Dame requests a trade.

[Blazers98]

Which package is better?

Miami: Herro (no buyer for a trade), Duncan, Jovic, and 2 first rounders.
OR
Harden's expiring which we could flip to the Clips and get expirings and young guys? Paul Reed, and 2 first rounders?

Yes they both are bad trades but which one do you prefer?

[vincecarter4pres]

The million dollar question is do you play him?

actually I think the question is would Portland's leverage increase if he sat out? I can't see how it would...no chance

on the other hand if Dame play and plays at the level he did last season I think Blazer leverage would increase quite a bit

Honestly, the only thing that increases Portland’s leverage is another team making a real offer.

No one is disputing whether Dame will play at an MVP level for another season or two.

But that contract is massive, he is getting up there and he has publicly requested one team.

Not many teams want to give up real assets for that, obviously.

And he doesn’t fit the timeline or positional needs of many teams either.

This is just a standoff at this point seeing if Dame blinks, or if Miami will throw every swap possible in, along with both young kids and finding value from a third team for Herro.

That or they’re praying Brooklyn gets silly, which I honestly don’t see.

[monopoman]

The million dollar question is do you play him?

actually I think the question is would Portland's leverage increase if he sat out? I can't see how it would...no chance

on the other hand if Dame play and plays at the level he did last season I think Blazer leverage would increase quite a bit

Honestly, the only thing that increases Portland’s leverage is another team making a real offer.

No one is disputing whether Dame will play at an MVP level for another season or two.

But that contract is massive, he is getting up there and he has publicly requested one team.

Not many teams want to give up real assets for that, obviously.

And he doesn’t fit the timeline or positional needs of many teams either.

This is just a standoff at this point seeing if Dame blinks, or if Miami will throw every swap possible in, along with both young kids and finding value from a third team for Herro.

That or they’re praying Brooklyn gets silly, which I honestly don’t see.

Word is that other teams have shown some interest we just have a case of none of those deals being reported to the media. The notion that every other team doesn't view him as an upgrade is just absurd.

**** his recent comments about reporting to training camp no matter what would likely make more teams interested.

It seems like 95% of this board really thinks that the only offer this entire time has been from Miami when we don't hear about every offer. The media does not have access to every single potential trade, and this is a known thing. Sure once the trade is official we hear about it but dozens of trades a year never get past that first step and we hear about like prob 10-15% of them.

Lillard acts like he will play for every team but might not be happy, this is a far cry from someone going full bitch mode or something where he pouts at home or on the bench and refuses to play.

I have a feeling some teams might also make him appreciate being there more as time passes. Sure he might be upset for a few months but if that team wins often or is moving in the right direction he likely starts thinking it's a great fit.

[monopoman]

EAST
Boston - Has no more cap space
Milwaukee - No assets
Philadelphia - No assets (and they stated they don't want to trade Maxey, who is a bad fit like Herro anyway)

WEST

Lakers - No assets
Clippers - No assets
Pelicans - They could, but have to figure out what to do with Zion and how to unload McCollum at the same time

By this standard, you should also add:
Miami - No assets.

The only assets Miami has are Herro, 28 FRP, 30 FRP, and a couple of recent late first round players. That is a very low bar, that many other teams can pass (especially considering reports that Miami is struggling to convert Herro to a FRP + expiring contract).

Yep if Herro had value around the league at least 1 team would offer a 1st round pick and an expiring. **** if he is as good as Miami claims you are telling me NO team wants him what?

That doesn't match either they are not valuing the player or think he is overpaid. **** this doesn't even have to be attached to a Lillard deal Miami could make that trade having another follow up trade already in the works with Portland. So it's not like they have to give up Herro then hope that Portland takes the new deal if the deal was agreed upon before the fact it could happen.

