FIBA World Cup 2023 : GERMANY are the new World Champions! (takes on the world and beats it for once...)

[greekman]

not to be picky but american players who didn't play include
jimmy butler
zion williamson
damian lilllard
trae young
steph curry
bradley beal
anthony davis
lebron james
ja morant
kevin durant
MPW, embiid
jayson tatum
james harden
cade cunningham
paul george
daaron fox
kawhi leonard
donovan mitchell
zach lavine
demar derozen
klay thompson
tyrese maxey
cj mccollum
tobias harris
devin booker
bam adabayo
kyrie irving
dejuante murray
russell westbrook
dangelo russell
aaron gordon
khris middleton
jrue holiday
mike conley
caris levert
julius randle
desmond bane
spencer dinwiddie
fred vanvleet

But how many would have made the team? Trae Young said he wanted to go, he just wasnt invited. And you really dont need to reach for Embiid.

I am not arguing that USA has by far the most untapped talent here, but any country can make a list like that, THe relevant are only those who were invited but declined.

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considering porzingis even on crutches traveled with his team and doncic played the entire tournament on a broken leg. kd, kawhi, butler, steph curry, harden, booker, zion, trae, donovan etc have no excuse. could form 2 gold medal teams. the 2 best players in the finals aren't even the among the 2 best players on their nba teams.

[Johnny Tomala]

To sums up the awards:
TCL Player of the Game in the Final - Franz Wagner
MVP of the tournament - Dennis Schröder
Wanda Rising Star - Josh Giddey
Best Defensive Player - Dillon Brooks
Best Coach - Luca Banchi
All Tournament First Team - Dennis Schröder, Luka Doncić, Anthony Edwards, Bogdan Bogdanović, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
All Tournament Second Team - Simone Fontecchio, Arturs Zagars, Jonas Valančiūnas, Nikola Milutinov, Franz Wagner

[Richard4444]

the truth is Australia, Germany, Spain, Serbia, Lithuania sent their A squads.
Canada, Latvia, France sent their B squads
USA sent their D squad

Lithuania missed 6 players.
Serbia missed 3 players.
Spain only Rubio I guess.

USA Sent b-/c squad at worst.

canada missed potentially 5 players including the possible nba finals mvp's from last year and the year before. and the player portland is building around after they trade lillard.

Is Scoot Canadian?

[lambchop]

not to be picky but american players who didn't play include
jimmy butler
zion williamson
damian lilllard
trae young
steph curry
bradley beal
anthony davis
lebron james
ja morant
kevin durant

Spoiler:

MPW, embiid
jayson tatum
james harden
cade cunningham
paul george
daaron fox
kawhi leonard
donovan mitchell
zach lavine
demar derozen
klay thompson
tyrese maxey
cj mccollum
tobias harris
devin booker
bam adabayo
kyrie irving
dejuante murray
russell westbrook
dangelo russell
aaron gordon
khris middleton
jrue holiday
mike conley
caris levert
julius randle
desmond bane
spencer dinwiddie

fred vanvleet

But how many would have made the team? Trae Young said he wanted to go, he just wasnt invited. And you really dont need to reach for Embiid.

I am not arguing that USA has by far the most untapped talent here, but any country can make a list like that, THe relevant are only those who were invited but declined.

Yea the list includes guys that didn't make the team, even guys that were available, like Cunningham. And it includes players that have other priorities, for example Zion and Ja, and ones where them playing additional minutes would be unthinkable so Kawhi and AD basically.

But do you really have Dinwiddie, Levert level players ahead of guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Bridges?

[UcanUwill]

the truth is Australia, Germany, Spain, Serbia, Lithuania sent their A squads.
Canada, Latvia, France sent their B squads
USA sent their D squad

Lithuania sent their A squad, are you high? Half the team that didnt play would beat Lithuania team in this tournament most likely (Sabonis, Kulboka, Ulanovas, Grignonis, Lekavicius, Echodas, Butkevicius...). Bruh.

Also Giedraitis and the center who played for Armani, keep forgetting his name.

Man, I keep forgetting Giedraitis. Yes, Giedraitis would be on this team.

