Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[Spates]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

I guess my fandom is different than yours. I find the process of organic growth exciting and fulfilling. Watching young talent thrive and become legitimate stars, that's what it all about.

Watching Kyle and DeMar grow was great. Going for another big swing without the lead up doesn't feel the same to me. Just a personal preference.

[ciueli]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

The problem is that if you gamble and fail, you just traded away your future and your team is terrible for the next decade plus because you have no draft picks and stars don't want to sign with you because Canada taxes + cold weather city.

The Kawhi deal worked specifically because we didn't mortgage the future to get him, the main piece going out was an overrated star in his late 20s. With this deal, to get it done, we're trading at least our best young prospect and multiple future firsts in years where our team might be terrible because Lillard will be retired, gone, or aged out of being a star. It's much more likely that we'll wind up trading Pascal Siakam and building around Scottie + OG than it is we'll trade for Lillard.

[Spates]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

The problem is that if you gamble and fail, you just traded away your future and your team is terrible for the next decade plus because you have no draft picks and stars don't want to sign with you because Canada taxes + cold weather city.

The Kawhi deal worked specifically because we didn't mortgage the future to get him, the main piece going out was an overrated star in his late 20s. With this deal, to get it done, we're trading at least our best young prospect and multiple future firsts in years where our team might be terrible because Lillard will be retired, gone, or aged out of being a star. It's much more likely that we'll wind up trading Pascal Siakam and building around Scottie + OG than it is we'll trade for Lillard.

Let's hope so.

A Dame trade would be great for business though.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

I guess my fandom is different than yours. I find the process of organic growth exciting and fulfilling. Watching young talent thrive and become legitimate stars, that's what it all about.

Watching Kyle and DeMar grow was great. Going for another big swing without the lead up doesn't feel the same to me. Just a personal preference.

that doesn't apply to our team as presently constructed. our only blue-chip prospect is barnes and he exactly hasn't been impressing lately.
and there is nothing mutually exclusive in winning and developing at the same time. I would argue that a player develops better in a winning environment than a losing environment. and i'm pretty sure barnes would agree. also i don't think masai would trade barnes in a dame trade.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

The problem is that if you gamble and fail, you just traded away your future and your team is terrible for the next decade plus because you have no draft picks and stars don't want to sign with you because Canada taxes + cold weather city.

The Kawhi deal worked specifically because we didn't mortgage the future to get him, the main piece going out was an overrated star in his late 20s. With this deal, to get it done, we're trading at least our best young prospect and multiple future firsts in years where our team might be terrible because Lillard will be retired, gone, or aged out of being a star. It's much more likely that we'll wind up trading Pascal Siakam and building around Scottie + OG than it is we'll trade for Lillard.

i've been a fan of this team since day one. i've seen a lot of losing games and losing seasons. i don't see masai trading barnes.
and i'm tired of losing. if there is a chance, I want this team to take it. the gamble is certainly better than mediocrity or losing.

[Spates]

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

I guess my fandom is different than yours. I find the process of organic growth exciting and fulfilling. Watching young talent thrive and become legitimate stars, that's what it all about.

Watching Kyle and DeMar grow was great. Going for another big swing without the lead up doesn't feel the same to me. Just a personal preference.

that doesn't apply to our team as presently constructed. our only blue-chip prospect is barnes and he exactly hasn't been impressing lately.
and there is nothing mutually exclusive in winning and developing at the same time. I would argue that a player develops better in a winning environment than a losing environment. and i'm pretty sure barnes would agree. also i don't think masai would trade barnes in a dame trade.

I've been impressed with Barnes. Maybe our expectations are different.

I think players develop best when they get minutes in a structured environment. An age divide hasn't worked well for GSW. There was a similar sort of divide on the Raptors this year. Conversely, Pascal, Fred, og, norm developed well under vet leadership while winning. Each situation is different

To each their own. I simply want to write my own test.

[ciueli]

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

The problem is that if you gamble and fail, you just traded away your future and your team is terrible for the next decade plus because you have no draft picks and stars don't want to sign with you because Canada taxes + cold weather city.

The Kawhi deal worked specifically because we didn't mortgage the future to get him, the main piece going out was an overrated star in his late 20s. With this deal, to get it done, we're trading at least our best young prospect and multiple future firsts in years where our team might be terrible because Lillard will be retired, gone, or aged out of being a star. It's much more likely that we'll wind up trading Pascal Siakam and building around Scottie + OG than it is we'll trade for Lillard.

i've been a fan of this team since day one. i've seen a lot of losing games and losing seasons. i don't see masai trading barnes.