[Wizenheimer]

The million dollar question is do you play him?

actually I think the question is would Portland's leverage increase if he sat out? I can't see how it would...no chance

on the other hand if Dame play and plays at the level he did last season I think Blazer leverage would increase quite a bit

. Or he gets hurt

well he's healthy now after his best season ever and Portland is getting crap offers...or worse. This 'don't-risk-injury-so-sit-him' is irrational, IMO. Again, it doesn't matter whether the decision is Dame's or Portland's, either way, if he sits, his value, already apparently low, will crater even more

the only way for Portland to actually secure a good trade is to play Dame and show they won't trade him cheaply; and, it would help a lot for Dame to expand his list of teams. Miami's assets are crap and that isn't changing. At this point, I don't think there's much chance Portland sends him to South Beach. Pat Riley has pumped way too much mud in the water and Dame's agent has overplayed his hand

[VaDe255]

Word is that other teams have shown some interest we just have a case of none of those deals being reported to the media. The notion that every other team doesn't view him as an upgrade is just absurd.

**** his recent comments about reporting to training camp no matter what would likely make more teams interested.

It seems like 95% of this board really thinks that the only offer this entire time has been from Miami when we don't hear about every offer. The media does not have access to every single potential trade, and this is a known thing. Sure once the trade is official we hear about it but dozens of trades a year never get past that first step and we hear about like prob 10-15% of them.

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?
Makes no sense to me when you are trying to get the best offer possible.
100% other teams have inquired about the asking price, but if another team is seriously interested, we hear it from Woj.

[monopoman]

Word is that other teams have shown some interest we just have a case of none of those deals being reported to the media. The notion that every other team doesn't view him as an upgrade is just absurd.

**** his recent comments about reporting to training camp no matter what would likely make more teams interested.

It seems like 95% of this board really thinks that the only offer this entire time has been from Miami when we don't hear about every offer. The media does not have access to every single potential trade, and this is a known thing. Sure once the trade is official we hear about it but dozens of trades a year never get past that first step and we hear about like prob 10-15% of them.

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?
Makes no sense to me when you are trying to get the best offer possible.
100% other teams have inquired about the asking price, but if another team is seriously interested, we hear it from Woj.

Well they might have been off put by the price after calling, we aren't really sure what Cronin is asking for but the word is it's a very high price for now. That price might get a bit better as time passes but for now it's a high price, again if Miami was close with their offer we likely would have seen a deal done. I doubt other teams are really putting out a huge offer or else we would have likely seen him put there.

Again we have to remember the Blazers want a nice package for Dame and they aren't trading him just to trade him or to make a deal easy.

It has now been 73 days since his initial trade request on July 1st, most of the time when a player is being traded it seems they either happen very fast like weeks after the request or it takes months or in some rare cases years. I would not be surprised to see the season start with Dame as a Blazer, I think they will be taking their chances with Dame at the trade deadline to see what the offers are like there.

My point is though they might not reveal every offer and again some teams might have called and been told the minimum and then said "No!" There is no way these would be reported to the media in most cases since it would be a quick conversation and no official trade offer would be made.

actually I think the question is would Portland's leverage increase if he sat out? I can't see how it would...no chance

on the other hand if Dame play and plays at the level he did last season I think Blazer leverage would increase quite a bit

. Or he gets hurt

well he's healthy now after his best season ever and Portland is getting crap offers...or worse. This 'don't-risk-injury-so-sit-him' is irrational, IMO. Again, it doesn't matter whether the decision is Dame's or Portland's, either way, if he sits, his value, already apparently low, will crater even more

the only way for Portland to actually secure a good trade is to play Dame and show they won't trade him cheaply; and, it would help a lot for Dame to expand his list of teams. Miami's assets are crap and that isn't changing. At this point, I don't think there's much chance Portland sends him to South Beach. Pat Riley has pumped way too much mud in the water and Dame's agent has overplayed his hand

The NBA has a huge issue sitting star players when healthy Dame seems to be willing to participate in team practices and training so he will likely be played. We have no clue how many minutes or if he starts but I would be stunned to see him play 0 MPG for the first 10 games of the season or something. I just can't see that happening especially since to increase his trade value Dame will want to ball, show the Heat they should trade for him at a higher cost if needed or other teams to get more involved to make the Heat pay more.

If Dame wants to be traded it's probably easier to raise his value by looking incredible then to try to crater it.

[VaDe255]

EAST
Boston - Has no more cap space
Milwaukee - No assets
Philadelphia - No assets (and they stated they don't want to trade Maxey, who is a bad fit like Herro anyway)

WEST

Lakers - No assets
Clippers - No assets
Pelicans - They could, but have to figure out what to do with Zion and how to unload McCollum at the same time

By this standard, you should also add:
Miami - No assets.