ANd do you think of Artūras Gudaitis? Gudaitis is washed sadly, he was terrible last year, will play in Japan this upcoming season. I named Echodas, because he probably would have been that third center, because since having Motiejunas and Valanciunas already, makes no sense to have another slow big.

I mean, their third best center really is Birutis right now, but as I said, he is just worse version of Valanciunas, so he just makes no sense in this rotation.

Bottom line, Lithuania alone could make a double digit Greekman list of relevant players who could have easily played here.

[Message Boar]

What were Germany's odds going into the tournament, does anyone know?

2023 FIBA World Cup Betting Odds
USA -170
Australia +850
Serbia +900
France +1200
Canada +1400
Slovenia +1500
Spain+2000
Greece +2200
Germany +4200
Italy +5500
Lithuania +6500
Brazil +6500
Latvia +12000
Japan +12000

Thank you. Ninth then, not bad. Not a complete shock but still a dark horse. I am guessing that them not being a "name" team/not having a huge track record of international achievements also had something to do with their odds being on the low end.

Another angle: I recall reading that whatever team knocks out the US usually doesn't win the next match or the whole tournament, because it's just such an emotional high that it's hard to get back to that level of focus. Good job by the Germans keeping their eyes on the prize.

[UcanUwill]

Lithuania missed 6 players.
Serbia missed 3 players.
Spain only Rubio I guess.

USA Sent b-/c squad at worst.

canada missed potentially 5 players including the possible nba finals mvp's from last year and the year before. and the player portland is building around after they trade lillard.

Is Scoot Canadian?

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[UcanUwill]

What were Germany's odds going into the tournament, does anyone know?

2023 FIBA World Cup Betting Odds
USA -170
Australia +850
Serbia +900
France +1200
Canada +1400
Slovenia +1500
Spain+2000
Greece +2200
Germany +4200
Italy +5500
Lithuania +6500
Brazil +6500
Latvia +12000
Japan +12000

Thank you. Ninth then, not bad. Not a complete shock but still a dark horse. I am guessing that them not being a "name" team/not having a huge track record of international achievements also had something to do with their odds being on the low end.

Another angle: I recall reading that whatever team knocks out the US usually doesn't win the next match or the whole tournament, because it's just such an emotional high that it's hard to get back to that level of focus. Good job by the Germans keeping their eyes on the prize.

These had to be ebfore rosters were announced tho, no? Because there is no way Greece would be that high.

[greekman]

not to be picky but american players who didn't play include
jimmy butler
zion williamson
damian lilllard
trae young
steph curry
bradley beal
anthony davis
lebron james
ja morant
kevin durant

Spoiler:

MPW, embiid
jayson tatum
james harden
cade cunningham
paul george
daaron fox
kawhi leonard
donovan mitchell
zach lavine
demar derozen
klay thompson
tyrese maxey
cj mccollum
tobias harris
devin booker
bam adabayo
kyrie irving
dejuante murray
russell westbrook
dangelo russell
aaron gordon
khris middleton
jrue holiday
mike conley
caris levert
julius randle
desmond bane
spencer dinwiddie

fred vanvleet

But how many would have made the team? Trae Young said he wanted to go, he just wasnt invited. And you really dont need to reach for Embiid.

I am not arguing that USA has by far the most untapped talent here, but any country can make a list like that, THe relevant are only those who were invited but declined.

Yea the list includes guys that didn't make the team, even guys that were available, like Cunningham. And it includes players that have other priorities, for example Zion and Ja, and ones where them playing additional minutes would be unthinkable so Kawhi and AD basically.

But do you really have Dinwiddie, Levert level players ahead of guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Bridges?

throw the whole roster out and go with the best talent available right now. defense is huge in fiba, zion, AD, butler, gordon are desperately needed. bane, curry, KD, lebron, lavine, tatum, trae, lillard, etc etc. haliburton would fit on a team with zion, butler, kd, curry. not one with brunson and bridges. next olypmpics could potentially be the last time lebron, kd, butler, curry could play at a high level.

[Message Boar]

I'm not sure. This article I found from the August 21st also has Germany 9th behind Greece, though with slightly different odds. I'm guessing rosters would have to be set by then right, with all teams playing plenty of warmups at that time.

( https://www.thesportsgeek.com/blog/fiba-basketball-world-cup-odds/ )

[UcanUwill]

But how many would have made the team? Trae Young said he wanted to go, he just wasnt invited. And you really dont need to reach for Embiid.