Portland isn't doing the deal if they don't get Barnes, we don't have another blue chip prospect who fits with their rebuilding plan, and we can't throw them a haul of future picks instead to make up for it because of the future first we owe the Spurs from the Jakob Poeltl trade. So I'd suggest accepting we won't be trading for Damian Lillard any time soon.

[Merit]

Would you trade for Lillard if we got Lillard and Sharpe back?

So something like:

Barnes/GTJ/Boucher/Thad/Flynn

For

Dame and Sharpe

Not sure what picks are to be had, but you guys let me know who has to add what where. I think raps add 1 lotto protected first. The salary matches rn anyway.

Guards: Dame/Schroeder/Sharpe/Dowtin
Wings: OG/McDaniels/OPJ/Dick
Bigs: Pascal/Poeltl, Precious, Koloko

Possible Starting 5:
Dame/OG/OPJ/Pascal/Poeltl. Lots of spacing here and OG and OPJ fill in the corners from opposite sides. Dame from up top. Pascal cutting and driving. Poeltl facilitating movement or secondary offense.

Bench unit (Hockey line): Schroeder/Sharpe/McDaniels/Precious/Koloko

Sharpe could be construed as a wing, but yeah - I don’t see too many benches beating us, especially if we stagger the starters.

JRoy? What do you think?

[greekman]

lillard will be here for the long term he's much less likely to leave like kawhi. raptors should put at least 2 of barnes, og, gradey available

[greekman]

Is it really worthwhile to trade into two years of contention to be left with depleted assets and need for a complete rebuild.

Kawhi was a culmination of five years of progression. This would be jumping the gun.

as opposed to what? two years of mediocrity and then completely rebuilding? raps are at a crossroad; muddling along with farfetched hopes of barnes turning into an all-star/superstar. if you have a chance you take it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it hasn't.
its not like dame is at the level hakeem was when we signed him back in the day. he had an all-nba season last year.
and finally, mid-market teams like ours have thinner margins of error. We have to be more aggressive and take more gambles to build a winner.

The problem is that if you gamble and fail, you just traded away your future and your team is terrible for the next decade plus because you have no draft picks and stars don't want to sign with you because Canada taxes + cold weather city.

The Kawhi deal worked specifically because we didn't mortgage the future to get him, the main piece going out was an overrated star in his late 20s. With this deal, to get it done, we're trading at least our best young prospect and multiple future firsts in years where our team might be terrible because Lillard will be retired, gone, or aged out of being a star. It's much more likely that we'll wind up trading Pascal Siakam and building around Scottie + OG than it is we'll trade for Lillard.

I would rather 3 good years out of siakam/dame/poltl/shroeder than build around barnes and og.

[MoneyBall]

Would you trade for Lillard if we got Lillard and Sharpe back?

So something like:

Barnes/GTJ/Boucher/Thad/Flynn

For

Dame and Sharpe

Not sure what picks are to be had, but you guys let me know who has to add what where. I think raps add 1 lotto protected first. The salary matches rn anyway.

Guards: Dame/Schroeder/Sharpe/Dowtin
Wings: OG/McDaniels/OPJ/Dick
Bigs: Pascal/Poeltl, Precious, Koloko

Possible Starting 5:
Dame/OG/OPJ/Pascal/Poeltl. Lots of spacing here and OG and OPJ fill in the corners from opposite sides. Dame from up top. Pascal cutting and driving. Poeltl facilitating movement or secondary offense.

Bench unit (Hockey line): Schroeder/Sharpe/McDaniels/Precious/Koloko

Sharpe could be construed as a wing, but yeah - I don’t see too many benches beating us, especially if we stagger the starters.

JRoy? What do you think?

JRoy might not even do Barnes for Sharpe straight up.

[dTox]

lillard will be here for the long term he's much less likely to leave like kawhi. raptors should put at least 2 of barnes, og, gradey available

Dear God, no

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[JB7]

There are so many other younger stars that are going to become available in the next year or two, why waste making a big splash on Dame?

I’m interested to see if the Hawks and TWolves both start off slow and make a bigger move with their stars (Towns & Trae). I could see the Raps trying to fit into a deal there with Pascal going to TWolves, Towns to Hawks and Trae to Raps.

