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Post#381 » by Note30 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:29 am

shrink wrote:I think Ant is our best player, but I also think that we would make the playoffs without him.

Conley and SloMo are players that can control games. If Ant missed the season, we would have a veteran team with those two, Towns and Gobert, which should overwhelm many teams trying to place very young players in important roles. In addition, even without Ant. our size would overwhelm several teams, like OKC in the play in. Finally, I would assume that we would have a better record this year against bad teams simply on professionalism, and it’s not the first year here for many of our major pieces.

So if I believe we could make the playoffs without Ant, imagine what I think we can do this season WITH him!


We barely made the playoffs without our second best player who missed 51 games.
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Post#382 » by Note30 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:31 am

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:How about you believe he is our best player.
Main reason is a very long ways off from the one and only solely reason. If we are a lottery team without him then we aren't going to win a championship. I don't think we are a lottery team without Ant and hopefully we never have to find out.


Objectively he's our best player there's no question about it. Who would you place ahead of him?

If Ant were to get injured tomorrow and miss the season we'd be lucky to scrape 40 wins at best. Realistically more like in the 30s range. Hell we were missing Towns and we barely scrapped 42. Those are just the facts.

Ant was more often than not the only real offense we had down the stretch with Conley, McDaniels, Anderson, and Gobert on the floor. It was painful to watch us score and it took a lot of effort. The few games late in the season Ant was out? There was one crazy fluke game by Prince, the rest were painful to watch with the only scoring coming from our bench in Reid.

On the defensive side of the ball he's our second best perimeter player behind McDaniels. Case could be made for NAW, but he gets super limited minutes and hardly contributes the same way on offense.

So yeah it's not just me thinking he's our best player, he is.

Most people would now think he is our best player. Going into last season ESPN had him as our 3rd best player. KAT may still be better. If Gobert returns to his Utah form he may be better. I would agree with you that he is our best player. However, we have a lot of talent on this team besides Ant. If we win a title it's not going to be because Ant is great and everybody else sucks. It will take everybody playing up to their potential.


I didn't say everyone else sucks. If we do win a title it's because Ant will be an elite MVP level player because frankly no one else on this team can carry the offense load quite like he has the potential too.
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Re: Anthony Edwards Thread: Part Two (Read First Post) 

Post#383 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:23 am

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Objectively he's our best player there's no question about it. Who would you place ahead of him?

If Ant were to get injured tomorrow and miss the season we'd be lucky to scrape 40 wins at best. Realistically more like in the 30s range. Hell we were missing Towns and we barely scrapped 42. Those are just the facts.

Ant was more often than not the only real offense we had down the stretch with Conley, McDaniels, Anderson, and Gobert on the floor. It was painful to watch us score and it took a lot of effort. The few games late in the season Ant was out? There was one crazy fluke game by Prince, the rest were painful to watch with the only scoring coming from our bench in Reid.

On the defensive side of the ball he's our second best perimeter player behind McDaniels. Case could be made for NAW, but he gets super limited minutes and hardly contributes the same way on offense.

So yeah it's not just me thinking he's our best player, he is.

Most people would now think he is our best player. Going into last season ESPN had him as our 3rd best player. KAT may still be better. If Gobert returns to his Utah form he may be better. I would agree with you that he is our best player. However, we have a lot of talent on this team besides Ant. If we win a title it's not going to be because Ant is great and everybody else sucks. It will take everybody playing up to their potential.


I didn't say everyone else sucks. If we do win a title it's because Ant will be an elite MVP level player because frankly no one else on this team can carry the offense load quite like he has the potential too.

You didn't say everyone else sucks, but you are not giving nearly enough credit to our other talent. KAT can easily average 25 points a game so we do have another big time scorer on the roster other than Ant. IMO you need to back off on your we can win a title with Ant being great and everybody else being the Pips to Ant's Gladys Knight. It will not happen. If KAT, Gobert and Jaden don't shine in their own rights no title. Our title will be won by everybody (Ant included) merging into one beautiful, cohesive, well oiled machine.
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Post#384 » by minimus » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:41 am

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I find it interesting to think about: in national team Edwards plays in high paced offense, but Ant still insists that they should find their bigs more. Bigs are JJJ and Walker Kessler, and Banchero and Portis as smallball bigs.