I am not arguing that USA has by far the most untapped talent here, but any country can make a list like that, THe relevant are only those who were invited but declined.

Yea the list includes guys that didn't make the team, even guys that were available, like Cunningham. And it includes players that have other priorities, for example Zion and Ja, and ones where them playing additional minutes would be unthinkable so Kawhi and AD basically.

But do you really have Dinwiddie, Levert level players ahead of guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Bridges?

throw the whole roster out and go with the best talent available right now. defense is huge in fiba, zion, AD, butler, gordon are desperately needed. bane, curry, KD, lebron, lavine, tatum, trae, lillard, etc etc. haliburton would fit on a team with zion, butler, kd, curry. not one with brunson and bridges.

You are building team like its video game. Does it really fit, you mentioned quite a few chuckers who play no defense, nor move without the ball.
Offensively, 2023 team was good, they struggled badly on defense and rebounding department. they needed enforcer big and a coach who could play him, not guys like Trae or Lavine. We saw how everyone and their momma targetted Reaves and poured points on his head, how are these two any different? Reaves was at least smart and unselfish on offense.

[bisme37]

Holy crap I just saw the Mikal Bridges play to send it to overtime. This thread must have been going nuts haha.

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[greekman]

Yea the list includes guys that didn't make the team, even guys that were available, like Cunningham. And it includes players that have other priorities, for example Zion and Ja, and ones where them playing additional minutes would be unthinkable so Kawhi and AD basically.

But do you really have Dinwiddie, Levert level players ahead of guys like Brunson, Haliburton, Bridges?

throw the whole roster out and go with the best talent available right now. defense is huge in fiba, zion, AD, butler, gordon are desperately needed. bane, curry, KD, lebron, lavine, tatum, trae, lillard, etc etc. haliburton would fit on a team with zion, butler, kd, curry. not one with brunson and bridges.

You are building team like its video game. Does it really fit, you mentioned quite a few chuckers who play no defense, nor move without the ball.
Offensively, 2023 team was good, they struggled badly on defense and rebounding department. they needed enforcer big and a coach who could play him, not guys like Trae or Lavine. We saw how everyone and their momma targetted Reaves and poured points on his head, how are these two any different?

trae gets to the line. butler can play different positions. zion instantly changes the game.

[greekman]

another thing I found strange about the US roster are the coaches. kerr has never coached any of the players on the team. same with spoelstra.

[Slurpin]

When's the next one? LeBron and Bronny to team up to avenge America!

[Message Boar]

another thing I found strange about the US roster are the coaches. kerr has never coached any of the players on the team. same with spoelstra.

Maybe the whole approach of putting a bunch of the most established nba coaches together is wrong? Perhaps it would be better if they got a full-time dedicated coach, who knows FIBA-rules basketball through and through? So someone nobody here would have heard of, basically. Not sure if it would actually be better just putting it out there.

[UcanUwill]

When's the next one? LeBron and Bronny to team up to avenge America!

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[dantas]

Zagars deserves an opportunity in NBA. Looks like a good player

To sums up the awards:
TCL Player of the Game in the Final - Franz Wagner
MVP of the tournament - Dennis Schröder
Wanda Rising Star - Josh Giddey
All Tournament Team - Dennis Schröder, Luka Doncić, Anthony Edwards, Bogdan Bogdanović, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

Dillon Brooks and Franz Wagner should take the place of Doncic and Anthony Edwards

[UcanUwill]

another thing I found strange about the US roster are the coaches. kerr has never coached any of the players on the team. same with spoelstra.

Maybe the whole approach of putting a bunch of the most established nba coaches together is wrong? Perhaps it would be better if they got a full-time dedicated coach, who knows FIBA-rules basketball through and through? So someone nobody here would have heard of, basically. Not sure if it would actually be better just putting it out there.

The strategy is to have coaching staff NBA players like. Lue, Spoelstra and Kerr, thats pretty obvious what they are doing. David Blatt is not the guy they would consider even tho he could probably medal with zero NBA players lol.

[Optimus_Steel]

American players really have no taste. How is Zion impregnating scraps while Dennis Schröder has a wife like that.

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