Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

Arsenal · Post #641 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:12 pm

I agree Siakam is a good fit. He can share the ballhandling and distributing duties with Maxey in a modern motion offense. Plus what he brings on D. His only negative is he's not a great 3PT shooter, but good enough assuming everyone else on the court can shoot.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #642 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:55 pm

Didn't Siakam say or it's been said from multiple sources not to pursue him because he will be a rental lol I don't understand

Embiid P · Post #643 » by **Embiid P** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:26 am

Congrats to our big guy!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/joel-embiid-marries-sports-illustrated-model-anne-de-paula-in-hamptons-ceremony/ar-AA1edIZe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=aba7c38095324b7e9b2b31dcf7268c28&ei=12

Sportfan73 · Post #644 » by **Sportfan73** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:42 am

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Didn't Siakam say or it's been said from multiple sources not to pursue him because he will be a rental lol I don't understand

If he’s saying that there’s got to be some team that he WOULDNT be a rental to. Who’s to say it isn’t us

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #645 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:29 am

Pascal Siakam is a rare type of player. He's basically the closest thing to Giannis in the league. Very similar styles, he can hit a three if left open. Problem is he occupies the same space as Embiid. Can it work between the two of them? I'd like to think it can. Defensively we'd be Hell for other teams trying to score on us. Offensively it'd be more challenging, but I think it would allow Embiid to operate further out towards the free throw line extended and that is where he's absolutely automatic. Siakam attacking would put put a ton of pressure on a defense which would allow for more 1v1 situations. At that point, opposing defenses would be forced to pick their poison by either leaving Embiid and doubling Siakam, OR doubling Siakam and leaving Embiid. You add Maxey doing his thing in the perimeter and I think it would work. Siakam is absolutely a player worth pursuing and if he's the goal for 2024, then Morey would have my full endorsement.

76ciology · Post #646 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:55 am

The route to Siakam is Clips opt to give us 2 first rounders and 1-2 pick swaps along with Mann, Powell and etc where we ship that package to the Raptors. That’s sort of what Morey said.. if we’re not getting a star then we might as well get assets that can get us a star.

And thats where we at right now IMO.

Maybe Siakam wants to play with us thats why he can’t commit an extension for the Raps or Hawks eh?

76ciology · Post #647 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:00 am

Kobblehead wrote:The play here is not to no-sell Terance Mann in reciprocation, though.

Mann is a phenomenal role player. He's an efficiency god with tremendous size and strength on the wing. He can shoot and pass and is athletic. He's basically a bigger, stronger Bruce Brown.

Terance Mann, Kenyon Martin, Norman Powell, rights to Kobe Brown >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul George in terms of a return.

I'd take great role players over crappy stars all day.

youngcrev wrote:Even if we could somehow get Paul George, people would freak the **** out when he signs his massive extension that runs until he's like 38. Which is part of why I've changed my tune on Siakam. At least on his next deal you'll be getting prime years rather than declining player.

Yes to both, and thats why PG should be in the cards.

What good is a big 3 if you lose all that depth and picks? There’s more balance if they just give us PG for Harden, not just in winning short term or roster construction but also in the long term.

What if they trade us 2 first rounders and a pick swap then all of their guys walk away? Its also very likely that Kawhi, Paul George and Harden wont be nearly as good as they are by 2027,2028,2029 or 2030

2027
Kawhi 33
Paul George 34
Harden 36

Atleast trade PG for Harden so you can end this kawhi era exploring with everything you got while also giving you a lifeboat you can reset with if it fails this offseason.

Kobblehead · Post #648 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:48 am

I wouldn't mind Siakam and Derozan as 1 year rentals.

I have no interest in extending Siakam to a deal north of $40m+ though. He would have to be willing to sign a Jerami Grant deal for me to keep him beyond the 1 year.

If we get a good playoff performance out of DeRozan (unlikely), you can probably get him on a 2 year $60m total contract to end his career here.

kriss73 · Post #649 » by **kriss73** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:46 pm

Embiid P wrote:Congrats to our big guy!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/joel-embiid-marries-sports-illustrated-model-anne-de-paula-in-hamptons-ceremony/ar-AA1edIZe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=aba7c38095324b7e9b2b31dcf7268c28&ei=12

I hope this won't be his last ring in Philly.

youngcrev · Post #650 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:38 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I wouldn't mind Siakam and Derozan as 1 year rentals.