The only assets Miami has are Herro, 28 FRP, 30 FRP, and a couple of recent late first round players. That is a very low bar, that many other teams can pass (especially considering reports that Miami is struggling to convert Herro to a FRP + expiring contract).

Yep if Herro had value around the league at least 1 team would offer a 1st round pick and an expiring. **** if he is as good as Miami claims you are telling me NO team wants him what?

That doesn't match either they are not valuing the player or think he is overpaid. **** this doesn't even have to be attached to a Lillard deal Miami could make that trade having another follow up trade already in the works with Portland. So it's not like they have to give up Herro then hope that Portland takes the new deal if the deal was agreed upon before the fact it could happen.

I don't know why you have to trash Herro. His value is debatable and there are different reports about it. Who reported they would not be able to get a FRP for him?

Miami isn't just gonna trade him for a FRP + expiring and then come to Portland with a better offer, because they aren't trading him unless the return is Dame in a 3 team trade.

You can trash him all you want, but facts are he is a prooven young NBA player averaging 20 ppg on a winning team and is yet to enter his prime years. He is at least a starter on a playoff team and could even be an all star level player.
He doesn't have drug, gun, mental problems or ever made any drama and has a good work ethic.

[JRoy]

By this standard, you should also add:
Miami - No assets.

The only assets Miami has are Herro, 28 FRP, 30 FRP, and a couple of recent late first round players. That is a very low bar, that many other teams can pass (especially considering reports that Miami is struggling to convert Herro to a FRP + expiring contract).

Yep if Herro had value around the league at least 1 team would offer a 1st round pick and an expiring. **** if he is as good as Miami claims you are telling me NO team wants him what?

That doesn't match either they are not valuing the player or think he is overpaid. **** this doesn't even have to be attached to a Lillard deal Miami could make that trade having another follow up trade already in the works with Portland. So it's not like they have to give up Herro then hope that Portland takes the new deal if the deal was agreed upon before the fact it could happen.

I don't know why you have to trash Herro. His value is debatable and there are different reports about it. Who reported they would not be able to get a FRP for him?

Miami isn't just gonna trade him for a FRP + expiring and then come to Portland with a better offer, because they aren't trading him unless the return is Dame in a 3 team trade.

You can trash him all you want, but facts are he is a prooven young NBA player averaging 20 ppg on a winning team and is yet to enter his prime years. He is at least a starter on a playoff team and could even be an all star level player.
He doesn't have drug, gun, mental problems or ever made any drama and has a good work ethic.

Cool.

Move him for assets or forget it. Don’t want him.

Who does he beat out for the all star game?


Lol.

[BlazersBroncos]

Yep if Herro had value around the league at least 1 team would offer a 1st round pick and an expiring. **** if he is as good as Miami claims you are telling me NO team wants him what?

That doesn't match either they are not valuing the player or think he is overpaid. **** this doesn't even have to be attached to a Lillard deal Miami could make that trade having another follow up trade already in the works with Portland. So it's not like they have to give up Herro then hope that Portland takes the new deal if the deal was agreed upon before the fact it could happen.

I don't know why you have to trash Herro. His value is debatable and there are different reports about it. Who reported they would not be able to get a FRP for him?

Miami isn't just gonna trade him for a FRP + expiring and then come to Portland with a better offer, because they aren't trading him unless the return is Dame in a 3 team trade.

You can trash him all you want, but facts are he is a prooven young NBA player averaging 20 ppg on a winning team and is yet to enter his prime years. He is at least a starter on a playoff team and could even be an all star level player.
He doesn't have drug, gun, mental problems or ever made any drama and has a good work ethic.

Cool.

Move him for assets or forget it. Don’t want him.

Who does he beat out for the all star game?


Lol.

Herro shouldnt even be in the conversation. We already have our own overpaid 6th man who doesnt play good defense and does little else on the floor outside score. We 100% have 100% no interest in Herro. If PDX assigned any value to Tyler the deal would be done.

