Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[Darthlukey]

Teams other than the Heat that can make a legit play for Dame imo are New Orleans, Utah and Toronto

How does a criminal record work for us Canadian work and border crossing? I have always wondered what impact that could have on raptor players? Dame doesn't have one, but hypothetically?

[Bill Lumbergh]

I bet Brad remembers this game...perhaps he signs him...

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I like the energy Stevens brings, but I have to think that between Brissett and Walsh, they'll already more than cover whatever Stevens could give us.

I know the guy has never stuck anywhere he's been, so there's probably a good reason for that, that has nothing to do with his physical abilities, but I am still intrigued, like a couple of others, by Moses Brown. But like I said, there's probably a good reason he doesn't stick. I guess that game when he played like prime Wilt against us left a lasting impression on me.

[djFan71]

I bet Brad remembers this game...perhaps he signs him...

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I like the energy Stevens brings, but I have to think that between Brissett and Walsh, they'll already more than cover whatever Stevens could give us.

I know the guy has never stuck anywhere he's been, so there's probably a good reason for that, that has nothing to do with his physical abilities, but I am still intrigued, like a couple of others, by Moses Brown. But like I said, there's probably a good reason he doesn't stick. I guess that game when he played like prime Wilt against us left a lasting impression on me.

And1ed you for prioritizing Walsh and Brissett. But, I had to revoke it for the Moses Brown part.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I bet Brad remembers this game...perhaps he signs him...

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I like the energy Stevens brings, but I have to think that between Brissett and Walsh, they'll already more than cover whatever Stevens could give us.

I know the guy has never stuck anywhere he's been, so there's probably a good reason for that, that has nothing to do with his physical abilities, but I am still intrigued, like a couple of others, by Moses Brown. But like I said, there's probably a good reason he doesn't stick. I guess that game when he played like prime Wilt against us left a lasting impression on me.

And1ed you for prioritizing Walsh and Brissett. But, I had to revoke it for the Moses Brown part.

Heh, you're probably right about that. I almost kicked my own ass for writing it.

[djFan71]

I like the energy Stevens brings, but I have to think that between Brissett and Walsh, they'll already more than cover whatever Stevens could give us.

I know the guy has never stuck anywhere he's been, so there's probably a good reason for that, that has nothing to do with his physical abilities, but I am still intrigued, like a couple of others, by Moses Brown. But like I said, there's probably a good reason he doesn't stick. I guess that game when he played like prime Wilt against us left a lasting impression on me.

And1ed you for prioritizing Walsh and Brissett. But, I had to revoke it for the Moses Brown part.

Heh, you're probably right about that. I almost kicked my own ass for writing it.

Lol, he is tantalizing. Just didn’t seem super good at the nba level basketball thing was my main concern.

[Bill Lumbergh]

And1ed you for prioritizing Walsh and Brissett. But, I had to revoke it for the Moses Brown part.

Heh, you're probably right about that. I almost kicked my own ass for writing it.

Lol, he is tantalizing. Just didn’t seem super good at the nba level basketball thing was my main concern.

Yeah, it'll never happen. So far, the guys that Brad has brought in, at least for bigger roles, have been White and Brogdon, both smart players who know how to play the right way (the ball movement way), and I know that Brogdon took on more offense for himself than was ideal last year, but I think that was his role on last year's team, and I'm guessing that the reason that Brown never sticks anywhere is because he doesn't have it upstairs. (I could probably delete the Brown part before people wake up and only you and I would know what a moron I am, lol)

[steefP2]

So pretend i dont believe brad when he says we're not trading brogdon

A reasonably low cost trade that is salary legal would be:

Celtics send out Brogdon and a 2024 first
Pistons send out Monte Morris and Alec Burks.

Just have to wait until September 4th until Monte Morris can be aggregated again after being traded to the pistons. Gives us and the league enough time to see how healthy Brogdon is by then. Pistons get a first for 2 expiring players that wouldn't fetch a first on their own. Celtics could even throw in a second or 2 if Brogdon is seen as more negative salary then i figured.

Celtics get two decent offensive players, both good shooters. Morris has some passing craft and is a good pick and roll ballhandler to pair with porzingis who he has some chemistry with already. Burcs is kinda like Brogdon lite, has played some point in the past, he's 6'6 and great buddies with Tatum. Neither of them are good drivers tho so we lose some of that with Brogdon going out but KP should be more of a paint presence anyway.

Also opens up flexibility for next year as we can let them walk or resign one or resign both. Provides optionality.

[steefP2]

Can also make this a 3 teamer where clippers get brogdon, pistons get morris and Coffey + pick and Celtics get monte and burks

[steefP2]

Dunno if the magic would be willing bht this would a be sick deal

[Bill Lumbergh]

PG was a position of strength. Maybe over strength, that's why they were willing to move off of one of our quality PGs to be able to get Porzee, but I don't think they were ever willing to move off of both Marcus and Brogdon, so since it was Marcus shipped off, I think Brogdon goes nowhere.

[steefP2]

PG was a position of strength. Maybe over strength, that's why they were willing to move off of one of our quality PGs to be able to get Porzee, but I don't think they were ever willing to move off of both Marcus and Brogdon, so since it was Marcus shipped off, I think Brogdon goes nowhere.

Probably not but maybe they can’t repair the relationship to where they would feel comfortable keeping him

[zoyathedestroya]

Is it possible Brogdon is expecting to be extended by the Celtics? Writing is on the wall. After the KP extension and Brown signing, there is no way Cs are keeping Brogdon beyond his current contract. So maybe from his side, he wants to get traded to a team that is willing and able to extend him. Current trend seems to be players are being traded and/or extended before they even reach free agency. Brogs could be looking for one last big payday that Cs won't be able to provide him. All speculation of course.

