2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

[Slim Charless]

Boy that Jaylen Brown contract is something.

To play basketball no less. The level of absurdity continues to reach new levels.

Good for them I guess.

Brown doesn't like the city of Boston too (not that I blame him) and there's about 0.01% chance that he stays throughout the life of this deal imo. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks out next summer, if they don't win the chip. This is also why Toronto should trade Siakam while they still can, as he's gonna want the same deal Jaylen just got and he's even less of a player.

[Fo-Real]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Ya, funny that its much more prevalent these days.... Not a lebron fan but I'm happy his boy is good, would have been terrible!!

[sunsbum]

Team is not stacked. We're mediocre as far as our bench is concerned. We have a lot of "guys" of varying levels of ability. No idea whatsoever if they can play together and in Vogels's system. None of them will be winning or vying for 6MOTY next season. So, like I said: mediocre.

Fortunately for us mediocre is still a large step up from where we previously these past few seasons. You can make a case that we had the worse bench in the league this past season, especially after the KD trade. Having goofpotamus coach us did no one any favors obviously as well.

This is why I still think an Ayton trade is on the table for this team.

Coming from a guy who thinks Rui Hachimura is the gold standard for bench players lol.

You're becoming senile in your old age or you're just drunk from too much time at crappy bars. Either way, I don't think I've ever touted the likes of Rui. Get your facts together and try again tomorrow Old Man.

Sorry, it’s tough for me to keep track of all your burner accounts. Wouldn’t be a slim Charles reply without getting personal, must be heated.

[Slim Charless]

Coming from a guy who thinks Rui Hachimura is the gold standard for bench players lol.

You're becoming senile in your old age or you're just drunk from too much time at crappy bars. Either way, I don't think I've ever touted the likes of Rui. Get your facts together and try again tomorrow Old Man.

Sorry, it’s tough for me to keep track of all your burner accounts. Wouldn’t be a slim Charles reply without getting personal, must be heated.

2 things:

1st, You're not too old as you've mentioned bars and bringing home girls (of low, low quality no doubt ) so I was just playing off of your own posts. You've made it clear that you're not a boomer. That was a joke. Take it easy.

2nd, Don't call someone out with incorrect facts then get pissy when they politely respond.

[KdoubleDees23]

Jaylen Brown contract is beyond ridiculous! Not even top 15 in NBA. Imagine the contracts to come in the near future.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hopefully its cheaper to re-sign players in their 30s.

The first season of their next contract - Durant 38, Beal 34, Booker 32.

CP3 took about 2/3rds of the max at 37, Harden similar around 2/3rds at 32, that might be a value area as teams may be hesitant to commit $70-80m per year over multiple years to them in the future.

[spanishninja]

Hopefully its cheaper to re-sign players in their 30s.

The first season of their next contract - Durant 38, Beal 34, Booker 32.

CP3 took about 2/3rds of the max at 37, Harden similar around 2/3rds at 32, that might be a value area as teams may be hesitant to commit $70-80m per year over multiple years to them in the future.

I hope Durant isn't intent on spending his twilight years crippling a contender in order to get the most money possible. I don't see him as caring that much about money but i could be wrong.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Watching the Dbacks play they are the replica of next years Suns team. All Offense but no defense. Had a one run lead in the 9th and our 2.7 ERA closer game up 5 runs. Dbacks are 5th in offense & 20th in defense. Suns will be around 3-5th offensively but defensively around 12-14th which is middle of the pack unless they get another stud to focus on defense & can hit a few shots here and there.

I do find it very curious that we brought in a defense-oriented coach and loaded the roster with offensive talent. Are we gonna see more of that ugly iso ball we saw once Chris went down against the Nuggets? Will our defense be worse because no one can defend the point? Or will Kevin Young be able to get us moving on offense without a PG, while Vogel pushes our defense to a new level?

One thing is for sure. Our coaching staff do not have easy jobs!

That's one thing...is it more important to have Okogie start to guard PGs? Or does that make it too hard for us to guard 3s. I think KD has the length to guard any 4s. With Book's improved D, is he more equipped to guard PG or SF?

I think it may come down to matchups. Maybe KBD starts when the opposing star is a SF/PF like with the Clips, Lakers, Celtics, etc. But if it's a 1 or 2, maybe Okogie starts.

IMO it's definitely SFs. Booker is a pretty strong dude so he can guard taller players. The ultra quick give him more trouble.

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[VanosGhost]

Hopefully its cheaper to re-sign players in their 30s.

The first season of their next contract - Durant 38, Beal 34, Booker 32.

CP3 took about 2/3rds of the max at 37, Harden similar around 2/3rds at 32, that might be a value area as teams may be hesitant to commit $70-80m per year over multiple years to them in the future.

I hope Durant isn't intent on spending his twilight years crippling a contender in order to get the most money possible. I don't see him as caring that much about money but i could be wrong.

It will depend on what the players have built up (and supported) around themselves - friends, family, non-profits, etc. I'm afraid there aren't many Dirks out there.

[WeekapaugGroove]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Ya, funny that its much more prevalent these days.... Not a lebron fan but I'm happy his boy is good, would have been terrible!!

Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis both died from it in the 80s.

Super scary ****, hopefully the doctors figure out the issue and Bronny listens to their advice moving forward. There were warning signs with both Lewis and Gathers.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Hopefully its cheaper to re-sign players in their 30s.

The first season of their next contract - Durant 38, Beal 34, Booker 32.

CP3 took about 2/3rds of the max at 37, Harden similar around 2/3rds at 32, that might be a value area as teams may be hesitant to commit $70-80m per year over multiple years to them in the future.