I have no interest in extending Siakam to a deal north of $40m+ though. He would have to be willing to sign a Jerami Grant deal for me to keep him beyond the 1 year.

If we get a good playoff performance out of DeRozan (unlikely), you can probably get him on a 2 year $60m total contract to end his career here.

You'd trade for Siakam (giving up assets since he's more valuable than Harden) so that you can let him walk and then do what?

FireMorey · Post #651 » by **FireMorey** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:39 pm

I think there's a non zero chance their offseason is over and this is the roster on opening day.

Kobblehead · Post #652 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:27 pm

youngcrev wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I wouldn't mind Siakam and Derozan as 1 year rentals.

I have no interest in extending Siakam to a deal north of $40m+ though. He would have to be willing to sign a Jerami Grant deal for me to keep him beyond the 1 year.

If we get a good playoff performance out of DeRozan (unlikely), you can probably get him on a 2 year $60m total contract to end his career here.

You'd trade for Siakam (giving up assets since he's more valuable than Harden) so that you can let him walk and then do what?

I'm not attaching any assets in the Harden trade. I'm purely operating under the assumption that either Derozan or Siakam happen to fall in our laps in the Harden exit trade.

But yeah, if Siakam is demanding a contract north of $10m more than what he's worth, I'm letting him walk. I'd easily rather have two guys making $20m+ like Bruce Brown, Cam Johnson, Rui Hachimura types than to have 1 guy like him making $40m+.

Kobblehead · Post #653 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:34 pm

Top heavy stuff is dead. The new wave is having depth behind your star.

eyeatoma · Post #654 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Top heavy stuff is dead. The new wave is having depth behind your star.

Tell that to Daryl.

the_process · Post #655 » by **the_process** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Top heavy stuff is dead. The new wave is having depth behind your star.

Except we all know Morey does not think that way.

youngcrev · Post #656 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:23 pm

You still need 1 or 2 all star caliber guys to go with your superstar. You can always find Bruce Brown/Rui caliber players. You don't want to be the one that actually pays them.

Slacktard · Post #657 » by **Slacktard** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:23 pm

kriss73 wrote:
Embiid P wrote:Congrats to our big guy!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/joel-embiid-marries-sports-illustrated-model-anne-de-paula-in-hamptons-ceremony/ar-AA1edIZe?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=aba7c38095324b7e9b2b31dcf7268c28&ei=12

I hope this won't be his last ring in Philly.

I'm sure if he's in Philly for most of the rest of his career there will be another ring.

Spoiler:

mjkvol · Post #658 » by **mjkvol** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:36 pm

youngcrev wrote:You still need 1 or 2 all star caliber guys to go with your superstar. You can always find Bruce Brown/Rui caliber players. You don't want to be the one that actually pays them.

Siakam is a glorified role player more than a star. I like him as a player, but would never pay what is considered 'star money' to keep him beyond this season.

youngcrev · Post #659 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:50 pm

mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:You still need 1 or 2 all star caliber guys to go with your superstar. You can always find Bruce Brown/Rui caliber players. You don't want to be the one that actually pays them.

Siakam is a glorified role player more than a star. I like him as a player, but would never pay what is considered 'star money' to keep him beyond this season.

He's an all star caliber, top-30ish player in the league. He'll be a positive trade asset on whatever his next deal looks like (provided he doesn't make an All NBA team and get really stupid money like Jaylen Brown is about to get). You can afford him, Embiid and Maxey while still being able to pay your 4th-8th guys.

mjkvol · Post #660 » by **mjkvol** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:59 pm

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:You still need 1 or 2 all star caliber guys to go with your superstar. You can always find Bruce Brown/Rui caliber players. You don't want to be the one that actually pays them.

Siakam is a glorified role player more than a star. I like him as a player, but would never pay what is considered 'star money' to keep him beyond this season.

He's an all star caliber, top-30ish player in the league. He'll be a positive trade asset on whatever his next deal looks like (provided he doesn't make an All NBA team and get really stupid money like Jaylen Brown is about to get). You can afford him, Embiid and Maxey while still being able to pay your 4th-8th guys.

Can't really argue with that. If in fact he was able to be signed to a reasonable deal (a scenario I don't foresee), it does make a lot of sense.