Dame requests a trade.

[HoopsFanAZ]

What does Portland want?
1. A youngish player at a non-guard position who is already a starter or is projected to have a ceiling that is of a high quality starter plus sweeteners ... or ...
2a. Young assets at positions of need who have a high ceiling together with ...
2b. several unprotected picks ...
2c. sweetened by pick swaps and/or 2nd rounders. [Miami's possible trad package in a two-team deal fails.]

Nowhere in the above -- or in anything Cronin has said -- is there talk about the most important return for the Blazers being a guard. Herro is not it.
Miami can shop Herro for picks if Portland will accept that ... or can package him to get a youngish, front court player the Blazers want and then complete the 3+ team trade. Huzzah for them.

Cronin doesn't get to blink. He gets the best deal ... which may not be -- likely WILL NOT be -- Miami. If Lillard does not like that, then he can blame Miami for not wanting him enough ... and himself and his agent for hurting negotiations earlier this summer. He can still feel what he feels because the Blazers did not build a contender around him.

[Dame Lizard]

So all Miami has to do is trade Herro for the picks Portland wants and we can talk deal. Getter done.

Exactly, problem solved. VaDe is going to get us that sick Herro return and the deal is done. How good!

There is no universe where this happens, because in the history of basketball no team has ever gone and traded one of their young core scorers for picks and then turned around started negotiations with another team. This is done with all teams involved, where everyone accepts what their giving up and taking back. Imagine a world where Miami goes and gives Herro up for 2 FRP's or 1 FRP which ever happens then turns around and Portland is like yes now we can talk, but actually weve decide to keep Lillard. Now Miami is one young scorer out for a contending team, come on be reasonable. Either everyone gets to the table and negotiates to make a decision or nobody goes to the table and nothing happens.

I was being sarcastic, about the fact that VaDe was mentioning how Herro is valuable and can get at least a first round picks in return.

So my response is great, go get that (even if it's not a completed offer, but more so get that ready for a three team trade) so the deal is closer to being acceptable.

[monopoman]

What does Portland want?
1. A youngish player at a non-guard position who is already a starter or is projected to have a ceiling that is of a high quality starter plus sweeteners ... or ...
2a. Young assets at positions of need who have a high ceiling together with ...
2b. several unprotected picks ...
2c. sweetened by pick swaps and/or 2nd rounders. [Miami's possible trad package in a two-team deal fails.]

Nowhere in the above -- or in anything Cronin has said -- is there talk about the most important return for the Blazers being a guard. Herro is not it.
Miami can shop Herro for picks if Portland will accept that ... or can package him to get a youngish, front court player the Blazers want and then complete the 3+ team trade. Huzzah for them.

Cronin doesn't get to blink. He gets the best deal ... which may not be -- likely WILL NOT be -- Miami. If Lillard does not like that, then he can blame Miami for not wanting him enough ... and himself and his agent for hurting negotiations earlier this summer. He can still feel what he feels because the Blazers did not build a contender around him.

There is no doubt in mind that Miami thinks we will trade him there eventually and therefore this is the lowball offer **** from Riley. Riley knows what he is doing if Lillard would have listed like 4-5 teams I bet their offer would be much better.

Classic used car salesman tactics here lowball any trade in or someone trying to sell a car and then overcharge everyone else that's Riley to a T. It will be a big day for me if Lillard goes to any other team not named Miami and wins there, I am a bit hurt that he left the Blazers but I would still love to see him get a ring. It would be the biggest egg on face moment for the Heat in a very long time.

Oh and can we cap off the NBA Finals winning shot being a deep three by Lillard down two with 10 seconds to go or something?

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

What does Portland want?
1. A youngish player at a non-guard position who is already a starter or is projected to have a ceiling that is of a high quality starter plus sweeteners ... or ...
2a. Young assets at positions of need who have a high ceiling together with ...
2b. several unprotected picks ...
2c. sweetened by pick swaps and/or 2nd rounders. [Miami's possible trad package in a two-team deal fails.]

Nowhere in the above -- or in anything Cronin has said -- is there talk about the most important return for the Blazers being a guard. Herro is not it.
Miami can shop Herro for picks if Portland will accept that ... or can package him to get a youngish, front court player the Blazers want and then complete the 3+ team trade. Huzzah for them.

