Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[Merit]

Never said it would work. Only that it was comparable to the trash being offered by Miami. Unless something changes, it looks like we’re the only two teams in the running. If Brooklyn decides to ante up, that could change.

Heat can do better than that. Herro, although flawed is locked in till at least 2026/27. The Heat as a free agent destination are in a better position to throw in more picks and swaps then I would be comfortable with the Raptors doing for an aging Dame. They have some nice young players to throw in as well.


Gary/Boucher/Precious/Thad/Flynn + 2 firsts + 2 2nds is IMHO quite frankly not that appealing.

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

[JRoy]

The only people talking Scottie for Dame are Portland fans and media and a small percentage of Raptors fans. Most of the US media doesn't even think we would or should include Scottie in a deal for Dame. Much of what I've seen centers around Dick and Precious as the prospects with salary and picks going out.

Again, the competing offer is Miami. Dame is not fetching Scottie.

TOR scrubs and distant picks aren’t doing it either.

Totally fine. We're not competing with ourselves here. Portland has to move Dame by the deadline. If the Raptors were interested, all they'd need to do is beat Miami's offer.

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

[JRoy]

Never said it would work. Only that it was comparable to the trash being offered by Miami. Unless something changes, it looks like we’re the only two teams in the running. If Brooklyn decides to ante up, that could change.

Heat can do better than that. Herro, although flawed is locked in till at least 2026/27. The Heat as a free agent destination are in a better position to throw in more picks and swaps then I would be comfortable with the Raptors doing for an aging Dame. They have some nice young players to throw in as well.


Gary/Boucher/Precious/Thad/Flynn + 2 firsts + 2 2nds is IMHO quite frankly not that appealing.

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

[Merit]

lol no they don't. Why would you think that? Portland is in the same position as Brooklyn was with KD - they have 4 years of term to wait it out, they could wait till next offseason. The pressure is on Miami or some other team to step up. Portland can wait.

Not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but Dame asked to be traded. Historically, these things play out within 1 season at most.

Who actually gives a sh** what Dame wants? The Blazers front office will give as much to that trade request as Brooklyn did to KD's unless you didn't pay attention to that scenario. Dame also stated if a trade doesn't work out, he'd be ok to stay and play in Portland. This is not a trade demand but a request that's not being driven by animosity.

KD and Dame are two completely different scenarios. Dame has only ever played for Portland. He’s given them unlimited chances to improve the team and it’s never worked out.

Dame saying he would be okay to play in Portland is all posturing, and I haven’t seen that written anywhere recently. Dame wants out.

As ForeverTFC also pointed out, Dame’s contract appears to be a problem for the teams interested in acquiring him. It makes sense for Portland to get the most they can as soon as they can.

To me, this feels a lot like the Kawhi situation where the relationship is irreparable. Check JRoy’s earlier posts where he “just wants it to be over”. Plus, Portland is well positioned to rebuild with Scoot. They just have to decide to go in that direction.

[Merit]

Heat can do better than that. Herro, although flawed is locked in till at least 2026/27. The Heat as a free agent destination are in a better position to throw in more picks and swaps then I would be comfortable with the Raptors doing for an aging Dame. They have some nice young players to throw in as well.


Gary/Boucher/Precious/Thad/Flynn + 2 firsts + 2 2nds is IMHO quite frankly not that appealing.

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

That’s also fair. I don’t rate Simmons, and it seems you have a different view of him. I think the notion of flight risk is mitigated by dames last two years of his contract.

[Merit]

TOR scrubs and distant picks aren’t doing it either.

Totally fine. We're not competing with ourselves here. Portland has to move Dame by the deadline. If the Raptors were interested, all they'd need to do is beat Miami's offer.

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Yeah the optics of that are horrible, but we’ll see how it plays out.

[docholliday99]

Not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but Dame asked to be traded. Historically, these things play out within 1 season at most.

Who actually gives a sh** what Dame wants? The Blazers front office will give as much to that trade request as Brooklyn did to KD's unless you didn't pay attention to that scenario. Dame also stated if a trade doesn't work out, he'd be ok to stay and play in Portland. This is not a trade demand but a request that's not being driven by animosity.

