2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

[bwgood77]

Why are we doing this

Christ almighty! The whining never ends. Lets see what he does this year. Hopefully he improves back to form on D, even top 10 C would be nice for me. Double doubles with efficiency. I would rather they go to him when he's open but even if he is 10/10 with great D that would be good. Hopefully his shooting gets back to where it was 2 years ago but it should improve from last year, and defense too even without the coach change a consistent lineup helps (though CP3 and Jae helped our defensive with communication)...it will be harder to have an overall good D with Beal/Book/old man KD, but at least Book has improved and KD is a pretty solid defender and our SF/PF (depending on what KD plays) should be a solid defender.

I'd prefer Ayton maybe get about 10 shots, and more when we are missing a star, and avg the 14 or so on 10 shots which would be close to 70% shooting. But even 60% shooting, 10+ boards and 14 is nice to me..that's what he did in 20-21. Maybe closer to 11 boards if he is closer to 35 mpg.

But if he does get he 10/10 surely there will be complaining about that, even with good D. Our D could rank higher with our bench in too, especially if Yuta starts, simply because Okogie, KBD and Goodwin are guarding bench units, but that stat alone is taken without context a lot.

Theres really no1 else to talk about on this team besides Ayton... And he gave us another reason to talk about him....

Obviously we will talk more about the other players once the season starts up. We have to watch them play...

Everyone on this team is pretty much new besides Ayton and Booker. And Booker is the face of the franchise...

its not suprising Ayton is the only thing being talked about right now. And hes definitely under a microscope next season too.

Im surprised people are shocked that the biggest x-factor and ??? on this team is being talked about.

Maybe people get tired of it but theres really nothing else to talk about.

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

[SlovenianDragon]

Christ almighty! The whining never ends. Lets see what he does this year. Hopefully he improves back to form on D, even top 10 C would be nice for me. Double doubles with efficiency. I would rather they go to him when he's open but even if he is 10/10 with great D that would be good. Hopefully his shooting gets back to where it was 2 years ago but it should improve from last year, and defense too even without the coach change a consistent lineup helps (though CP3 and Jae helped our defensive with communication)...it will be harder to have an overall good D with Beal/Book/old man KD, but at least Book has improved and KD is a pretty solid defender and our SF/PF (depending on what KD plays) should be a solid defender.

I'd prefer Ayton maybe get about 10 shots, and more when we are missing a star, and avg the 14 or so on 10 shots which would be close to 70% shooting. But even 60% shooting, 10+ boards and 14 is nice to me..that's what he did in 20-21. Maybe closer to 11 boards if he is closer to 35 mpg.

But if he does get he 10/10 surely there will be complaining about that, even with good D. Our D could rank higher with our bench in too, especially if Yuta starts, simply because Okogie, KBD and Goodwin are guarding bench units, but that stat alone is taken without context a lot.

Theres really no1 else to talk about on this team besides Ayton... And he gave us another reason to talk about him....

Obviously we will talk more about the other players once the season starts up. We have to watch them play...

Everyone on this team is pretty much new besides Ayton and Booker. And Booker is the face of the franchise...

its not suprising Ayton is the only thing being talked about right now. And hes definitely under a microscope next season too.

Im surprised people are shocked that the biggest x-factor and ??? on this team is being talked about.

Maybe people get tired of it but theres really nothing else to talk about.

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Theres not alot to talk about the new players...Highlight videos mean nothing... We have to see them play... Unless you want to go back in the past and watch every game beal or others have ever played...How much time u got? Opinions are formed by watching guys play. We have seen alot of Ayton and not the other guys...

Also interesting you dont think Ayton matters to this team....I think everyone on this roster matters and is the difference between winning a chip and not....

