Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Stanford]

This is more like your girlfriend's good friend just called the boyfriend a liar and now he has to determine how to handle the situation. I don't think considering the impact on your girlfriend as you try to resolve things with her friend is "pathetic" at all and would be a pretty smart thing to do.

You're right, we should all do our best to resolve things between Joel and the organization.

The analogy isn't 1-1, obviously. I was explaining why I think the attitude is sad and I don't have any respect for it, not offering a solution.

Why do people think Embiid would ask for a trade?
You have to understand that he is coming from a different culture, and isn't your regular 'Lebron', 'Harden', 'Durant' etc.. He is more like Nowitzki type who is thankful and loyal to the organization that enabled everything to him and his family, and will never consider asking for a trade. People like that have a different character.

I think this is true, but I also don't think Joel has the guts to do it. At least not this early. I don't think he wants to be viewed like Harden, Lillard, etc.

[Mik317]

The problem is that due to his position, age, injury history and contract…. Not many teams are set to trade a big package for Biid imo

I don’t think OKC is ready to push in their chips. The Pelicans are an option but that would signal that Zion is damaged goods or if it’s Ingram he isn’t good enough return imo. The Knicks poo poo platter isn’t enough either plus I doubt they trade in division. Portland made sense before Dame asked out and Miami isn’t trading Bam for Biid after another finals run. Golden State made more sense prior to getting rid of Pooled matching contract…. But imo their young talent is mid.

Just don’t see any real Gobert packages out there lol

We are ****

Um, I disagree. Dude just won an MVP, and his injury history is pretty average. He gets injured annually during the playoff, but is good to go the next season. it's all freak injuries. He's basically the best you can expect to get of a superstar at this point. He will be at his peak value for the next 2 years, then there will be a decline. If he gets a serious injury, that obviously changes, but not sure why you think he is not going to get you basically the biggest package of all time.

Teams that have players/picks they can trade

OKC
Knicks
Blazers
Disagree about Miami (Jimmy loves Biid), just don't think they have the assetts
Celtics
Nets
Pistons
Grizzlies
Rockets
Pelicans
Raptors
Jazz
Cavaliers


Basically all those teams would have something to offer. Not to mention you could do a multi team trade.

Its not a slight against Biid as a player, I just think the timing is off for most of teams.

Again I don't see why OKC excelerates their rebuild for Biid...I think they'd do it for a younger guy who matches their timeline; same goes for the Jazz.
I don't think they'd trade Biid to a division rival.
I don't think Jimmy has a much power as you think, and they are lasered in on Dame who wants Bam there.

I will say tho some teams are "possible". Detroit with a package around Duren and a shitton of Picks for a rebuild. I can see the Grizzlies pushing for a win asap type move but I don't think they have the ammo. Rockets have a bunch of young pieces and picks. The Cavs are a sneaky team tho...as they are set to lose Mitchell and could be desperate but I wouldn't.

Overall tho there are other things at play tho. The new arena, new coach, ect. means it would have to be a Biid asks out type beat IMO...which I'd like to say I don't think he'd do but idk anymore lol. And if he did, recent history says his list would be a lot smaller than the above haha.

[Iverson Armband]

Why is this your take?

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

It really is beyond pathetic and Joel eats it up.

He’s a great player but at this point he can gtfo too. Hes won jackchit and is basically teetering on loser status while Harden is already there. If he’s pissed about this situation too then they belong together at this point.

I’d rather cheer for Maxey, bums, and hope over two unapologetic losers.

[eyeatoma]

The problem is that due to his position, age, injury history and contract…. Not many teams are set to trade a big package for Biid imo

I don’t think OKC is ready to push in their chips. The Pelicans are an option but that would signal that Zion is damaged goods or if it’s Ingram he isn’t good enough return imo. The Knicks poo poo platter isn’t enough either plus I doubt they trade in division. Portland made sense before Dame asked out and Miami isn’t trading Bam for Biid after another finals run. Golden State made more sense prior to getting rid of Pooled matching contract…. But imo their young talent is mid.

Just don’t see any real Gobert packages out there lol

We are ****

Um, I disagree. Dude just won an MVP, and his injury history is pretty average. He gets injured annually during the playoff, but is good to go the next season. it's all freak injuries. He's basically the best you can expect to get of a superstar at this point. He will be at his peak value for the next 2 years, then there will be a decline. If he gets a serious injury, that obviously changes, but not sure why you think he is not going to get you basically the biggest package of all time.

Teams that have players/picks they can trade

OKC
Knicks
Blazers
Disagree about Miami (Jimmy loves Biid), just don't think they have the assetts
Celtics
Nets
Pistons
Grizzlies
Rockets
Pelicans
Raptors
Jazz
Cavaliers


Basically all those teams would have something to offer. Not to mention you could do a multi team trade.