I hope Durant isn't intent on spending his twilight years crippling a contender in order to get the most money possible. I don't see him as caring that much about money but i could be wrong.

It will depend on what the players have built up (and supported) around themselves - friends, family, non-profits, etc. I'm afraid there aren't many Dirks out there.

Well if you want to believe rumors the Dirk thing might have been a little under the table payment and not all him just being a good dude sacrificing for the team.

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[lilfishi22]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Probably happens way more than you expect but you only hear about this one because it's Bronny.

[Saberestar]

The Phoenix Suns remain interested in trading for T.J. McConnell of the Indiana Pacers, sources tell Marc Stein.

The Suns have no readily tradeable players currently on their roster until December 15th when new free agent signings become trade eligible.

McConnell is hopeful of remaining with the Pacers. McConnell, who is represented by Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller, cannot become a free agent until 2025.

ok then let's stop talking about this?

There are always options...

While the TPE they got for Payne doesn’t fit, there’s nothing stopping them from using it to acquire a player & then using that player + something to trade for a higher salary they want.

Just spitballing but perhaps they decided this open flexibility > Payne.

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[lilfishi22]

I do find it very curious that we brought in a defense-oriented coach and loaded the roster with offensive talent. Are we gonna see more of that ugly iso ball we saw once Chris went down against the Nuggets? Will our defense be worse because no one can defend the point? Or will Kevin Young be able to get us moving on offense without a PG, while Vogel pushes our defense to a new level?

One thing is for sure. Our coaching staff do not have easy jobs!

That's one thing...is it more important to have Okogie start to guard PGs? Or does that make it too hard for us to guard 3s. I think KD has the length to guard any 4s. With Book's improved D, is he more equipped to guard PG or SF?

I think it may come down to matchups. Maybe KBD starts when the opposing star is a SF/PF like with the Clips, Lakers, Celtics, etc. But if it's a 1 or 2, maybe Okogie starts.

IMO it's definitely SFs. Booker is a pretty strong dude so he can guard taller players. The ultra quick give him more trouble.

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At the same time, especially in the West, there's not many teams with high end wing talents that need a top defender to throw at them. You got Mavs with Luka, Clippers with PG/Kawhi, Pels with Ingram and that's pretty much it. Maybe you could add Warriors with Wiggins and depends on how you view Lebron. The east is a different story with more really good wings. But this is very much a guard dominate game these days with virtually every West team having one really good guard.

In my view, you need one really good perimeter defender and a good big man defender. Okogie fits the bill of that really good perimeter defender. I'll need to see more of KBD's perimeter defense to change my mind I think

[WeekapaugGroove]

That's one thing...is it more important to have Okogie start to guard PGs? Or does that make it too hard for us to guard 3s. I think KD has the length to guard any 4s. With Book's improved D, is he more equipped to guard PG or SF?

I think it may come down to matchups. Maybe KBD starts when the opposing star is a SF/PF like with the Clips, Lakers, Celtics, etc. But if it's a 1 or 2, maybe Okogie starts.

IMO it's definitely SFs. Booker is a pretty strong dude so he can guard taller players. The ultra quick give him more trouble.

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At the same time, especially in the West, there's not many teams with high end wing talents that need a top defender to throw at them. You got Mavs with Luka, Clippers with PG/Kawhi, Pels with Ingram and that's pretty much it. Maybe you could add Warriors with Wiggins and depends on how you view Lebron. The east is a different story with more really good wings. But this is very much a guard dominate game these days with virtually every West team having one really good guard.

In my view, you need one really good perimeter defender and a good big man defender. Okogie fits the bill of that really good perimeter defender. I'll need to see more of KBD's perimeter defense to change my mind I think

I hope it's an open competition and let the best man win.


Just realized my reply to BW was vague. Note I was talking about Booker, I think he's much better at guarding SFs.

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[garrick]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Ya, funny that its much more prevalent these days.... Not a lebron fan but I'm happy his boy is good, would have been terrible!!

It's not that uncommon in the sports world it's just newsworthy because it's the son of Lebron.

Shaq's son had heart surgery as well so while rare it does happen from time to time.

[KdoubleDees23]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Probably happens way more than you expect but you only hear about this one because it's Bronny.

Yeah happens all the time. Since 2020 there has been 3 x the amount of cardiac arrests! Crazy to see

[darealjuice]

18yo having cardiac arrests.
Strange world we live in right now

Probably happens way more than you expect but you only hear about this one because it's Bronny.

Yeah happens all the time. Since 2020 there has been 3 x the amount of cardiac arrests! Crazy to see

I'll take numbers you pulled out of your ass for 500 Alex

[lilfishi22]

Probably happens way more than you expect but you only hear about this one because it's Bronny.

Yeah happens all the time. Since 2020 there has been 3 x the amount of cardiac arrests! Crazy to see

I'll take numbers you pulled out of your ass for 500 Alex

Heard from a good sauce it's about 9x but who knows, it could be up to 40x from what I've read

[KdoubleDees23]

Probably happens way more than you expect but you only hear about this one because it's Bronny.

Yeah happens all the time. Since 2020 there has been 3 x the amount of cardiac arrests! Crazy to see

I'll take numbers you pulled out of your ass for 500 Alex

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

The International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland, studied documents from international data banks from 1966 to 2004. Those documents indicate 1,101 sudden deaths in athletes under 35 years of age, an average of 29 athletes per year, the sports with the highest incidence being soccer and basketball. (NIH Document)

might be actually 10 x's not 3 x. Sorry I was wrong.

Crazy to think that 38 years there was 1101 sudden deaths of athletes under 35 years. 1312 deaths since covid.

One thing someone should look into, is energy drinks as well. Wonder if some of these athletes drink them