[Mulhollanddrive]

Marc Stein says we're still interested in McConnell

Can't really see how we'd get him

[Jdiddy701]

Christ almighty! The whining never ends. Lets see what he does this year. Hopefully he improves back to form on D, even top 10 C would be nice for me. Double doubles with efficiency. I would rather they go to him when he's open but even if he is 10/10 with great D that would be good. Hopefully his shooting gets back to where it was 2 years ago but it should improve from last year, and defense too even without the coach change a consistent lineup helps (though CP3 and Jae helped our defensive with communication)...it will be harder to have an overall good D with Beal/Book/old man KD, but at least Book has improved and KD is a pretty solid defender and our SF/PF (depending on what KD plays) should be a solid defender.

I'd prefer Ayton maybe get about 10 shots, and more when we are missing a star, and avg the 14 or so on 10 shots which would be close to 70% shooting. But even 60% shooting, 10+ boards and 14 is nice to me..that's what he did in 20-21. Maybe closer to 11 boards if he is closer to 35 mpg.

But if he does get he 10/10 surely there will be complaining about that, even with good D. Our D could rank higher with our bench in too, especially if Yuta starts, simply because Okogie, KBD and Goodwin are guarding bench units, but that stat alone is taken without context a lot.

Theres really no1 else to talk about on this team besides Ayton... And he gave us another reason to talk about him....

Obviously we will talk more about the other players once the season starts up. We have to watch them play...

Everyone on this team is pretty much new besides Ayton and Booker. And Booker is the face of the franchise...

its not suprising Ayton is the only thing being talked about right now. And hes definitely under a microscope next season too.

Im surprised people are shocked that the biggest x-factor and ??? on this team is being talked about.

Maybe people get tired of it but theres really nothing else to talk about.

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Ayton won’t be the reason that we win a championship or don’t win a championship? You cannot be serious. He’s probably the most important part of our success. I know what I’m going to get from Beal, Booker, and Durant.. I have no idea what Ayton will give us. Everything starts with DA.. it always has. Really can’t believe you said that honestly.


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[bwoolf2]

See yall when the season starts looks like it wont be much more than the great Ayton debate around here until then...

[bwgood77]

Theres really no1 else to talk about on this team besides Ayton... And he gave us another reason to talk about him....

Obviously we will talk more about the other players once the season starts up. We have to watch them play...

Everyone on this team is pretty much new besides Ayton and Booker. And Booker is the face of the franchise...

its not suprising Ayton is the only thing being talked about right now. And hes definitely under a microscope next season too.

Im surprised people are shocked that the biggest x-factor and ??? on this team is being talked about.

Maybe people get tired of it but theres really nothing else to talk about.

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Theres not alot to talk about the new players...Highlight videos mean nothing... We have to see them play... Unless you want to go back in the past and watch every game beal or others have ever played...How much time u got? Opinions are formed by watching guys play. We have seen alot of Ayton and not the other guys...

Also interesting you dont think Ayton matters to this team....I think everyone on this roster matters and is the difference between winning a chip and not....

Of course Ayton matters. He's just not going to be the primary reason we win or lose. That comes down to the stars and their careers will be judged on if they were able to win championships. The team is stacked, so we should be able to.

[SlovenianDragon]

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Theres not alot to talk about the new players...Highlight videos mean nothing... We have to see them play... Unless you want to go back in the past and watch every game beal or others have ever played...How much time u got? Opinions are formed by watching guys play. We have seen alot of Ayton and not the other guys...

Also interesting you dont think Ayton matters to this team....I think everyone on this roster matters and is the difference between winning a chip and not....

Of course Ayton matters. He's just not going to be the primary reason we win or lose. That comes down to the stars and their careers will be judged on if they were able to win championships. The team is stacked, so we should be able to.

It takes a team to win...As long as Ayton is on this roster he is just as important as Booker...

[bwgood77]

Theres really no1 else to talk about on this team besides Ayton... And he gave us another reason to talk about him....

Obviously we will talk more about the other players once the season starts up. We have to watch them play...

Everyone on this team is pretty much new besides Ayton and Booker. And Booker is the face of the franchise...

its not suprising Ayton is the only thing being talked about right now. And hes definitely under a microscope next season too.

Im surprised people are shocked that the biggest x-factor and ??? on this team is being talked about.