Cronin doesn't get to blink. He gets the best deal ... which may not be -- likely WILL NOT be -- Miami. If Lillard does not like that, then he can blame Miami for not wanting him enough ... and himself and his agent for hurting negotiations earlier this summer. He can still feel what he feels because the Blazers did not build a contender around him.

There is no doubt in mind that Miami thinks we will trade him there eventually and therefore this is the lowball offer **** from Riley. Riley knows what he is doing if Lillard would have listed like 4-5 teams I bet their offer would be much better.

Classic used car salesman tactics here lowball any trade in or someone trying to sell a car and then overcharge everyone else that's Riley to a T. It will be a big day for me if Lillard goes to any other team not named Miami and wins there, I am a bit hurt that he left the Blazers but I would still love to see him get a ring. It would be the biggest egg on face moment for the Heat in a very long time.

Oh and can we cap off the NBA Finals winning shot being a deep three by Lillard down two with 10 seconds to go or something?

well, I Dame starts the season as a Blazer, and that looks like a better than even chance it will happen, it's possible he finishes the season as a Blazer

personally, I think he'll probably be traded by the trade deadline, but that is unlikely to happen unless he expands his list of teams. At this point, I'm about 75% convinced the Blazers have no intention of trading him to Miami

[monopoman]

Spoiler:

What does Portland want?
1. A youngish player at a non-guard position who is already a starter or is projected to have a ceiling that is of a high quality starter plus sweeteners ... or ...
2a. Young assets at positions of need who have a high ceiling together with ...
2b. several unprotected picks ...
2c. sweetened by pick swaps and/or 2nd rounders. [Miami's possible trad package in a two-team deal fails.]

Nowhere in the above -- or in anything Cronin has said -- is there talk about the most important return for the Blazers being a guard. Herro is not it.
Miami can shop Herro for picks if Portland will accept that ... or can package him to get a youngish, front court player the Blazers want and then complete the 3+ team trade. Huzzah for them.

Cronin doesn't get to blink. He gets the best deal ... which may not be -- likely WILL NOT be -- Miami. If Lillard does not like that, then he can blame Miami for not wanting him enough ... and himself and his agent for hurting negotiations earlier this summer. He can still feel what he feels because the Blazers did not build a contender around him.

There is no doubt in mind that Miami thinks we will trade him there eventually and therefore this is the lowball offer **** from Riley. Riley knows what he is doing if Lillard would have listed like 4-5 teams I bet their offer would be much better.

Classic used car salesman tactics here lowball any trade in or someone trying to sell a car and then overcharge everyone else that's Riley to a T. It will be a big day for me if Lillard goes to any other team not named Miami and wins there, I am a bit hurt that he left the Blazers but I would still love to see him get a ring. It would be the biggest egg on face moment for the Heat in a very long time.

Oh and can we cap off the NBA Finals winning shot being a deep three by Lillard down two with 10 seconds to go or something?

well, I Dame starts the season as a Blazer, and that looks like a better than even chance it will happen, it's possible he finishes the season as a Blazer

personally, I think he'll probably be traded by the trade deadline, but that is unlikely to happen unless he expands his list of teams. At this point, I'm about 75% convinced the Blazers have no intention of trading him to Miami

Well it makes sense they aren't interested, if Miami was putting more on the table they might but the offer is a joke. Some seem to think it's the best we will get but I have a feeling the Blazers want more and they can find someone to pay it.

[DC_Melo]

There is no doubt in mind that Miami thinks we will trade him there eventually and therefore this is the lowball offer **** from Riley. Riley knows what he is doing if Lillard would have listed like 4-5 teams I bet their offer would be much better.

Classic used car salesman tactics here lowball any trade in or someone trying to sell a car and then overcharge everyone else that's Riley to a T. It will be a big day for me if Lillard goes to any other team not named Miami and wins there, I am a bit hurt that he left the Blazers but I would still love to see him get a ring. It would be the biggest egg on face moment for the Heat in a very long time.

Oh and can we cap off the NBA Finals winning shot being a deep three by Lillard down two with 10 seconds to go or something?

well, I Dame starts the season as a Blazer, and that looks like a better than even chance it will happen, it's possible he finishes the season as a Blazer

personally, I think he'll probably be traded by the trade deadline, but that is unlikely to happen unless he expands his list of teams. At this point, I'm about 75% convinced the Blazers have no intention of trading him to Miami

Well it makes sense they aren't interested, if Miami was putting more on the table they might but the offer is a joke. Some seem to think it's the best we will get but I have a feeling the Blazers want more and they can find someone to pay it.