KD and Dame are two completely different scenarios. Dame has only ever played for Portland. He’s given them unlimited chances to improve the team and it’s never worked out.

Dame saying he would be okay to play in Portland is all posturing, and I haven’t seen that written anywhere recently. Dame wants out.

As ForeverTFC also pointed out, Dame’s contract appears to be a problem for the teams interested in acquiring him. It makes sense for Portland to get the most they can as soon as they can.

To me, this feels a lot like the Kawhi situation where the relationship is irreparable. Check JRoy’s earlier posts where he “just wants it to be over”. Plus, Portland is well positioned to rebuild with Scoot. They just have to decide to go in that direction.

Oh 100%, in an ideal world this would be done sooner than later. The fact that this has no acrimonious feelings allows Portland the time to wait - which is what I was referring to about Brooklyn and KD, Brooklyn had term and set a sky high price - they could afford to wait. And I get where JRoy's coming from but he's also stated he's more than fine to sit Dame's butt down and to wait it out if that becomes necessary. The pressure really is on everyone else.

[KrazyP]

TOR scrubs and distant picks aren’t doing it either.

Totally fine. We're not competing with ourselves here. Portland has to move Dame by the deadline. If the Raptors were interested, all they'd need to do is beat Miami's offer.

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Dame is 33 yrs old with a massive long term contract. I dont think waiting is going to change his trade market.

The Heat, 76ers, Knicks, Raptors and Nets are the only teams I can think of that will have any interest at all and I dont think any of these teams will be in a position to make a great offer regardless of how long you wait.

[JRoy]

Totally fine. We're not competing with ourselves here. Portland has to move Dame by the deadline. If the Raptors were interested, all they'd need to do is beat Miami's offer.

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Dame is 33 yrs old with a massive long term contract. I dont think waiting is going to change his trade market.

The Heat, 76ers, Knicks, Raptors and Nets are the only teams I can think of that will have any interest at all and I dont think any of these teams will be in a position to make a great offer regardless of how long you wait.

I don’t expect a great offer.

I expect an offer that isnt a three curled steamie.

[JRoy]

Totally fine. We're not competing with ourselves here. Portland has to move Dame by the deadline. If the Raptors were interested, all they'd need to do is beat Miami's offer.

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Yeah the optics of that are horrible, but we’ll see how it plays out.

Oh noes!

Do you mean FA might not sign in POR?

Heavens!

PS the last quality FA to sign in POR was Wes Mathews about 15 years ago and then Brian Grant about 15 years before that.

[Merit]

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Yeah the optics of that are horrible, but we’ll see how it plays out.

Oh noes!

Do you mean FA might not sign in POR?

Heavens!

PS the last quality FA to sign in POR was Wes Mathews about 15 years ago and then Brian Grant about 15 years before that.

Haha, sounds like us.

Put it this way, I wouldn’t do that to my best and longest serving employee, even if the company was going in a different direction.

[Merit]

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Dame is 33 yrs old with a massive long term contract. I dont think waiting is going to change his trade market.

The Heat, 76ers, Knicks, Raptors and Nets are the only teams I can think of that will have any interest at all and I dont think any of these teams will be in a position to make a great offer regardless of how long you wait.

I don’t expect a great offer.

I expect an offer that isnt a three curled steamie.

If you think Ben Simmons isn’t a three curled steamie then I don’t know what to tell you.

[Merit]

Who actually gives a sh** what Dame wants? The Blazers front office will give as much to that trade request as Brooklyn did to KD's unless you didn't pay attention to that scenario. Dame also stated if a trade doesn't work out, he'd be ok to stay and play in Portland. This is not a trade demand but a request that's not being driven by animosity.

KD and Dame are two completely different scenarios. Dame has only ever played for Portland. He’s given them unlimited chances to improve the team and it’s never worked out.

Dame saying he would be okay to play in Portland is all posturing, and I haven’t seen that written anywhere recently. Dame wants out.

