly" on Jo's play. Even in the series he played poorly prior he at least was a positive (generally on defense)...this recent run it felt like the team got worse at times when he played. The TOs aren't something I worry about as they generally came from him trying to do too much because his co-star was shook or non-existent. We got a 50 piece laid on our heads this past game 7 and he was feebly bricking shots. Thats a bad look and all on him IMO.

Agree. And I think Doc allowing Joel to operate as 7 foot Kobe while 4 guys watched also deserves massive blame.

I was crucified for pointing out how free flowing Harden + Maxey were able to operate in Game 1 versus Boston. We were playing like a whole different team and the Celtics didn't have a defensive answer. They absolutely own the Joel focused offense on D and have for half a decade.

Black Mage · Post #269 » by **Black Mage** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:04 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
sixerguy wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:We all know the history but that’s irrelevant here imo. It’s all about the fact that Embiid clearly folded under pressure & all he’s had to say afterward is “you can’t win a title alone”. He deserves to be roasted for that & he should be embarrassed to say it.

which is why no one wants to play with him. Lillard specifically, replied to the tweet with a "huh?"
Did you see his next comment? Love this board and the Embiid hate.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story though.

Read on Twitter
?t=l8hUio5Ba3CfQ4xy-rq8Ug&s=19

If he loves our roster feel free to include us in your approved City's Dame.

Black Mage · Post #270 » by **Black Mage** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:05 pm

Arsenal wrote:WIP callers are mouthbreathing neanderthals. The lowest of the low.

Sames goes for their on-air talent.

Black Mage · Post #271 » by **Black Mage** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:08 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Lol Michael Levin is so emo though. I agree that Morey should be feeling a lot of pressure right now and seems rather smug. There has to be an actual plan to back the latter part up.

Mike I feel like the optimist of the group. However, every optimist has a limit-break and it's not pretty when they break.

When an optimist limit breaks it means hope has died.

mjkvol · Post #272 » by **mjkvol** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:09 pm

the_process wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Mik317 wrote:we are a level above treadmill but below "real" contenders if that make sense lol.

we can get lucky for once via injury or shooting variance and parlay that into a finals berth. Treadmill teams are just happy to maybe push a first round matchup to 7.

We've won 50+ games often in this era. The Iggy era we capped out at 42 it felt like.
So its not all bad...however if not for past mistakes we should be in true contender status instead of being worried for the fall off. That being said i don't think there is ever more than 2-3 "true" contenders each year... being in the final four of your conference means you are a couple of bounces away generally and as the league seems to be desperate to make sure the KD warriors will never happen again...thats about where you want to be.

our issue is that we lack the resources to make a move if needed which makes it doubly important our best player isn't a sadboi with glass bones lol.

Yeah, I agree - we are what might be referred to as an 'elite treadmill' team. Good enough to get on the doorstep of the conference final but falling short due to bad luck or more often bad play and awful coaching in the biggest spots.

We are always a player or two short at key positions that determine playoff games and depend far too much on players who have never shown the ability to raise their games in the big moments. Hideous management has constantly left us with little real depth, which shows out in playoff series when big contributions from bench players often turn games.

Yes, we are a 50+ win and 'final 8' team almost routinely, which many fans around the league would sign for in a second, but we never take that step up to 'final 4' status due to the continued roster mismanagement and horrible coaching hires. Probably why I'd love to take a step back in 2023, clear the deck and reassess things with a legit coach finally here before jumping back into the fray next summer.

I don't believe Morey will go in that direction, and maybe the results would be more of the same, but it beats banging your head on the wall over and over.

Embiid clearly does not want to do this.

And it would surprise me if he did.

NYSixersFan · Post #273 » by **NYSixersFan** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:20 pm

Why does anyone think Morey has a plan other than trading for Harden?

skywalker33 · Post #274 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:23 pm

So with Embiid's proclamation about wanting to win a Championship....what were his goals in his first SEVEN seasons? And his "or elsewhere" comments, losing faith in PHI or deflecting blame from himself ?

mjkvol · Post #275 » by **mjkvol** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:24 pm

Black Mage wrote:
Arsenal wrote:WIP callers are mouthbreathing neanderthals. The lowest of the low.

Sames goes for their on-air talent.

And also anyone who would spend a minute of their lives listening to that garbage.

GoSixersBro · Post #276 » by **GoSixersBro** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:28 pm

skywalker33 wrote:So with Embiid's proclamation about wanting to win a Championship....what were his goals in his first SEVEN seasons? And his "or elsewhere" comments, losing faith in PHI or deflecting blame from himself ?

I think he genuinely cared more about winning until he entered the Top 5 and Top 3 tiers of NBA players. He was for sure more concerned about the MVP award this past year.

I do believe him that now he cares more about winning. I think not only another embarrassing 2R exit has shifted his focus, but also witnessing Jokic win it all after a large portion of NBA fans think he was the rightful MVP should humble the hell out of him.

As for your second question, it's IMO both.

youngcrev · Post #277 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:35 pm

I don't know why anyone would think winning the MVP and winning a championship are opposing goals.

Post #278 » by **Stanford** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:52 pm

skywalker33 wrote:So with Embiid's proclamation about wanting to win a Championship....what were his goals in his first SEVEN seasons? And his "or elsewhere" comments, losing faith in PHI or deflecting blame from himself ?

lol shut up

AI_Efficiency · Post #279 » by **AI_Efficiency** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:57 pm

It can be true that embiid has underperformed in the playoffs relative to his regular season highs, and also be true that embiid is rightfully annoyed that between Okafor, Simmons, Fultz, losing Butler and now maybe Harden, he hasn’t gotten the help he needs. He may not be the guy that can carry a team in the playoffs, but not many people are. It’s totally fair for him to want someone else to pick up the slack. Especially, when one of those guys (Tobias), actually was making more money than him. Imagine at work if your coworker made more than you and you were still expected to carry the team.

76thBearCub · Post #280 » by **76thBearCub** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:17 pm

Black Mage wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Lol Michael Levin is so emo though. I agree that Morey should be feeling a lot of pressure right now and seems rather smug. There has to be an actual plan to back the latter part up.

Mike I feel like the optimist of the group. However, every optimist has a limit-break and it's not pretty when they break.

When an optimist limit breaks it means hope has died.

Its..It's dead man.