[cl2117]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
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New #Celtics mailbag features a closer look at Payton Pritchard's situation after the Smart trade, whether the C's could benefit from the Thunder roster crunch and much more

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I think the OKC roster crunch angle is really interesting.

It's tough because OKC really needs consolidation trades to take the next step, they certainly don't need any more picks given their war chest that would make Danny Ainge drool. Doesn't exactly make us good trade partners but we've got the Grant TPE so we could take back a guy without sending anyone back and we've done some work with them recently (Muscala, Horford/Kemba), so maybe Brad can squeeze in there.

All these guys could be had into the TPE without ticking us over the 2nd apron:

- Usman Garuba 2.6m , 2 years left
- Tyty Washington 2.3m , 3 years
- Isaiah Joe 2m, 2 years left
- Jeremiah Robinson Earl 1.9m, 2 years left
- Aaron Wiggins 1.8m , 2 years left

JRE and Wiggins I'd probably kick a bad 2nd in for. Same for Garuba. Isaiah Joe is worth at least a few 2nds in my opinion given his sharpshooting. Tyty Washington I'd take for free but not giving anything else up for him. Any of them would be a solid 14th option.

I like them even more for us as a mid-season trade partner. Beyond just a roster crunch, they'll still have a minutes crunch when the regular season rolls around. I'd love to try and get Micic when he is trade eligible and/or Kenrich Williams. Both look like they'll have great contracts for the next couple years and both would fit well next to our stars.

[shackles10]

Brad has a chance to make Tatum very happy...

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2 of Tatum's best friends, just sitting there in free agency. Tatum pushed to have the 2-way contract rule changed to allow Giles to be eligible for 1 more year on a 2-way to make it easier for him to make an NBA comeback. We just happen to have 1 2-way spot open. Our other 2-way guys, one is a PG (JD) and the other is a wing (Scrubb). So it would make sense if we signed a big to the other 2-way.

Brad also hinted at wanting to sign another wing to 1 of our open roster spots. It also wouldn't be the first time Brad brought back a former Celtic who played for us back when Brad was the coach (Al, Enes Freedom, Theis).

Just complaining out loud but why can’t JT be NBA best friends with hall of famers instead of guys fighting for roster spots??

I do think of all the Celtics greats we've had (yep, I will count JT among them), Tatum's the one who's penetrated the "inner circle". He seems to be friends with everybody. Bam, Embiid, Beal, CP3, Draymond, KD, etc. The problem isn't getting him to hook up with some of these HOFers. Issue is trying to bring them to Boston. Higher chance he forms a super bestie team in a sunnier location at some point.

This is the stuff nightmares are made of. I know it’s not ended with even one title, but we really are lucky we went from the 08 title/subsequent contender years to the run we’ve seen since IT without a half decade or more of tanking like most teams do. We aren’t a prime free agent spot so if we lost Tatum to free agency that’s what we’d be looking at.

Also: Not that we were true contenders the early IT years, but the trade for him allowed us to sign Horford, trade for Kyrie, put us in the KD convo before his chose GSW, sign Hayward, and operate as true contenders before the Jays took over. Savvy trading definitely saved the relevancy of this franchise even going back to Ray and KG, but credit to IT for really propelling that rebuild while we outsourced the rest through the Nets.

[zoyathedestroya]

Bring him back, Brad!

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[aim2please]

My interest in Celtics' season has gone down substantially. I like Brad and hope it works out but man, he is gutless. The opposite of Belichick.

To give the keys to a franchise to a guy that's above average starter, impact-wise - is hilarious. This contract is for elite players, not borderline all-stars. What a nightmare. This is something Washington Wizards would do.

Not to mention him being a person he is. Unlikable pseudo intellectual holding horrible views that he's never gonna get called on. Kyrie with a better PR.

Next summer, his contract will be seen as one of the worst in the league. I will quote the previous thread and/or this comment either way. To say I was wrong, or to call out all the people who are gaslighting us how he's a Top 15 player and absolutely deserves this.

[steefP2]

Thats hilarious; I don’t have an issue with people disliking the contract (it’s not good) but the hyperbole above is pretty funny. And calling Brad gutless

There’s plenty of legit criticism you can throw his way (well some anyway) but I think it’s pretty clear the man doesn’t mind big moves. Not reckless doesn’t equal afraid

[165bows]

Is it possible Brogdon is expecting to be extended by the Celtics? Writing is on the wall. After the KP extension and Brown signing, there is no way Cs are keeping Brogdon beyond his current contract. So maybe from his side, he wants to get traded to a team that is willing and able to extend him. Current trend seems to be players are being traded and/or extended before they even reach free agency. Brogs could be looking for one last big payday that Cs won't be able to provide him. All speculation of course.

Hmm interesting idea which I could absolutely see having merit.

[165bows]

Can also make this a 3 teamer where clippers get brogdon, pistons get morris and Coffey + pick and Celtics get monte and burks

I like this version better - Celtics are taking a downgrade in players so let another team pay the cost. If this is the option though value wise prob best to stand pat.

I do like the Suggs deal tho just bring him in and cut out the Wiz.

[steefP2]

Can also make this a 3 teamer where clippers get brogdon, pistons get morris and Coffey + pick and Celtics get monte and burks

I like this version better - Celtics are taking a downgrade in players so let another team pay the cost. If this is the option though value wise prob best to stand pat.

I do like the Suggs deal tho just bring him in and cut out the Wiz.

Yeah I don’t like Suggs at all for us. He might never be a starter level guy tbh but either way he needs somewhere where he can play and have the ball to see what he actually is.

jes gonna be a terrific defensive guard almost certainly but he’s been very bad offensively. If you can’t shoot and can’t really run pick and roll effectively it’s gonna be real hard for you as a guard