[Merit]

There are so many other younger stars that are going to become available in the next year or two, why waste making a big splash on Dame?

I’m interested to see if the Hawks and TWolves both start off slow and make a bigger move with their stars (Towns & Trae). I could see the Raps trying to fit into a deal there with Pascal going to TWolves, Towns to Hawks and Trae to Raps.

No thanks to Trae, but yes to Towns. I think I’d keep Pascal over both, but Towns shooting and youth would be a great fit if we decide to keep Scottie. Trae is awesome but seems to be a coach killer and plays zero defense. Not sure he’s a fit character wise. That said, I could be convinced depending on who else is in the deal.

[Merit]

Would you trade for Lillard if we got Lillard and Sharpe back?

So something like:

Barnes/GTJ/Boucher/Thad/Flynn

For

Dame and Sharpe

Not sure what picks are to be had, but you guys let me know who has to add what where. I think raps add 1 lotto protected first. The salary matches rn anyway.

Guards: Dame/Schroeder/Sharpe/Dowtin
Wings: OG/McDaniels/OPJ/Dick
Bigs: Pascal/Poeltl, Precious, Koloko

Possible Starting 5:
Dame/OG/OPJ/Pascal/Poeltl. Lots of spacing here and OG and OPJ fill in the corners from opposite sides. Dame from up top. Pascal cutting and driving. Poeltl facilitating movement or secondary offense.

Bench unit (Hockey line): Schroeder/Sharpe/McDaniels/Precious/Koloko

Sharpe could be construed as a wing, but yeah - I don’t see too many benches beating us, especially if we stagger the starters.

JRoy? What do you think?

JRoy might not even do Barnes for Sharpe straight up.

Nah. I have a feeling he would consider this one, and it’s all about Scottie. Portland also gets GTJ back - and that Scottie/GTJ combo is a good one.

Scoot/Trent/Scottie/Grant/Nurkic with Simons/Thybulle/Little/Murray/Boucher off the bench is pretty sweet in terms of youth. Plus Portland can go full rebuild and move Grant, Simons and Nurkic too. Lots of options to take on salary if they want it with the contracts of Boucher and Thad (and to a lesser extent Flynn). I think Scottie is infinitely better than Ben Simmons and I know that type of player is one that JRoy was looking for. Heck they can still trade for Ben really easily if they want to take on his contract. No idea who their shooters would be, but that’s a problem for down the road.

[Merit]

lillard will be here for the long term he's much less likely to leave like kawhi. raptors should put at least 2 of barnes, og, gradey available

I definitely agree that Dame would stay here longer than Kawhi. That’s just my intuition speaking though. He would get unrivalled adulation from the Toronto fans and would definitely win - especially if we keep pascal and OG.

I don’t think we need to trade OG or Gradey. I think Scottie is enough. The optics for Portland work really well too. “Portland trades for talented former Rookie of the Year in Scottie Barnes and turns the page on the Damion Lillard Era”.

[CPT]

I'd rather have Lillard for 2-3 years than Trae or Towns for 10

[JRoy]

Would you trade for Lillard if we got Lillard and Sharpe back?

So something like:

Barnes/GTJ/Boucher/Thad/Flynn

For

Dame and Sharpe

Not sure what picks are to be had, but you guys let me know who has to add what where. I think raps add 1 lotto protected first. The salary matches rn anyway.

Guards: Dame/Schroeder/Sharpe/Dowtin
Wings: OG/McDaniels/OPJ/Dick
Bigs: Pascal/Poeltl, Precious, Koloko

Possible Starting 5:
Dame/OG/OPJ/Pascal/Poeltl. Lots of spacing here and OG and OPJ fill in the corners from opposite sides. Dame from up top. Pascal cutting and driving. Poeltl facilitating movement or secondary offense.

Bench unit (Hockey line): Schroeder/Sharpe/McDaniels/Precious/Koloko

Sharpe could be construed as a wing, but yeah - I don’t see too many benches beating us, especially if we stagger the starters.

JRoy? What do you think?

Trolling

[C_Money]

We likely can’t get Lillard but we should be trying to get Tyler Herro as part of a 3 team trade.

[JRoy]

We likely can’t get Lillard but we should be trying to get Tyler Herro as part of a 3 team trade.

Please do.