MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:basketballRob wrote:The Magic aren't trading Suggs. That's ridiculous.
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Magic never trade anybody until it's proven that player no longer belongs in any team's active rotation or player(s) tolds media he is done with a team.
Suggs value won't raise with him playing wrong position and benig bench player either. Just like Wiseman, Monk, Kuminga , Toppin and others didn't raise their value being bench players either.
And Magic will continue to be without starting quality SG.
And we will continue to suffer in W-L column because we are treating SG spot as dumping- bodies- shallow grave.
I'm not suggesting dumping him asap, but question needs to be asked : what's Suggs future with Magic?
Does he view himself as backup SG for rest of his Magic days ? Why would he want to play SG in first place?
And it's not like Magic have any reasons to keep him. They have Fultz, Cole and Black all wanting to play PG.
You do know players can hold value in other roles outside of being a traditional starting point guard or shooting guard right?
A few things here…
Suggs is going into year 3 with an upward trajectory on his shooting. We haven’t seen the finished project. This isn’t his year 7 of being in the league.
It depends on what we are talking about with player skill sets in relation to cost/benefit analysis. Do you want to pay Jordan Poole $28m/4 because he can shoot and play non existent defense, or even Trae Young $40m/4 for a heightened version of the same thing? Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on what the rest of your team looks like. Is Franz and Paolo good enough defensively that Orlando doesn’t benefit from a player like Suggs?
Jalen could progress to the starting SG, or maybe he ends up backing up Jett. The bottom line is that Orlando lacks toughness on defense. The Magic lacked variability on that side of the court for the last decade. Playoff teams need players like that.
I don’t disagree with your assessment that the FO holds onto players until they are expired milk as assets. It’s just not the case with Suggs 3 years into his career on a rookie deal. We can talk after he signs his extension about weighing the options should he not progress.
I don’t get why people are quick to pull the trigger on guys with deals like these. If we are talking about potentially $20m+ 1-2 years from now I’ll start listening to serious arguments. There isn’t one to be made right now otherwise. Gary Harris is invisible on the court 90% of the time and Jett Howard hasn’t logged a single minute after being a reach pick. The alternatives are trade ideas people are coming up with in 2k.
You do know players can hold value in other roles outside of being a traditional starting point guard or shooting guard right?
When you are 6'3 -200 pounds person with 6'5 wingspan in NBA, only position you can play is PG and SG.Roles such player can provide are: ballhandler, off ball shooter. Pretty much that's it.
Suggs is going into year 3 with an upward trajectory on his shooting. We haven’t seen the finished project. This isn’t his year 7 of being in the league.
Based on what?
College 33,7% for 3 - 75% FTs
Rookie 21% for 3 - 77% FTs
Sophmore 32,7% for 3 and 72% FTs
College and Sophmore season pretty much mirror themselfs, and one outliner happends to be one of worst shooting performances even for a rookie, in very long time.
It depends on what the rest of your team looks like. Is Franz and Paolo good enough defensively that Orlando doesn’t benefit from a player like Suggs?
And turnover prone, bad decision maker, below average shooter, unnatural SG sounds like pefect fit just because he tries hard on defense during period of season nobody esle does?
Jalen could progress to the starting SG, or maybe he ends up backing up Jett.
When did we established Jett as SG? Based on fact that he couldn't guard SGs in college or during SL garbage league ?
I'm willing to bet my house on notion that Jett can't move his feet fast enough to guard guards in nba.
It’s just not the case with Suggs 3 years into his career on a rookie deal. We can talk after he signs his extension about weighing the options should he not progress.
This is garbage argument and you know it. You know player loses value as soon as new contract is signed, your upper examples of Poole and Trae Young prove that. Suggs is way more valuable with just 2 injury prone seasons as trade asset than with 4 ( potentially injury prone) mediocre seasons and making twice or three times more money. All that while being 2 yeras older.
I don’t get why people are quick to pull the trigger on guys with deals like these. If we are talking about potentially $20m+ 1-2 years from now I’ll start listening to serious arguments. There isn’t one to be made right now otherwise. Gary Harris is invisible on the court 90% of the time and Jett Howard hasn’t logged a single minute after being a reach pick. The alternatives are trade ideas people are coming up with in 2k
You realize that difference between Suggs last year, and Gary Harris year prior is almost non existent in terms of production?
Difference between them comes from fact that even in year where Harris shot better and scored more points, he still had lower usage rate.
And in 2022-23, Harris usage rate dropped to 12% where Suggs still has near 21% usage rate. And despite all that he only averages 1,6 ppg more DESPITE SHOOTING TWO SHOTS A GAME MORE?Jalen Suggs in starting 5 will just be 5th option and average even less shots, if he shares floor with established group of Fultz, Wendell, Franz and Bacnhero. We can assume Banchero will actually average even more shots, so will Franz. So even if you decide to cream Suggs into that group, he will hardly ever touch ball, because there simply won't be enough balls for everybody to shoot.
Only arguments for Suggs as starting SG are non-logical and subjective.
I like him because he is 5th overall pick and i prefer 5th overall pick to start over Gary Harris because Raptors fans troll me on reddit. That sort of BS. There is zero reasons why would Magic terrible spaced 5 replace elite shooter with below average who also happends to be turnover machine and pretty much basketball dummy in terms of decision making.
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