Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[aHealthy3]

Man what a hot mess. I 100% believe Daryl promised Harden a bag last summer if he played well, Harden played as well as anyone could reasonably expect and now there's no bag. At the same time tho, just opt the **** out if you're going to do this. Everyone looks bad.

I would've just offered the Vanvleet 3/130, I'm guessing daryl tried to come with another 2/60 with an option type deal lol.

edit: first post in a while, forgot i even had the daryl avi. down bad.

[Warfelg]

Man what a hot mess. I 100% believe Daryl promised Harden a bag last summer if he played well, Harden played as well as anyone could reasonably expect and now there's no bag. At the same time tho, just opt the **** out if you're going to do this. Everyone looks bad.

I would've just offered the Vanvleet 3/130, I'm guessing daryl tried to come with another 2/60 with an option type deal lol.

edit: first post in a while, forgot i even had the daryl avi. down bad.

I’ll add again - If Harden played as well as he could other teams would be interested in having him. Players who know they could make more elsewhere, even from lesser teams, opt out to have the leverage.

[aHealthy3]

Man what a hot mess. I 100% believe Daryl promised Harden a bag last summer if he played well, Harden played as well as anyone could reasonably expect and now there's no bag. At the same time tho, just opt the **** out if you're going to do this. Everyone looks bad.

I would've just offered the Vanvleet 3/130, I'm guessing daryl tried to come with another 2/60 with an option type deal lol.

edit: first post in a while, forgot i even had the daryl avi. down bad.

I’ll add again - If Harden played as well as he could other teams would be interested in having him. Players who know they could make more elsewhere, even from lesser teams, opt out to have the leverage.

i agree the market isn't there for a long term max at his age, i still think he played as well as folks could've expected tho, 21/11/6 on good efficiency. yes he folded in the end, but he had 2 40+ point game signature playoff performances. that should absolutely be more than enough to win a 2nd round series as a 2nd option to the MVP of the league.

[Warfelg]

Man what a hot mess. I 100% believe Daryl promised Harden a bag last summer if he played well, Harden played as well as anyone could reasonably expect and now there's no bag. At the same time tho, just opt the **** out if you're going to do this. Everyone looks bad.

I would've just offered the Vanvleet 3/130, I'm guessing daryl tried to come with another 2/60 with an option type deal lol.

edit: first post in a while, forgot i even had the daryl avi. down bad.

I’ll add again - If Harden played as well as he could other teams would be interested in having him. Players who know they could make more elsewhere, even from lesser teams, opt out to have the leverage.

i agree the market isn't there for a long term max at his age, i still think he played as well as folks could've expected tho, 21/11/6 on good efficiency. yes he folded in the end, but he had 2 40+ point game signature playoff performances. that should absolutely be more than enough to win a 2nd round series as a 2nd option to the MVP of the league.

How about his clinching games. Harden has a history of performing when it matters least. Extending a guy who comes up small in the biggest moments isn’t worth it unless some other team is willing to pay him that.

I think if we would have given him what he wanted we were only bidding against ourselves. IMO Morey Gambled on his value and won.

[FireMorey]

If Morey promised Harden a mega contract, then Harden has every right to be pissed. But Morey is right for reneging because that would destroy the organization. Both things can be true.

But Harden has better ways to handle this to get what he wants. He's hurting his trade value.

[sixers hoops]

If Morey promised Harden a mega contract, then Harden has every right to be pissed. But Morey is right for reneging because that would destroy the organization. Both things can be true.

But Harden has better ways to handle this to get what he wants. He's hurting his trade value.

I mean he obviously had a conversation with James that led James to play last season for less money. However, he took a $14 million or so paycut. I would give him an extra $15 million over a one or two year deal, but I think James expected a four year max or something. Morey’s backroom deals with these former Rocket players are disasters.

[sixers4real]

Morey’s behaving like a big boss in a big business. Everybody lies.

Divas like Harden are not used to it.

[Ballerhogger]

Man what a hot mess. I 100% believe Daryl promised Harden a bag last summer if he played well, Harden played as well as anyone could reasonably expect and now there's no bag. At the same time tho, just opt the **** out if you're going to do this. Everyone looks bad.

I would've just offered the Vanvleet 3/130, I'm guessing daryl tried to come with another 2/60 with an option type deal lol.

edit: first post in a while, forgot i even had the daryl avi. down bad.

Harden really screwed himself by opting in. Should stayed with nets but he wasn’t feeling it for the most money

[aHealthy3]

I’ll add again - If Harden played as well as he could other teams would be interested in having him. Players who know they could make more elsewhere, even from lesser teams, opt out to have the leverage.

i agree the market isn't there for a long term max at his age, i still think he played as well as folks could've expected tho, 21/11/6 on good efficiency. yes he folded in the end, but he had 2 40+ point game signature playoff performances. that should absolutely be more than enough to win a 2nd round series as a 2nd option to the MVP of the league.