[m0ng0]

actually I think the question is would Portland's leverage increase if he sat out? I can't see how it would...no chance

on the other hand if Dame play and plays at the level he did last season I think Blazer leverage would increase quite a bit

. Or he gets hurt

well he's healthy now after his best season ever and Portland is getting crap offers...or worse. This 'don't-risk-injury-so-sit-him' is irrational, IMO. Again, it doesn't matter whether the decision is Dame's or Portland's, either way, if he sits, his value, already apparently low, will crater even more

the only way for Portland to actually secure a good trade is to play Dame and show they won't trade him cheaply; and, it would help a lot for Dame to expand his list of teams. Miami's assets are crap and that isn't changing. At this point, I don't think there's much chance Portland sends him to South Beach. Pat Riley has pumped way too much mud in the water and Dame's agent has overplayed his hand

Nothing against Dame, but these kids need as much experience as they can get, will Dame be a good guy and coach up these guys or will be be aloof and just collect his paycheck jacking up meaningless shots?

He made his own bed, now sleep in it, his value is what it is, not playing him is the safest way to to not diminish his value by not playing well or getting hurt and possibly hurting team chemistry. We are not really trying to win games this year, we are developing talent. Dame playing is a lose lose especially if we are winning

[ebott]

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?

Yes.
The Blazers don't want to trade Dame.
It's very easy for them to not trade him if Miami is the only public suitor cause everyone knows they don't have assets that are attractive to your Portland Trailblazers.

[VaDe255]

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?

Yes.
The Blazers don't want to trade Dame.
It's very easy for them to not trade him if Miami is the only public suitor cause everyone knows they don't have assets that are attractive to your Portland Trailblazers.

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

[Goldbum]

We should have passed on Knox and signed Queta

[DiegoChara]

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?

Yes.
The Blazers don't want to trade Dame.
It's very easy for them to not trade him if Miami is the only public suitor cause everyone knows they don't have assets that are attractive to your Portland Trailblazers.

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

What was publicly reported early in the process was the Blazers wanted 4 firsts and 2 quality players. I’d say that’s the general roadmap. And they may not get it, but that’s a decent gauge on the initial ask. Obviously we don’t really know what exactly has been communicated between the organizations.

I’m sure there’s frustration on the Heat side and a reluctance to bid against themself. Understandably. On the other hand, you don’t need a counteroffer to make another offer. The Heat know whatever offer they’ve made so far wasn’t enough. They know what other assets they have that weren’t in the existing offer.

The “we don’t know what the Blazers want” stuff just seems like spin to me. Just a way to paint the Blazers as being unreasonable in their handling of the situation. Obviously the Blazers want young talent and draft capital, and they don’t want that young talented to play guard. Mystery solved.

[tester551]

We should have passed on Knox and signed Queta

Agreed.
Any idea what the guarantee on the Knox contract is?

[zzaj]

You really think the Blazers would keep it quite, if there was another team with a serious offer?

Yes.
The Blazers don't want to trade Dame.
It's very easy for them to not trade him if Miami is the only public suitor cause everyone knows they don't have assets that are attractive to your Portland Trailblazers.

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

Again with the treating empty reporting as gospel. If you're going to do that, don't post it here...post it in your echochamber. We're smart enough to know that this means absolutely nothing. And I'm asking you frankly...why would you come to our forum and post veiled shots at the Blazers organization? If you want anybody here to take you even remotely seriously? That ain't it.

We wouldn't go to your forum and continually take shots at your organization. ESPECIALLY, if your organization was about to lose it's (arguably) best player in franchise history. It's disrespectful. So stop please. We don't need your "reporting" here on everything you think is important.

The Miami Heat don't want Lillard enough to make an offer (or do the legwork) that satisfies the Blazers' asking price. That's what is obvious, and that's all ANYBODY knows outside of Riley, Cronin, Goodwin and Lillard. Until we hear something from one of those 4? Everything should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.

[VaDe255]

Yes.
The Blazers don't want to trade Dame.
It's very easy for them to not trade him if Miami is the only public suitor cause everyone knows they don't have assets that are attractive to your Portland Trailblazers.

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

Again with the treating empty reporting as gospel. If you're going to do that, don't post it here...post it in your echochamber. We're smart enough to know that this means absolutely nothing. And I'm asking you frankly...why would you come to our forum and post veiled shots at the Blazers organization? If you want anybody here to take you even remotely seriously? That ain't it.