I think we should keep eye on this development story, i.e. how Edwards will look playing next to multiple shooter in FIBA environment.
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Post#385 » by TimberKat » Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:13 pm

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I find it interesting to think about: in national team Edwards plays in high paced offense, but Ant still insists that they should find their bigs more. Bigs are JJJ and Walker Kessler, and Banchero and Portis as smallball bigs.

I think we should keep eye on this development story, i.e. how Edwards will look playing next to multiple shooter in FIBA environment.

I am so glad he is saying that and hope he does in game situations. Someone mentioned the international games are great place to recruit players. It almost feel like Kerr is trying to recruit Ant to GSW with the style of play and comments. I hope we never see a Klay for Ant trade in the future.
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Post#386 » by Note30 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:08 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:Most people would now think he is our best player. Going into last season ESPN had him as our 3rd best player. KAT may still be better. If Gobert returns to his Utah form he may be better. I would agree with you that he is our best player. However, we have a lot of talent on this team besides Ant. If we win a title it's not going to be because Ant is great and everybody else sucks. It will take everybody playing up to their potential.


I didn't say everyone else sucks. If we do win a title it's because Ant will be an elite MVP level player because frankly no one else on this team can carry the offense load quite like he has the potential too.

You didn't say everyone else sucks, but you are not giving nearly enough credit to our other talent. KAT can easily average 25 points a game so we do have another big time scorer on the roster other than Ant. IMO you need to back off on your we can win a title with Ant being great and everybody else being the Pips to Ant's Gladys Knight. It will not happen. If KAT, Gobert and Jaden don't shine in their own rights no title. Our title will be won by everybody (Ant included) merging into one beautiful, cohesive, well oiled machine.


Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.
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Re: Anthony Edwards Thread: Part Two (Read First Post) 

Post#387 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:21 pm

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I didn't say everyone else sucks. If we do win a title it's because Ant will be an elite MVP level player because frankly no one else on this team can carry the offense load quite like he has the potential too.

You didn't say everyone else sucks, but you are not giving nearly enough credit to our other talent. KAT can easily average 25 points a game so we do have another big time scorer on the roster other than Ant. IMO you need to back off on your we can win a title with Ant being great and everybody else being the Pips to Ant's Gladys Knight. It will not happen. If KAT, Gobert and Jaden don't shine in their own rights no title. Our title will be won by everybody (Ant included) merging into one beautiful, cohesive, well oiled machine.


Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.

We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.
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Post#388 » by Note30 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:56 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:You didn't say everyone else sucks, but you are not giving nearly enough credit to our other talent. KAT can easily average 25 points a game so we do have another big time scorer on the roster other than Ant. IMO you need to back off on your we can win a title with Ant being great and everybody else being the Pips to Ant's Gladys Knight. It will not happen. If KAT, Gobert and Jaden don't shine in their own rights no title. Our title will be won by everybody (Ant included) merging into one beautiful, cohesive, well oiled machine.


Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.

We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.


By that logic, Jokic is just one player, so is Curry, Giannis, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Sure.

But those players are the reason their teams won. It's why we glorify them, it's why Finals MVP awards exist, it's why entire groups fight about who brings the most value.

Of course they need everyone on the team to play their part, but they are the major reason that team got there. And just as likely, Ant will be the major reason if we ever get there.
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Post#389 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:49 pm

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Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.

We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.


By that logic, Jokic is just one player, so is Curry, Giannis, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Sure.

But those players are the reason their teams won. It's why we glorify them, it's why Finals MVP awards exist, it's why entire groups fight about who brings the most value.

Of course they need everyone on the team to play their part, but they are the major reason that team got there. And just as likely, Ant will be the major reason if we ever get there.

You said solely. As in the one and only player that will matter when we win our championship. That is not going to happen without others playing great. Even Jordan couldn't win until Pippen joined him. Ant will only win a finals MVP if KAT/Gobert and McDaniels are playing great. How many titles did Curry win without Klay? LeBron without Kyrie or Wade. Kobe actually had a really poor NBA finals, but was bailed out by Pau, Fisher and Bynum balling out. If all you want to say is you think Ant will be our best player that is likely. If you think we can win with Ant playing great, but others not? It's never going to happen. We've dragged this out long enough. I called out your SOLELY statement. You seem to be changing the goalposts to he will be our best player.
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Post#390 » by Klomp » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:15 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Note30 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.