Maybe people get tired of it but theres really nothing else to talk about.

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Ayton won’t be the reason that we win a championship or don’t win a championship? You cannot be serious. He’s probably the most important part of our success. I know what I’m going to get from Beal, Booker, and Durant.. I have no idea what Ayton will give us. Everything starts with DA.. it always has. Really can’t believe you said that honestly.

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This league is star dependent. Stars win championships and rise to the occasion when they need to in close series, especially when facing elimination. It's something we haven't been able to do. Your 4th best player isn't going to be the difference. He matters but it's the stars who will or will not get the deal done. For example, we probably beat Denver if KD shoots his season %s and doesn't turn it over so much. Of course it depends on Booker, Beal and KD. No, you don't know what you will get. They have good and bad shooting and turnover games and all 3 of them have had trouble carrying a team to a win when facing elimination. KD and Book have played big parts in losing a series lead and the series as well.

[bwgood77]

Theres not alot to talk about the new players...Highlight videos mean nothing... We have to see them play... Unless you want to go back in the past and watch every game beal or others have ever played...How much time u got? Opinions are formed by watching guys play. We have seen alot of Ayton and not the other guys...

Also interesting you dont think Ayton matters to this team....I think everyone on this roster matters and is the difference between winning a chip and not....

Of course Ayton matters. He's just not going to be the primary reason we win or lose. That comes down to the stars and their careers will be judged on if they were able to win championships. The team is stacked, so we should be able to.

It takes a team to win...As long as Ayton is on this roster he is just as important as Booker...

I think 99% would say Booker is more important to this team than Ayton.

[SlovenianDragon]

Of course Ayton matters. He's just not going to be the primary reason we win or lose. That comes down to the stars and their careers will be judged on if they were able to win championships. The team is stacked, so we should be able to.

It takes a team to win...As long as Ayton is on this roster he is just as important as Booker...

I think 99% would say Booker is more important to this team than Ayton.

See you are confused...

Booker is a million times better than Ayton...

But it's a team game.

We need Ayton, Gordon, Diop, Yuta, or whoever...

If we want to win we need everyone...As good as Booker is he can't do it alone.

Hope u figure it out.

[enigmatics]

Ayton is a cog when it comes to winning a 'chip because he's on the roster RIGHT now and the best they have at the 5 spot - but he's nowhere near as important as the play/impact of guys like Booker, Beal, and Durant. Arguing otherwise is laughable.

As we discussed in here many times, if they swapped Ayton for a blue collar, high energy player that plays defense - one who's content with not being a focal point of the offense and not needing it to stay engaged they would be fine.

[bwgood77]

In our 3 most important playoff games in the last 3 years, Book didn't bring it. Denver game 6, 4 for 13 for 12 points. Dallas game 7, 3 for 14 for 11 points, 0-4 from 3. Bucks game 6, 8 for 22, 0-7 from 3 for 19 points, 6 turnovers.

He is 1-14 from 3 when facing elimination, 15-49 from the field.

While Ayton is an important piece, Booker, who the team looks to and is used to being the main guy, needs to step up in those games.

[enigmatics]

In our 3 most important playoff games in the last 3 years, Book didn't bring it. Denver game 6, 4 for 13 for 12 points. Dallas game 7, 3 for 14 for 11 points, 0-4 from 3. Bucks game 6, 8 for 22, 0-7 from 3 for 19 points, 6 turnovers.

He is 1-14 from 3 when facing elimination, 15-49 from the field.

While Ayton is an important piece, Booker, who the team looks to and is used to being the main guy, needs to step up in those games.

100%.

Which is also why it was important to bring KD in - to help him learn and bridge that gap. Elimination games are the true test of a player's fabric.

[bwgood77]

It takes a team to win...As long as Ayton is on this roster he is just as important as Booker...

I think 99% would say Booker is more important to this team than Ayton.

See you are confused...

Booker is a million times better than Ayton...

But it's a team game.

We need Ayton, Gordon, Diop, Yuta, or whoever...

