Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[DreamTeam09]

depth wins you regular season games, stars win you playoff games.

Listen these one liners are never correct, it just leaves out too much context. It's a mixture of both everytime. In this case it's depth and star(s) that makes a championship squad. You need to be both good defensively and offensively

Bruce Brown AG Christian Braun stole playoff games and quarters and halfs along their way to a championship last year, Caleb Martin is the definition of role player playing like a star,

Im just saying, depth is a lot more important in the regular season than it is in the playoffs.

Well it's 82 games vs 16 wins so yeah, but it'd be disingenuous and wrong to say depth is not needed for a championship run

[OakleyDokely]

Listen these one liners are never correct, it just leaves out too much context. It's a mixture of both everytime. In this case it's depth and star(s) that makes a championship squad. You need to be both good defensively and offensively

Bruce Brown AG Christian Braun stole playoff games and quarters and halfs along their way to a championship last year, Caleb Martin is the definition of role player playing like a star,

Im just saying, depth is a lot more important in the regular season than it is in the playoffs.

Well it's 82 games vs 16 wins so yeah, but it'd be disingenuous and wrong to say depth is not needed for a championship run

I didn't say it wasn't need, just that it's not as important. In the regular season, you could use up to 12 key guys during the season. In the playoffs, you need 6-7 core guys.

[OakleyDokely]

In the title year, the Raps would regularly play 10 guys around 18+ minutes in a typical regular season. During the playoffs, only 7 guys averaged more than 18.

[JRoy]

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[ArthurVandelay]

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The mods on this forum allow robust debate and the fans here are passionate but (usually) reasonable, unlike a couple other pussified forums I could name.

Pussified - lol

I learned a new word today

[docholliday99]

Im just saying, depth is a lot more important in the regular season than it is in the playoffs.

Well it's 82 games vs 16 wins so yeah, but it'd be disingenuous and wrong to say depth is not needed for a championship run

I didn't say it wasn't need, just that it's not as important. In the regular season, you could use up to 12 key guys during the season. In the playoffs, you need 6-7 core guys.

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

[refshateRaps]

Shut up and get Dame

We are hopeless in the playoffs without a scoring threat

[OakleyDokely]

Well it's 82 games vs 16 wins so yeah, but it'd be disingenuous and wrong to say depth is not needed for a championship run

I didn't say it wasn't need, just that it's not as important. In the regular season, you could use up to 12 key guys during the season. In the playoffs, you need 6-7 core guys.

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

[ArthurVandelay]

I didn't say it wasn't need, just that it's not as important. In the regular season, you could use up to 12 key guys during the season. In the playoffs, you need 6-7 core guys.

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

There is always an outlier. 2004 Pistons always comes to mind in this debate. But overall I agree, you needs at least 1 star. The less stars, the more and better depth.

[docholliday99]

I didn't say it wasn't need, just that it's not as important. In the regular season, you could use up to 12 key guys during the season. In the playoffs, you need 6-7 core guys.

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

100% agree with you, definitely need at least 2 stars and quality role players to win it all. As for deeper depth, I'm not meaning just for positioning, but to also offset the minutes for the starters during the regular season to save them for the playoffs - so I 100% agree with DreamTeam09.

The new CBA though will parity this all out and keeping depth will be more difficult.

[OakleyDokely]

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

There is always an outlier. 2004 Pistons always comes to mind in this debate. But overall I agree, you needs at least 1 star. The less stars, the more and better depth.

And even that Pistons team, while they didn't a "superstar", they still had plenty of stars. They had the DPOY and Hamilton/Rasheed/Billups went to multiple allstar games.

[OakleyDokely]

This sounds like a contradiction, I mean 10-12 key guys sounds like depth when you consider it's a 15 man roster. If you don't have the "12 key guys" to take the grind of the 82 game season, you have to over-use the starters and they won't be as fresh for the playoffs. Seems like you need depth to increase the chances of success in the playoffs.

It depends on how seriously you take the regular season. If you want to get the highest seed possible, quality depth definitely helps.

But you can't win in the playoffs without star power, regardless of how great your depth is, so you need to prioritize acquiring stars above all else to have a shot at a title.

100% agree with you, definitely need at least 2 stars and quality role players to win it all. As for deeper depth, I'm not meaning just for positioning, but to also offset the minutes for the starters during the regular season to save them for the playoffs - so I 100% agree with DreamTeam09.

The new CBA though will parity this all out and keeping depth will be more difficult.

A team like MIL doesn't have quality depth but they just play the depth they have in order to preserve their starters, even if it means not winning as many regular season games. They'd be a 60 win team every year if they had a top end bench or if they played their starters heavy minutes. .

[NinjaBro]

Shut up and get Dame

We are hopeless in the playoffs without a scoring threat

I actually think we'd be much better with Vanvleet gone. Last year it was FVV taking every shot with his 39% FG. We're much better without him. It will be the Rudy Gay effect when he was gone our team got so much better when Lowry and demar took over. I'm expecting the same thing this year with OG, Trent and Barnes taking a step up without that ballhog here anymore and the coach that enabled him.

Thank the lord that both these cancers are gone from the team.

[refshateRaps]

Shut up and get Dame

We are hopeless in the playoffs without a scoring threat

I actually think we'd be much better with Vanvleet gone. Last year it was FVV taking every shot with his 39% FG. We're much better without him. It will be the Rudy Gay effect when he was gone our team got so much better when Lowry and demar took over. I'm expecting the same thing this year with OG, Trent and Barnes taking a step up without that ballhog here anymore and the coach that enabled him.

Thank the lord that both these cancers are gone from the team.

In the regular season, sure. Playoffs you need an alpha not just to close but to end runs. Pascal is not that guy. But were doing it again.

[NinjaBro]

Shut up and get Dame

We are hopeless in the playoffs without a scoring threat

I actually think we'd be much better with Vanvleet gone. Last year it was FVV taking every shot with his 39% FG. We're much better without him. It will be the Rudy Gay effect when he was gone our team got so much better when Lowry and demar took over. I'm expecting the same thing this year with OG, Trent and Barnes taking a step up without that ballhog here anymore and the coach that enabled him.

Thank the lord that both these cancers are gone from the team.

In the regular season, sure. Playoffs you need an alpha not just to close but to end runs. Pascal is not that guy. But were doing it again.

I'd be perfectly fine with having Dame on our team. I don't believe POR fans know what a great tandem Dame and Siakam is. They perfectly complement each other and Dame has a few good years left and Siakam in his prime. Only problem is we are a bad trade parter for Portland. They'd want Barnes and that's a non starter. If Dame was 3 years younger I would do it, can't risk it at Dames current age. Shame because I think Dame and Siakam would be a perfect pairing and they would unlock each other's potential to be the best versions of themselves.

[ItsDanger]

The win now crowd doesn't want Dame, too old, too expensive. Rather build around the margins and run the treadmill.

[will]

Shut up and get Dame

We are hopeless in the playoffs without a scoring threat

Does a deal come with a healthy calf for Dame?

Mans game played numbers due to his calf the past 2 seasons is wild.

[will]

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You've spoken too soon.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

wanna know whats crazy? the raps board Dame trade thread is larger than the Dame trade thread on the blazers board, wild stuff, I see why a certain someone stays engaging out chere

This is a great board.

Ehhh..

[Senbonzakura]

The win now crowd doesn't want Dame, too old, too expensive. Rather build around the margins and run the treadmill.

Evaluate. Accumulate. Participate.