How about his clinching games. Harden has a history of performing when it matters least. Extending a guy who comes up small in the biggest moments isn’t worth it unless some other team is willing to pay him that.

I think if we would have given him what he wanted we were only bidding against ourselves. IMO Morey Gambled on his value and won.

again sure that's true, but if joel plays like the MVP we aren't even having this convo. harden's performance was more than adequate for a 2nd option/facilitator, if you were expecting a full series of superstar houston harden idk what to tell you. his play was the main reason that series even made it to 7 games. i wouldn't pay him a 4 year max either but it's really unfortunate how this is all playing out.

[Warfelg]

i agree the market isn't there for a long term max at his age, i still think he played as well as folks could've expected tho, 21/11/6 on good efficiency. yes he folded in the end, but he had 2 40+ point game signature playoff performances. that should absolutely be more than enough to win a 2nd round series as a 2nd option to the MVP of the league.

How about his clinching games. Harden has a history of performing when it matters least. Extending a guy who comes up small in the biggest moments isn’t worth it unless some other team is willing to pay him that.

I think if we would have given him what he wanted we were only bidding against ourselves. IMO Morey Gambled on his value and won.

again sure that's true, but if joel plays like the MVP we aren't even having this convo. harden's performance was more than adequate for a 2nd option/facilitator, if you were expecting a full series of superstar houston harden idk what to tell you. his play was the main reason that series even made it to 7 games. i wouldn't pay him a 4 year max either but it's really unfortunate how this is all playing out.

That’s not what I’m saying or expecting. There’s a lot of things in Harden’s past as to why he’s not worth that. I 100% believe if some team thought he was worth bringing in at his current salary we would hear of a team that wants him. The fact that teams aren’t trying to make offers should tell you all you need to know. He’s the occasional big game guy who’s more of the facilitator/3rd scoring option anymore. And with the new CBA provisions that’s not worth what Harden wants.

[Jailblazers7]

James Harden shot 22% from the field & 13% from three in our 4 losses again Boston. That is absolutely not good enough to get a long-term contract.

[M2J]

I feel for James in a way. I'm typically pro player in these situations...don't need to rehash what I already wrote about a few pages ago. But, he's just made terrible financial decisions the last few years. He's turned down a bunch of money from 3 different teams now. He turned it down to pay his friends, and try to get a chip....he choked when it came down to it in the playoffs. He's older now and has been hobbling going into the past 2 postseasons. There's no team about to give him a long term contract. But, Morey likely would've given him 1+1 max deals for years. The only other way he gets that now, is to apologize, or win a title with the richest owner in the league in LA.

This new CBA and cap situations are hitting the teams differently, and no one was going to kill their franchise by giving 3 or 4 years to someone at his age and performance history of late.

I feel for him, but that's another reason players need representation...he didn't get any until after he's made most of these decisions. I'm sure his representation was smart enough to tell him to opt in, and those saying he shouldn't have clearly don't know the math between a MLE and $36 million dollars.

[the_process]

Morey: stop asking for the moon. Harden is not valued even at all star level anymore, regardless of what the slide rule in your pocket protector says.

Risk vs reward doesnt make sense for that.

Are you factoring the locker room into that? Or just on court, where Harden is known for choking/quitting?

Either way I strongly disagree.

[Stanford]

The team played okay and Joel took a huge leap the last time time his costar threw a crybaby temper tantrum.

[Skates]

The team played okay and Joel took a huge leap the last time time his costar threw a crybaby temper tantrum.

And Maxey filled in pretty darn well for the crybaby co-star, so we indeed have experience with all of this.

Does make the summer excitement pretty minimal though.

[the_process]

If Morey promised Harden a mega contract, then Harden has every right to be pissed. But Morey is right for reneging because that would destroy the organization. Both things can be true.

But Harden has better ways to handle this to get what he wants. He's hurting his trade value.

I mean he obviously had a conversation with James that led James to play last season for less money. However, he took a $14 million or so paycut. I would give him an extra $15 million over a one or two year deal, but I think James expected a four year max or something. Morey’s backroom deals with these former Rocket players are disasters.

James definitely expected a four year max, the open question is did Morey tell him he would give it to him and then walk that back?

And yes, Morey as a relationship guy sucks.

[76ciology]

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[Mik317]

again unlike the Ben situation..I don't see how waiting really changes the package...especially now

just trade him and keep it moving already

[M2J]

Adding in to the poor decision making is that Harden could've just kept quiet, played and showcased his value on a team as he did early on last year, and gotten traded. These tantrums just harm any team's interest in him as well.

[SixthStreet]

I'm generally pro-player but I find it hard to have sympathy for Harden here. He seemingly already was on the outs with Morey prior to his opt out/in deadline so he had full agency over his fate.

This is his self created mess and Morey is not obligated to take the Clippers trash in order to clean it up.

Honestly I'm pretty cool with letting him sit at home all year and take a reset year and see how far we can push Maxey and take the cap space into next year. If Embiid tires and asks for a trade then blow it up.