We wouldn't go to your forum and continually take shots at your organization. ESPECIALLY, if your organization was about to lose it's (arguably) best player in franchise history. It's disrespectful. So stop please. We don't need your "reporting" here on everything you think is important.

The Miami Heat don't want Lillard enough to make an offer (or do the legwork) that satisfies the Blazers' asking price. That's what is obvious, and that's all ANYBODY knows outside of Riley, Cronin, Goodwin and Lillard. Until we hear something from one of those 4? Everything should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick (all reporters with sources inside the Heat organization) are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.

I gave the perspective of the Heat organization and what is happening there and you somehow are implying I am taking shots at the Blazers. Where exactly did I do that?

[Brandon-Clyde]

They certainly are acting like they are happy to just keep Dame.

According to Skolnick of 5RSN and the people he talked to close to the Heat organization:

The Heat made some offer and asked on a roadmap on how to get the deal done.
Blazers so far haven't given them one and don't act interested in real trade talks.
The Heat are just planning to go into season with what they have and keep a door open for Blazers to re-engage.
Heat are not randomly trying to trade or dangle their players around the league to up their offer and bid against themselves when they don't know what the Blazers want and how to get the deal done.

Difficult to trade for someone when you don't know the asking price

Again with the treating empty reporting as gospel. If you're going to do that, don't post it here...post it in your echochamber. We're smart enough to know that this means absolutely nothing. And I'm asking you frankly...why would you come to our forum and post veiled shots at the Blazers organization? If you want anybody here to take you even remotely seriously? That ain't it.

We wouldn't go to your forum and continually take shots at your organization. ESPECIALLY, if your organization was about to lose it's (arguably) best player in franchise history. It's disrespectful. So stop please. We don't need your "reporting" here on everything you think is important.

The Miami Heat don't want Lillard enough to make an offer (or do the legwork) that satisfies the Blazers' asking price. That's what is obvious, and that's all ANYBODY knows outside of Riley, Cronin, Goodwin and Lillard. Until we hear something from one of those 4? Everything should be taken with a tiny grain of salt.

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick (all reporters with sources inside the Heat organization) are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.

I gave the perspective of the Heat organization and what is happening there and you somehow are implying I am taking shots at the Blazers. Where exactly did I do that?

Let's try again. Portland made it's asking price pretty clear at the beginning as Zzaj said. It's 4 firsts and two young players and as of yet Miami has done ZERO to acquire the assets Portland wants. We know this because a Dame trade has yet to happen and we know what assets that Miami has available. It isn't Portland's job to tell Miami how to acquire the appropriate assets. That duty belongs to the Miami front office. All Miami needs to do is make any trade for the assets Portland wants contingent on Portland accepting the offer. But again Miami obviously has not done it's duty but is sitting around and expecting Portland to accept a lesser price. No thanks. Miami can either meet Portland's asking price or forget about having Dame.

[Wizenheimer]

Barry Jackson, Anthony Chiang, Ethan Skolnick are all reporting the same thing.
The Heat made an offer and are waiting on the Blazers to engage in trade talks.?

What was publicly reported early in the process was the Blazers wanted 4 firsts and 2 quality players. I’d say that’s the general roadmap. And they may not get it, but that’s a decent gauge on the initial ask. Obviously we don’t really know what exactly has been communicated between the organizations.

Miami only has 2 draft picks instead of 4, and those picks are 5 & 7 years away. They are offering no quality players except Herro and Portland has made if clear they aren't interested in him, mainly because they have a similar player at 7M/year less

in other words, why the fk would Portland engage in trade talks with Miami when they can clearly see Miami, even if they maxed their offer, doesn't have enough assets? And we have a lot of indications that Riley has not come close to a max offer; instead he has been low-balling the Blazers

Pat Riley has been 'leaking' malarkey to the media for 3 months now, and that includes the 3 people you mentioned. And I'd bet that the Portland front office is as convinced as I am that Riley was at least partly responsible for the scorched earth tactic's Dame's agent used in the first 10 days of this saga.

Pat Riley can go pound sand; Heat fans can go pound sand; you can go pound sand. And I'd bet Portland's front office shares those sentiments