As ForeverTFC also pointed out, Dame’s contract appears to be a problem for the teams interested in acquiring him. It makes sense for Portland to get the most they can as soon as they can.

To me, this feels a lot like the Kawhi situation where the relationship is irreparable. Check JRoy’s earlier posts where he “just wants it to be over”. Plus, Portland is well positioned to rebuild with Scoot. They just have to decide to go in that direction.

Oh 100%, in an ideal world this would be done sooner than later. The fact that this has no acrimonious feelings allows Portland the time to wait - which is what I was referring to about Brooklyn and KD, Brooklyn had term and set a sky high price - they could afford to wait. And I get where JRoy's coming from but he's also stated he's more than fine to sit Dame's butt down and to wait it out if that becomes necessary. The pressure really is on everyone else.

The pressure isn’t on everyone else or it would already be done.

The pressure isn’t on everyone else or there would be solid offers for Dame.

The pressure isn’t on everyone else, I just don’t believe the posturing.

[ForeverTFC]

Who actually gives a sh** what Dame wants? The Blazers front office will give as much to that trade request as Brooklyn did to KD's unless you didn't pay attention to that scenario. Dame also stated if a trade doesn't work out, he'd be ok to stay and play in Portland. This is not a trade demand but a request that's not being driven by animosity.

KD and Dame are two completely different scenarios. Dame has only ever played for Portland. He’s given them unlimited chances to improve the team and it’s never worked out.

Dame saying he would be okay to play in Portland is all posturing, and I haven’t seen that written anywhere recently. Dame wants out.

As ForeverTFC also pointed out, Dame’s contract appears to be a problem for the teams interested in acquiring him. It makes sense for Portland to get the most they can as soon as they can.

To me, this feels a lot like the Kawhi situation where the relationship is irreparable. Check JRoy’s earlier posts where he “just wants it to be over”. Plus, Portland is well positioned to rebuild with Scoot. They just have to decide to go in that direction.

Oh 100%, in an ideal world this would be done sooner than later. The fact that this has no acrimonious feelings allows Portland the time to wait - which is what I was referring to about Brooklyn and KD, Brooklyn had term and set a sky high price - they could afford to wait. And I get where JRoy's coming from but he's also stated he's more than fine to sit Dame's butt down and to wait it out if that becomes necessary. The pressure really is on everyone else.

With all due respect to JRoy, his comfort level with sitting Dame has exactly 0 relevance to this conversation.

The KD deal is not a comp for Dame. KD has 1 less year, is 15% cheaper, is a better player and was traded prior to the new CBA. Additionally, if it wasn't for new ownership, it's unlikely the Suns would have paid that price.

Dame's contract extension was awful when it was signed. It's even worse under the current CBA. There's 2 years of value on that deal with 2 years of even money at best and negative value in most likely scenario. No sensible person looks at that and summizes that his value will stay even 1 year from now. Even if he maintains his production, I'd point you the CBA restrictions that he would introduce and why he would more than likely net out as a negative on a team's cap sheet.

Portland needs to find a trade by the deadline. The pressure is on them.

[KrazyP]

No, we don’t.

Sooner would be better than later, but we are in no hurry. We can tank and he can sit.

Dame is 33 yrs old with a massive long term contract. I dont think waiting is going to change his trade market.

The Heat, 76ers, Knicks, Raptors and Nets are the only teams I can think of that will have any interest at all and I dont think any of these teams will be in a position to make a great offer regardless of how long you wait.

I don’t expect a great offer.

I expect an offer that isnt a three curled steamie.

Ok, what is the best offer you expect to get from any of the above mentioned teams?

[Tha Cynic]

Can we all just agree trading Barnes for Lillard is the stupidest move we can make?

Barnes is the only reason I’m even somewhat still interested in this team.

This trade would be significantly worse than trading 3 draft picks for Jakob Poeltl

The only people talking Scottie for Dame are Portland fans and media and a small percentage of Raptors fans. Most of the US media doesn't even think we would or should include Scottie in a deal for Dame. Much of what I've seen centers around Dick and Precious as the prospects with salary and picks going out.