By that logic, Jokic is just one player, so is Curry, Giannis, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Sure.

But those players are the reason their teams won. It's why we glorify them, it's why Finals MVP awards exist, it's why entire groups fight about who brings the most value.

Of course they need everyone on the team to play their part, but they are the major reason that team got there. And just as likely, Ant will be the major reason if we ever get there.

You said solely. As in the one and only player that will matter when we win our championship. That is not going to happen without others playing great. Even Jordan couldn't win until Pippen joined him. Ant will only win a finals MVP if KAT/Gobert and McDaniels are playing great. How many titles did Curry win without Klay? LeBron without Kyrie or Wade. Kobe actually had a really poor NBA finals, but was bailed out by Pau, Fisher and Bynum balling out. If all you want to say is you think Ant will be our best player that is likely. If you think we can win with Ant playing great, but others not? It's never going to happen. We've dragged this out long enough. I called out your SOLELY statement. You seem to be changing the goalposts to he will be our best player.

So you proceeded to derail this thread for 20 posts over 1 word? Just say what your issue is off the top so we can keep the discussion moving...
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Post#391 » by KGdaBom » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:42 pm

Klomp wrote:
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By that logic, Jokic is just one player, so is Curry, Giannis, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc.

Sure.

But those players are the reason their teams won. It's why we glorify them, it's why Finals MVP awards exist, it's why entire groups fight about who brings the most value.

Of course they need everyone on the team to play their part, but they are the major reason that team got there. And just as likely, Ant will be the major reason if we ever get there.

You said solely. As in the one and only player that will matter when we win our championship. That is not going to happen without others playing great. Even Jordan couldn't win until Pippen joined him. Ant will only win a finals MVP if KAT/Gobert and McDaniels are playing great. How many titles did Curry win without Klay? LeBron without Kyrie or Wade. Kobe actually had a really poor NBA finals, but was bailed out by Pau, Fisher and Bynum balling out. If all you want to say is you think Ant will be our best player that is likely. If you think we can win with Ant playing great, but others not? It's never going to happen. We've dragged this out long enough. I called out your SOLELY statement. You seem to be changing the goalposts to he will be our best player.

So you proceeded to derail this thread for 20 posts over 1 word? Just say what your issue is off the top so we can keep the discussion moving...

Those kind of statements trigger me. However, notice I called an end to it. Only you extended it :lol:
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Post#392 » by younggunsmn » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:47 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:You didn't say everyone else sucks, but you are not giving nearly enough credit to our other talent. KAT can easily average 25 points a game so we do have another big time scorer on the roster other than Ant. IMO you need to back off on your we can win a title with Ant being great and everybody else being the Pips to Ant's Gladys Knight. It will not happen. If KAT, Gobert and Jaden don't shine in their own rights no title. Our title will be won by everybody (Ant included) merging into one beautiful, cohesive, well oiled machine.


Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.

We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.


It's easy to look at your team in a vacuum and say wow they are talented.
We don't play in a vacuum, we play against 29 other teams who are also very talented and have guys who can score 25 PPG.
All those wolves lottery teams in the mid 2010's had a lot of talent.

What is the separator that elevates teams from teams with talent to potential title contenders?
1. Superstars. Particularly superstars who are also very good 2-way players.
It's not easy to stick out among the most talented athletes in the world and clearly be a tier above everyone else.
2. Teams that are rock solid on both sides of the ball.

Ant is continuing to progress along the pathway to being a 2-way superstar.
Point blank, his ceiling is our ceiling.
KAT had that potential at one time, those days are long gone.

Denver won because their entire rotation was rock solid on both sides of the ball, same for those Warriors teams, guys who had been weaker defenders like Curry and Thompson stepped up to the plate and shored up their weakness.
Murray did the same thing last year for the Nuggets not only playing good D but being disruptive.

