Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly; Wants to Play for the Clippers

[docholliday99]

How much can Philly ask for a guy who can't sign an extension and they didn't want to pay themselves.

He would be absolutely perfect for the Raptors but just can't see it happening.

Would you actually trade anything of value for a true, 1 year rental? Not disagreeing, just curious. Would make Drake night interesting as they go clubbing afterwards.

[Ballerhogger]

How much can Philly ask for a guy who can't sign an extension and they didn't want to pay themselves.

He would be absolutely perfect for the Raptors but just can't see it happening.

Would you actually trade anything of value for a true, 1 year rental? Not disagreeing, just curious. Would make Drake night interesting as they go clubbing afterwards.

Not for harden . He’s not the missing piece

[Tor_Raps]

How much can Philly ask for a guy who can't sign an extension and they didn't want to pay themselves.

He would be absolutely perfect for the Raptors but just can't see it happening.

Would you actually trade anything of value for a true, 1 year rental? Not disagreeing, just curious. Would make Drake night interesting as they go clubbing afterwards.

Not for harden . He’s not the missing piece

What could the Sixers even want considering they only want expiring contracts back.

Giving up OG or Siakam isn't worth it for a 1 year rental. They can have Trent, Precious, Thad, Flynn and a pick. Not a great offer but it is what it is lol.

[Lalouie]

these players always get what they want.

if i'm the clips,,,,it's toooo much of a hassle for someone past his prime

harden literally finished the last two seasons doing nothing for two potential contenders in a weaker conference, but give them heart palpitations

there is a greater risk that none of kawhi/pg/harden ever makes it to the end of the season for the clips to take the risk

i'll bet every single media/alking head is finding smarty pants excuses why this would work. what the clips SHOULD do is do like you do when you read amazon reviews - read the 1* reviews

[One Last Shot]

So this is how karma works in NBA. Harden overestimated himself thinking any team will pay him max money anytime and now his forcing himself to teams who doesn't even want him like all those rumors of Houston reunion fabricated by his camp. KD and Dame is the smartest dude out there. Secure their max money first before acting like a diva. On second thought, Bradley Beal is the smartest with his no-trade clause.

[Clemenza]

Keep him off the Clipps. Stay in Philly

[___Rand___]

Lowe on CBA relating to Harden situation:

A separate clause in the CBA -- which existed in prior versions of the agreement -- holds that any player who "withholds playing services for more than 30 days after the start of the last season covered by his contract" could be deemed to have violated his contract and prohibited from entering free agency or signing with "any other professional basketball team unless and until the team with which the player last played expressly agrees otherwise."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38038334/nets-ben-simmons-credited-year-service-holdout-season-76ers

[CelticsFTW]

Lowe on CBA relating to Harden situation:

A separate clause in the CBA -- which existed in prior versions of the agreement -- holds that any player who "withholds playing services for more than 30 days after the start of the last season covered by his contract" could be deemed to have violated his contract and prohibited from entering free agency or signing with "any other professional basketball team unless and until the team with which the player last played expressly agrees otherwise."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38038334/nets-ben-simmons-credited-year-service-holdout-season-76ers

That is really interesting. So theoretically, if Lillard or Harden would sit out at the beginning of next season, 76ers or Portland could just forbid them to play with another team?

[Heat3]

Lowe on CBA relating to Harden situation:

A separate clause in the CBA -- which existed in prior versions of the agreement -- holds that any player who "withholds playing services for more than 30 days after the start of the last season covered by his contract" could be deemed to have violated his contract and prohibited from entering free agency or signing with "any other professional basketball team unless and until the team with which the player last played expressly agrees otherwise."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38038334/nets-ben-simmons-credited-year-service-holdout-season-76ers

That is really interesting. So theoretically, if Lillard or Harden would sit out at the beginning of next season, 76ers or Portland could just forbid them to play with another team?

It only applies for free agents. So if Harden is a free agent next year then it applies to him. Lillard is not a free agent anytime soon. If he sits out for four years then yeah but no one will want him then anyway.