Again, the competing offer is Miami. Dame is not fetching Scottie.

I think that a lot of people on this board are dreaming on the best version of Scottie. And that's great - we all hope he reaches the potential we saw in his Year 1 and in spurts in Year 2. But what if Scottie turns out to be one of those players that is fantastic one game and invisible the next. Someone who can beat the world for a quarter and fall asleep for another. I feel like he needs to show he is NOT one of those players in Year 3, or else we are going to regret hitching this franchise's wagon to him.

I would rather take a chance this happens than trade him for Dame. He isn't worth it and he isn't someone who's going to keep this fanbase happy past one year imo. We don't need players like that who are one and done, especially when said player is not getting you a ring as is basically at the stage players start breaking down.

If you're trading Barnes, it's for a completely different type of player archetype than Dame. Masai has already identified what type of archetype he likes. He has shown this over and over again. He will try to get Dame for cheap, but he won't give up his best assets for a combo guard type player who is 33 and on a terrible contract that will handicap the team.

If any team was offering a significant package, this trade would be done.

[Tha Cynic]

Heat can do better than that. Herro, although flawed is locked in till at least 2026/27. The Heat as a free agent destination are in a better position to throw in more picks and swaps then I would be comfortable with the Raptors doing for an aging Dame. They have some nice young players to throw in as well.


Gary/Boucher/Precious/Thad/Flynn + 2 firsts + 2 2nds is IMHO quite frankly not that appealing.

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

What exactly do you think is going to be a reasonable offer for Dame, from any team who can and makes sense for them to make an offer?

Maybe I missed it, but all is see is you spamming "nope" to any proposal. I think everyone here gets it that you will say no to everything. So what is a "yes".

[JRoy]

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

What exactly do you think is going to be a reasonable offer for Dame, from any team who can and makes sense for them to make an offer?

Maybe I missed it, but all is see is you spamming "nope" to any proposal. I think everyone here gets it that you will say no to everything. So what is a "yes".

Ben Simmons, 3 FRP and a couple promising young guys works for me.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

And that’s totally fair. I don’t think Jovic and Jacques move the needle and a Tyler Herro/Anfernee Simons back court is gonna get cooked.

If the Raps choose to move either OG or Pascal, we immediately have the best offer for Dame, IMO.

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

What exactly do you think is going to be a reasonable offer for Dame, from any team who can and makes sense for them to make an offer?

Maybe I missed it, but all is see is you spamming "nope" to any proposal. I think everyone here gets it that you will say no to everything. So what is a "yes".

You are doing valiant JRoy, as you may know we are the most hardcore board in basketball, so good on you for sticking it through.

As I've mentioned, the tankers aren't going to budge from the OG level deal as they are not the invested in getting Dame, it's very much a second option to tanking. This tanking movement on the board goes back at least decade, and involves a failed Kyle Lowry trade and a successful Rudy Gay trade. Lines were drawn in the sand back then, and still have impact today. For those who want to tank, a win now move needs to involve a huge overpay by the other team in the deal for it to be considered.

[JRoy]

Nope.

Those expiring contracts are a flight risk and do not have the value you suppose.

What exactly do you think is going to be a reasonable offer for Dame, from any team who can and makes sense for them to make an offer?

Maybe I missed it, but all is see is you spamming "nope" to any proposal. I think everyone here gets it that you will say no to everything. So what is a "yes".

You are doing valiant JRoy, as you may know we are the most hardcore board in basketball, so good on you for sticking it through.

As I've mentioned, the tankers aren't going to budge from the OG level deal as they are not the invested in getting Dame, it's very much a second option to tanking. This tanking movement on the board goes back at least decade, and involves a failed Kyle Lowry trade and a successful Rudy Gay trade. Lines were drawn in the sand back then, and still have impact today. For those who want to tank, a win now move needs to involve a huge overpay by the other team in the deal for it to be considered.

I don’t think TOR should trade for Lillard. TOR has some nice talent but really need a quality lead guard, and that is not a stupid and selfish Schroeder.

OG and Siakam are excellent players wanting big money real soon. Are they worth it?