Its not a slight against Biid as a player, I just think the timing is off for most of teams.

Again I don't see why OKC excelerates their rebuild for Biid...I think they'd do it for a younger guy who matches their timeline; same goes for the Jazz.
I don't think they'd trade Biid to a division rival.
I don't think Jimmy has a much power as you think, and they are lasered in on Dame who wants Bam there.

I will say tho some teams are "possible". Detroit with a package around Duren and a shitton of Picks for a rebuild. I can see the Grizzlies pushing for a win asap type move but I don't think they have the ammo. Rockets have a bunch of young pieces and picks. The Cavs are a sneaky team tho...as they are set to lose Mitchell and could be desperate but I wouldn't.

Overall tho there are other things at play tho. The new arena, new coach, ect. means it would have to be a Biid asks out type beat IMO...which I'd like to say I don't think he'd do but idk anymore lol. And if he did, recent history says his list would be a lot smaller than the above haha.

OKC would do it because SGA plus Embiid, plus say Giddey is a chip team.

[AI_Efficiency]

This is more like your girlfriend's good friend just called the boyfriend a liar and now he has to determine how to handle the situation. I don't think considering the impact on your girlfriend as you try to resolve things with her friend is "pathetic" at all and would be a pretty smart thing to do.

You're right, we should all do our best to resolve things between Joel and the organization.

The analogy isn't 1-1, obviously. I was explaining why I think the attitude is sad and I don't have any respect for it, not offering a solution.

You left out the last part of my response which is explaining that even though the fans themselves of course cannot influence the outcome, they still of course care about it, which is normal. I couldn't influence whether Kawhi hit that game 7 jumper to beat us, but I still cared. You seem to be suggesting just because the fans can't do anything about it themselves, they shouldn't worry about it. That analogy fails all over, maybe you can't cure your spouse's cancer, so why worry about it. And this isn't worry about Embiid leaving in a vacuum. It is directly related to how we think the team should handle Harden.

[Warfelg]

If OKC/Houston wouldn’t offload their picks for Embiid you don’t move him. None of those other teams have a single thing worth kicking off a rebuild with.


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[Mik317]

Um, I disagree. Dude just won an MVP, and his injury history is pretty average. He gets injured annually during the playoff, but is good to go the next season. it's all freak injuries. He's basically the best you can expect to get of a superstar at this point. He will be at his peak value for the next 2 years, then there will be a decline. If he gets a serious injury, that obviously changes, but not sure why you think he is not going to get you basically the biggest package of all time.

Teams that have players/picks they can trade

OKC
Knicks
Blazers
Disagree about Miami (Jimmy loves Biid), just don't think they have the assetts
Celtics
Nets
Pistons
Grizzlies
Rockets
Pelicans
Raptors
Jazz
Cavaliers


Basically all those teams would have something to offer. Not to mention you could do a multi team trade.

Its not a slight against Biid as a player, I just think the timing is off for most of teams.

Again I don't see why OKC excelerates their rebuild for Biid...I think they'd do it for a younger guy who matches their timeline; same goes for the Jazz.
I don't think they'd trade Biid to a division rival.
I don't think Jimmy has a much power as you think, and they are lasered in on Dame who wants Bam there.

I will say tho some teams are "possible". Detroit with a package around Duren and a shitton of Picks for a rebuild. I can see the Grizzlies pushing for a win asap type move but I don't think they have the ammo. Rockets have a bunch of young pieces and picks. The Cavs are a sneaky team tho...as they are set to lose Mitchell and could be desperate but I wouldn't.

Overall tho there are other things at play tho. The new arena, new coach, ect. means it would have to be a Biid asks out type beat IMO...which I'd like to say I don't think he'd do but idk anymore lol. And if he did, recent history says his list would be a lot smaller than the above haha.

OKC would do it because SGA plus Embiid, plus say Giddey is a chip team.

I just don't see them trading Chet before seeing what he is...AND you just know Morey would be out here asking for SGA AND Giddey lol

[Philly's Best]

If I'm ownership Morey has till the end of August to cleanup his mess. He brought the toxicity into the equation with Harden. Not that I want to trade Embiid but he is part of the drama. The reality is he is 30, we have long odds winning next year and if he pushes for trade we have less value. Move him and Harden now. Morey is still the best to do that. Then fire Morey and start over with someone much less polarizing.

[eyeatoma]

Its not a slight against Biid as a player, I just think the timing is off for most of teams.

Again I don't see why OKC excelerates their rebuild for Biid...I think they'd do it for a younger guy who matches their timeline; same goes for the Jazz.
I don't think they'd trade Biid to a division rival.
I don't think Jimmy has a much power as you think, and they are lasered in on Dame who wants Bam there.

