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Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#321 » by Tony Franciosa » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:25 pm

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youngcrev wrote:I don't understand how him winning MVP came at the expense of us winning a championship.


I don't really buy it either. I think you could make a reasonable argument that the way Drew Hanlen has approached his development is better suited for regular season than the playoffs, but I don't think that was intentional.


it seemed to me that by going so hard during the regular season to make his stats MVP-worthy, he didn't have much left in the tank when the playoffs started, also - again - putting him at risk for injury. I'd rather he condition himself better overall, but if he's not going to do that, then he needs to save some of that for the playoffs by pacing himself better during the regular season.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#322 » by the_process » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:27 pm

Not getting any rings with the MVP.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#323 » by Eyeamok » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:58 pm

Maybe Embiid was thinking about the new in season tournament.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#324 » by Mik317 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:04 pm

he got hurt on defense tho.

The "issues" in the playoffs is that we often play a predictable style. Teams don't really have time to scout it out like that and put it to work in the regular season...they do in the playoffs. The whole year we ate off of the simple ass PNR behind the back pass to Biid at the nail. There were no wrinkles on that play. I am no basketball genius but I already knew how it would go... teams would dare Harden to drive or take the middy..the former he couldn't make layups and the latter he didn't want to do as often. The times the pass got to Biid, the Celtics would either swarm him or due to the double big the threat of the drive wasn't as scary (Biid playing like a hoe did not help mind you) and Horford, the bitch he is, is smart enough to time his contests and with a gimpy Biid he got even less lift and thus owned via blocks a few times which further through off his rhythm. Thats the schematic reason why we loss IMO.

The team cannot rely on one play to be the whole offense, they cannot rely on their 7ft center to get iso buckets with no movement off ball thus making it so teams can just swarm him as his handle is often sloppy and his passing is often a beat too late, there needs to be variety and even if Biid "has" to be involved in that variety..it cannot be as predictable as it has been...even if that is what Biid wants...he loss that privilege lol.

Too often this franchise has over done their approach..be it Brett's DHO fetish, Doc's iso fetish, Post up Fetish, PNR fetish. There needs to be an actual game plan with moving parts.

One thing that also needs to die is those possessions with Biid at the top of the key as the offense hub...enough of that lol.

Things suck right now but I don't think they are unfixable regarding Biid. He might be sawft. He may have loser energy. He may not have dat dawg in him. He is however supremely talented and I think you can build a system that not only gets him to the playoffs healthy, but one that makes it difficult for teams to just take him out via gameplans. The final two teams had systems in which they made it very hard to take away everything. To beat the Heat the plan is obviously to just stop Jimmy... that became harder when Jimmy wasn't always on ball, they had creators at every spot. Shooters (albeit ones probably shooting above their talent IMO) that could shoot stand still, off the bounce, and one the move. They even had Bam bringing the ball up. That made it hard for the double big to work. It made it hard for them to just stick their best defenders on Jimmy. Then you have the Nuggets, in which the best plan of action was to just let Jokic eat...but thats hard to do because of their movement, their secondary creators, and their shooting. Too often the gameplan against us is the Nick Nurse special, "he's good at basketball...go get him". And that works because the team just stands there and hope Biid keeps making those tough contested shots. Again this does not absolve Biid of his hoery lol. But I think only like Primer Jordan would be able to constantly thrive in such a spot...even then idk. This does not even take into consideration the fact that Biid is also the guy who has to put out fires on the other end too.

I just think the approach we have had has been too rigid. This is from top down too. The FO babied Ben AND Biid for too long and never brought in guys who forced them out of their comfort zones..and when they did..the FO got shook and let him walk. the coaches have been to stubborn to ever try new ****. And the players only want to play a certain way or else they might get their fee fees hurt. Ideally Nurse being a maniac fixes the coaching aspect. Darryl is too bust trolling for likes on twitter and the fact that Biid said he was working on his ball handling doesn't fill me with confidence he gets it either...but still.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#325 » by Stanford » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:22 pm

Tony Franciosa wrote:it seemed to me that by going so hard during the regular season to make his stats MVP-worthy, he didn't have much left in the tank when the playoffs started


That makes sense. I think he did pace himself in the regular season though, on defense and in the post. He took a ton of games off defensively, didnt fight for rebounds, and relied on mid range stuff to get his points. Point is, he could have gone a lot harder than he did.
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Post#326 » by FireMorey » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:55 pm

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Post#327 » by sixers4real » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:11 pm

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Very Simmons type ish flashbacks. I like it.

I loved the way Morey handled and turned Simmons into Harden (please stop all of the Halliburton talk RN. We don’t even know if that was possible)
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#328 » by Mik317 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:20 pm

Darryl is a snake oil salesman

...but i might be buying...because I am a bitch
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Post#329 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:23 pm

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#330 » by Stanford » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:25 pm

Either way, it's nice to see executives not caving to these demands because players asked them to.
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Post#331 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:43 pm

In Morey we trust I guess.

Wonder if it's for LaVine, Jaylen Brown or PG?
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Post#332 » by M2J » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Harden has very little leverage here. Sixers would prefer to hand the reigns to Maxey anyways which is in part why Harden opted in. He wasn't sure they'd give him a new deal, nor any other team and that was after a good year from him.

They're set up with cap space next year to potentially use assets to take in a star (possibly via trade or maybe Pascal in free agency) or add quality depth to Joel and Maxey and still keep Tobi for less.

Harden could act out and effectively end his career as a highly paid player. Someone would take a flyer out on him if he's picked up next year, but not spend a lot. Morey could continue to short term max him if James learns to be a team player and play off the ball more and still produce. James best way to get what he wants is to stop crying, come in and ball and show a team he can put them over the top.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#333 » by FireMorey » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:44 pm

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These quotes kinda contradict themselves a bit.

He also said sometimes to win long term, you need to suffer short term.

Definitely starting to sound like next season is a pause year.
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Post#334 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:45 pm

Of the players everyone has thrown around so far, the only one I'd be interested in is Jaylen Brown.
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Post#335 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:45 pm

Daryl Morey on what the perfect player next to Joel Embiid would look like:

“A wing who can play both on and off the ball.”

I think he is asking Paul George in return or he is describing we dont have to trade Harden because we have Tobias Harris 8-)
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#336 » by Mik317 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:47 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Of the players everyone has thrown around so far, the only one I'd be interested in is Jaylen Brown.


I think if Boston doesn't supermax him they will send him out west
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#337 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:48 pm

Daryl Morey just said that he pushed hard to trade for guys like Tyrese Halliburton in 2022, but that deal was “never available.”

Morey says that the Harden deal was the “only one available.”
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Post#338 » by the_process » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:57 pm

76ciology wrote:Daryl Morey just said that he pushed hard to trade for guys like Tyrese Halliburton in 2022, but that deal was “never available.”

Morey says that the Harden deal was the “only one available.”


I don't buy that at all. Harden is the only guy Morey wanted.

If he really just said that, that is revisionist history and Daryl actually admitting buyers remorse.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#339 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:58 pm

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#340 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:58 pm

76ciology wrote:Daryl Morey just said that he pushed hard to trade for guys like Tyrese Halliburton in 2022, but that deal was “never available.”

Morey says that the Harden deal was the “only one available.”
I don't believe that. Covering his ass.

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