If we want to win we need everyone...As good as Booker is he can't do it alone.

Hope u figure it out.

I mentioned our 3 stars are the most important.

Yes, of course we need several guys to have really good to great games, or more. But as I pointed out in my last post right before this one, Book, when he is the guy usually taking by far the most shots, and carrying our team, needs to play way way better in elimination games. But having Beal and KD here should help a lot, even if with just KD it didn't help a lot vs Denver in game 6. Hopefully he gets past those duds in games facing elimination this year (or we never even have a game where we face elimination).

[darmani]

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[bigfoot]

But if there’s one question about the 2023-24 team, Majerle knows that pressure remains on Ayton to take the next step.

“For me, when you pay a guy over $100 million, you know, it’s on you. It really is,” Majerle said. “The guy is a grown man … if he wants to change the perception of what he is, that’s what he’s got to do. For him, all he’s got to do is play with a great motor … rebound the basketball, set great picks, roll, finish, play defense and all those things, and if you win those things are going to come.

“All the accolades are going to come your way. He’s out of excuses, he’s got to bucket down and not worry about what everybody thinks about him.”

https://arizonasports.com/story/3529069/majerle-difference-in-breakup-of-suns-2021-1993-finals-rosters/

[bigfoot]

You'd think people would be talking about the new players. Looking at Beal in the past and others. Ayton won't be the reason we win or don't win a championship. That is on the shoulders of the stars. They are the difference in winning or losing those games. Centers outside of Jokic rarely are some reason a team wins. How well we shoot, are they clutch, are they healthy, do they have bad turnovers? They wil be taking 50+ shots between them and doing most all the passing.

Ayton won’t be the reason that we win a championship or don’t win a championship? You cannot be serious. He’s probably the most important part of our success. I know what I’m going to get from Beal, Booker, and Durant.. I have no idea what Ayton will give us. Everything starts with DA.. it always has. Really can’t believe you said that honestly.

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This league is star dependent. Stars win championships and rise to the occasion when they need to in close series, especially when facing elimination. It's something we haven't been able to do. Your 4th best player isn't going to be the difference. He matters but it's the stars who will or will not get the deal done. For example, we probably beat Denver if KD shoots his season %s and doesn't turn it over so much. Of course it depends on Booker, Beal and KD. No, you don't know what you will get. They have good and bad shooting and turnover games and all 3 of them have had trouble carrying a team to a win when facing elimination. KD and Book have played big parts in losing a series lead and the series as well.

Ayton matters in one way. The Suns need a defensive anchor. That can't be KD, Booker, or Beal. It has to be Ayton. If DA doesn't want to play that role and he chooses to loaf his way through the season and playoffs, the Suns aren't going anywhere. Vogel would need to bench him and figure out who of Eubanks, Metu, and Bol wants fill that role.

[SunsRback4Good]

Dan Majerle sees difference in roster breakup of Suns’ 2021, 1993 Finals teams

https://arizonasports.com/story/3529069/majerle-difference-in-breakup-of-suns-2021-1993-finals-rosters/

Video of Majerle talking about both finals teams in the link.

[bhawk]

But if there’s one question about the 2023-24 team, Majerle knows that pressure remains on Ayton to take the next step.

“For me, when you pay a guy over $100 million, you know, it’s on you. It really is,” Majerle said. “The guy is a grown man … if he wants to change the perception of what he is, that’s what he’s got to do. For him, all he’s got to do is play with a great motor … rebound the basketball, set great picks, roll, finish, play defense and all those things, and if you win those things are going to come.

“All the accolades are going to come your way. He’s out of excuses, he’s got to bucket down and not worry about what everybody thinks about him.”

https://arizonasports.com/story/3529069/majerle-difference-in-breakup-of-suns-2021-1993-finals-rosters/

Tough to argue with Thunder Dan. Anyone here still defending Ayton? Ya... probably not. Wish DA would grow up already.

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This is why questioning how Beal, Booker, and KD will fit on O is so silly. Booker and KD are awesome playing off the ball.

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