[ocelot17]

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[longtallbrad]

So Philly would be the third team in a row he's basically quit on. Not a great look. Any team that brings him on should understand that they're only getting a real effort from him so long as they are credibly contending for a title and no one is ruffling his feathers by challenging what he wants to do on the court.

[M2J]

It benefits both Harden and Philly for him to start the season and play great with them. A pissing contest hurts him enormously at his age.

But I hope for Philly that they get rid of him this week

[Effigy]

Keep him off the Clipps. Stay in Philly

I don't understand this mindset at all. You guys are all in on your current team with no draft picks. Why not take him if you can?

[___Rand___]

Lowe on CBA relating to Harden situation:




https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38038334/nets-ben-simmons-credited-year-service-holdout-season-76ers

That is really interesting. So theoretically, if Lillard or Harden would sit out at the beginning of next season, 76ers or Portland could just forbid them to play with another team?

It only applies for free agents. So if Harden is a free agent next year then it applies to him. Lillard is not a free agent anytime soon. If he sits out for four years then yeah but no one will want him then anyway.

What Heat says. Lillard is under contract for 4 years so he can't wait 4 years out and even when he does he still owes Portland for the duration of contract. But if Harden thinks he can sit this year out and be FA after the year, NBA will say hold on, Sixers have a say.

My basic understanding of contract law is if you've signed for a year of service but you didn't perform, you still owe that service for that contract if it wasn't performed. It's a legal contract. The team can take a player to court beyond the NBA I would think.

[dsg2003mach1]

The team can take a player to court beyond the NBA I would think.

I would put money on it the nba contracts have arbitration through the league/player's union as sole remedy

[Wammy Giveaway]

I don't understand this mindset at all. You guys are all in on your current team with no draft picks. Why not take him if you can?

The thinking is that a True Big 3 tarnishes the way the Clippers want to win, akin to cheating the system. Two superstars is enough, they want to play fair when the rest of the league is miles ahead of them. They care too much about role players because, in the dark days of the Clipper era (we're talking the Donald Sterling era, and before the vetoed trade), they only had role players who were asked to do more than what they're capable of - some of them became All-Star Wonders like Chris Kaman in 2010. And then there's the homegrown factor where the team wants to win with one of their draft picks being a heavy contributor to their title run, when history shows us that trading away draft picks increases their title chances - this is why they don't want to trade Terance Mann.

In a way, Clippers are trying to play by the rules as dictated by history, going directly by the book. They seem reluctant to make their own rules, for they fear of desecrating the spirit of fair play. They need to learn from their 2021 playoff run where they made the conference finals by being the first team in NBA history to come back from down 2-0 twice in a playoff series, but that was motivated by the fear of being down 3-0 where no team has ever come back from in a playoff series and would have cost them everything - I'm talking back in the lottery everything here.

Real title contenders face their fears and conquer them. Clippers, on the other hand, welcome fear.

[Whole Truth]

lol, I can't wait till the 15th man on the roster starts making demands for making millions while sitting on a bench.

If nothing else, it will be entertaining.

[Whole Truth]

Do the Clippers even want Harden ? He's on a noticeable decline & has jumped 3 unsuccessful situations that should have been more successful than they were.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Do the Clippers even want Harden ? He's on a noticeable decline & has jumped 3 unsuccessful situations that should have been more successful than they were.

I think they do as long as the price isn't too steep- like Powell, Morris, and Covington. I'd be reluctant to part with younger players like Mann, Hyland, and Brown. Harden could definitely help them in terms of facilitating and he can still score. However, his age and lack of fitness are a concern. He now struggles to beat his man off the dribble.

[Whole Truth]

Do the Clippers even want Harden ? He's on a noticeable decline & has jumped 3 unsuccessful situations that should have been more successful than they were.

I think they do as long as the price isn't too steep- like Powell, Morris, and Covington. I'd be reluctant to part with younger players like Mann, Hyland, and Brown. Harden could definitely help them in terms of facilitating and he can still score. However, his age and lack of fitness are a concern. He now struggles to beat his man off the dribble.

How do you see/project his game/skillset fitting with PG & Kawhi ?

Will he be a complimentary piece/role player/off ball shooter or is he going to spend a good amount of time on ball ?