I will say tho some teams are "possible". Detroit with a package around Duren and a shitton of Picks for a rebuild. I can see the Grizzlies pushing for a win asap type move but I don't think they have the ammo. Rockets have a bunch of young pieces and picks. The Cavs are a sneaky team tho...as they are set to lose Mitchell and could be desperate but I wouldn't.

Overall tho there are other things at play tho. The new arena, new coach, ect. means it would have to be a Biid asks out type beat IMO...which I'd like to say I don't think he'd do but idk anymore lol. And if he did, recent history says his list would be a lot smaller than the above haha.

OKC would do it because SGA plus Embiid, plus say Giddey is a chip team.

I just don't see them trading Chet before seeing what he is...AND you just know Morey would be out here asking for SGA AND Giddey lol

Chet doesn't have the body to go the distance, Embiid is a ready made MVP, with SGA just entering his prime, it's the type of player you put your chips in. If I was OKC, I would trade chet, williams and picks, get Embiid, and still have another max slot left and sign someone else.

Dynasty in the making.

[eyeatoma]

Its not a slight against Biid as a player, I just think the timing is off for most of teams.

Again I don't see why OKC excelerates their rebuild for Biid...I think they'd do it for a younger guy who matches their timeline; same goes for the Jazz.
I don't think they'd trade Biid to a division rival.
I don't think Jimmy has a much power as you think, and they are lasered in on Dame who wants Bam there.

I will say tho some teams are "possible". Detroit with a package around Duren and a shitton of Picks for a rebuild. I can see the Grizzlies pushing for a win asap type move but I don't think they have the ammo. Rockets have a bunch of young pieces and picks. The Cavs are a sneaky team tho...as they are set to lose Mitchell and could be desperate but I wouldn't.

Overall tho there are other things at play tho. The new arena, new coach, ect. means it would have to be a Biid asks out type beat IMO...which I'd like to say I don't think he'd do but idk anymore lol. And if he did, recent history says his list would be a lot smaller than the above haha.

OKC would do it because SGA plus Embiid, plus say Giddey is a chip team.

I just don't see them trading Chet before seeing what he is...AND you just know Morey would be out here asking for SGA AND Giddey lol

Eh, Morey would know that most places Biid would want to he would want to compete. OKC, has two young studs in Chet and Williams, and picks galore. That's basically the best package you can get in the NBA, apart from a superstar. Because we would be rebuilding no point in getting a player entering their prime. They would want to suck a little while longer.

[Stanford]

they still of course care about it, which is normal.

Caring is different than constantly worrying about whether the day's news will cause Embiid to demand a trade.

[Philly's Best]

Now, Tucker is chiming in... again to reiterate Morey should have to the end of the month to clean-up his mess including Tucker and any other malcontents

[Arsenal]

Now, Tucker is chiming in... again to reiterate Morey should have to the end of the month to clean-up his mess including Tucker and any other malcontents

What did he say?

What he should be saying is apologizing for being a TOTAL ZERO on the offensive end.

When Harden goes, PJ Tucker needs to go with him.

[Warfelg]

Now, Tucker is chiming in... again to reiterate Morey should have to the end of the month to clean-up his mess including Tucker and any other malcontents

What did he say?

What he should be saying is apologizing for being a TOTAL ZERO on the offensive end.

When Harden goes, PJ Tucker needs to go with him.

That Harden is his bro and that means more.

[Bum Adebayo]

I barely checked any basketball news this summer, and what I see is that our situation is looking far worse than last season lmfao

[Bum Adebayo]

Harden can GTFO, Embiid you have to trade him fast, team over players always ALWAYS. The first step to our rebuild is to improve culture, I would rather be a team like Heat, who made two finals while having less supposed "potential" than this collection of unlikable players and characters.
We are not close to winning a championship, why keep Embiid? he will start to decline and depreciate as soon as next season, with a non contending team, the best time to trade him is today.

[Jailblazers7]

PJ did the NBA equivalent of “bros before hoes”

[Iverson Armband]

PJ did the NBA equivalent of “bros before hoes”

He also did the equivalent of “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”

[Philly's Best]

Harden can GTFO, Embiid you have to trade him fast, team over players always ALWAYS. The first step to our rebuild is to improve culture, I would rather be a team like Heat, who made two finals while having less supposed "potential" than this collection of unlikable players and characters.
We are not close to winning a championship, why keep Embiid? he will start to decline and depreciate as soon as next season, with a non contending team, the best time to trade him is today.

This 100%. Make Morey do it as he will extract the most. Then fire him for creating the dumpster fire. I've seen this done in the corporate world for 30 years.

[Jhawk03]

I miss the good ole days were comments like "This is August on RealGM. Not much else to discuss!." was a thing after Embiid trolls about winning a title here or somewhere else.