Who is going to step up like that for us? Is Kat going to stop the whining and start moving his feet on D and putting more effort into keeping his hands from flying all over the place hooking and fouling>
Is Gobert going to accept his limitations and concentrate on keeping good spacing and setting good picks on offense instead of lob chasing all the time, and actually create some lanes for one of the most gifted rim attackers in the world instead of getting in his way all the damn time?
Is Jaden going to take that next step offensively?

Great players don't win championships by themselves.
But when they do, their teammates are all rowing in the same direction, and they understand who is steering the boat.
I don't know that that is the case with the Wolves, it certainly wasn't last year.
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Post#393 » by Note30 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:21 am

younggunsmn wrote:

Ant is continuing to progress along the pathway to being a 2-way superstar.
Point blank, his ceiling is our ceiling.


This.
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Post#394 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:01 am

younggunsmn wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
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Good luck with that. There's no question that every player is important in a championship but there is a hierarchy.

Take the last Finals, the Nuggets are Jokics team. Without him that team is pretty whatever, yes all pieces needed to be there to win the chip but he is unquestionably the main piece.

If you think this gonna be a Spurs 2012-2014 like effort where every starting player is almost equally valuable you are wrong.

This team lives and dies by Ants growth.

We have loads of talent and everybody needs to do their part. Will Ant's part be the most significant? Probably, but he's just one player and we won't win or lose solely based on what he does.


It's easy to look at your team in a vacuum and say wow they are talented.
We don't play in a vacuum, we play against 29 other teams who are also very talented and have guys who can score 25 PPG.
All those wolves lottery teams in the mid 2010's had a lot of talent.

What is the separator that elevates teams from teams with talent to potential title contenders?
1. Superstars. Particularly superstars who are also very good 2-way players.
It's not easy to stick out among the most talented athletes in the world and clearly be a tier above everyone else.
2. Teams that are rock solid on both sides of the ball.

Ant is continuing to progress along the pathway to being a 2-way superstar.
Point blank, his ceiling is our ceiling.
KAT had that potential at one time, those days are long gone.

Denver won because their entire rotation was rock solid on both sides of the ball, same for those Warriors teams, guys who had been weaker defenders like Curry and Thompson stepped up to the plate and shored up their weakness.
Murray did the same thing last year for the Nuggets not only playing good D but being disruptive.

Who is going to step up like that for us? Is Kat going to stop the whining and start moving his feet on D and putting more effort into keeping his hands from flying all over the place hooking and fouling>
Is Gobert going to accept his limitations and concentrate on keeping good spacing and setting good picks on offense instead of lob chasing all the time, and actually create some lanes for one of the most gifted rim attackers in the world instead of getting in his way all the damn time?
Is Jaden going to take that next step offensively?

Great players don't win championships by themselves.
But when they do, their teammates are all rowing in the same direction, and they understand who is steering the boat.
I don't know that that is the case with the Wolves, it certainly wasn't last year.

Good post, but notice the word superstars plural. I disagree with you that KAT's potentially being a superstar is long gone. There are lots of talented teams but we have more than most if not all those other teams. We can do big things. I still see Rudy returning to DPoY form or close to it. Maybe McDaniel's wins the DPoY.
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Post#395 » by minimus » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:13 am

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Post#398 » by Guest84 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:29 pm

Well fellas it's starting. Ant is getting so much national attention now and they're already trying to push him out of MN. I heard one media person say, "he's been in the league for 3-4 years already and MN isn't doing anything to help him". They also said MN better give him the keys as if that didn't start already.

Can players have time to develop and earn it? Can players start their extension before requesting a trade?? Smh
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There's some of the normal idiocy to weed through, but the general feel of the conversation is positive
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Post#400 » by TimberKat » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:01 pm

Guest84 wrote:Well fellas it's starting. Ant is getting so much national attention now and they're already trying to push him out of MN. I heard one media person say, "he's been in the league for 3-4 years already and MN isn't doing anything to help him". They also said MN better give him the keys as if that didn't start already.

Can players have time to develop and earn it? Can players start their extension before requesting a trade?? Smh

Not surprised at all. Wolves should trade him to NYK for 5 first round picks and Quickley before he demands a trade. Wolves need to recoup the Gobert lost picks and rebuild for the future. Maybe trade him to Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie and 5 2nd round picks

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