Yea, I’m glad we’re holding out for more. I’ve seen a lot of fans panic (especially in the Blazersedge comments) and clamor for us to just get a deal done.

We don’t get many chances to trade a star player for valued assets. As a market that can’t attract free agents, failing to maximize our return value is the most damaging thing we can do to our franchise.

[m0ng0]

Well according to the headline above the blazers are "RAMPING UP" trade talks, I hope we find a different trade partner besides Miami. Arrogant jackwagons deserve nothing!!!

[DaVoiceMaster]

Perhaps if people stop responding to the annoying posts, the clowns will leave. The same ol' same ol' is getting annoying.

[GEE]

I was watching the Colorado football game earlier, and Chauncey was at the game in a skybox. He had a guest sitting with him.... Kyle Lowry.

[Blazers98]

I was watching the Colorado football game earlier, and Chauncey was at the game in a skybox. He had a guest sitting with him.... Kyle Lowry.

Interesting! Lowry would make a great role model for Scoot.

[m0ng0]

I was watching the Colorado football game earlier, and Chauncey was at the game in a skybox. He had a guest sitting with him.... Kyle Lowry.

Interesting! Lowry would make a great role model for Scoot.

if nothing else a much cheaper mentor. I am so ready for this to be over...

[DC_Melo]

I was watching the Colorado football game earlier, and Chauncey was at the game in a skybox. He had a guest sitting with him.... Kyle Lowry.

Interesting! Lowry would make a great role model for Scoot.

if nothing else a much cheaper mentor. I am so ready for this to be over...

30 mil is a lot to pay for a mentor! Lol, but yea… still cheaper than Dame (if that’s what u meant) and expiring.

I’d much rather get Lowry as a salary filler piece than Duncan Robinson.

[Norm2953]

It does appear to be getting closer and could get done if Portland simplifies the trade
by removing Nurkic from the deal and Miami finally agrees to send the two rookies
(jacquez/Jovic), Lowry along with all the picks they can send. Ends the Tyler Herro trade talk.

One small deal to be done on December 15 would send Moses Brown to Miami for Orlando
Robinson if Portland wants him in the deal.

Sucks for Portland but this finally is over

[DC_Melo]

It does appear to be getting closer and could get done if Portland simplifies the trade
by removing Nurkic from the deal and Miami finally agrees to send the two rookies
(jacquez/Jovic), Lowry along with all the picks they can send. Ends the Tyler Herro trade talk.

One small deal to be done on December 15 would send Moses Brown to Miami for Orlando
Robinson if Portland wants him in the deal.

Sucks for Portland but this finally is over

I feel your frustration with the situation, but this is a mindset I think we need to avoid. Ultimately, we’re not losing anything or getting hurt by waiting during the summer months, and I’d say we wouldn’t lose much by waiting up until the deadline.

As much as I want to see a deal done, I don’t want one to get done just for the sake of getting it done. A few years from now we won't remember waiting on this trade to happen as much as we'll remember what we got from the trade.

And if Cronin makes a bad trade, nobody will defend him by saying at least he got a trade done. Whether it takes another week, month, or 3 months, I just want the best return we can get.

[m0ng0]

It does appear to be getting closer and could get done if Portland simplifies the trade
by removing Nurkic from the deal and Miami finally agrees to send the two rookies
(jacquez/Jovic), Lowry along with all the picks they can send. Ends the Tyler Herro trade talk.

One small deal to be done on December 15 would send Moses Brown to Miami for Orlando
Robinson if Portland wants him in the deal.

Sucks for Portland but this finally is over

What are you hearing?

[BlazersBroncos]

Sucks for Portland but this finally is over

I am not sure how you can be so confident a deal is suddenly going to get done.

Until Miami finds a UNP FRP to open up the 4 FRP package I dont see a deal getting done.

Cronin wont let himself be the GM known for trading Dame for 2 FRP 5+ years out and some super mid young talent. He isnt going to slam the door shut on any future career possibilities by being the GM that took a poo platter for Dame in a time when star players are pulling hauls.

Until there is a fair deal, at least similar to what some other stars have netted, Dame isnt going anywhere.

[Sinobas]

I think a lot of Blazer fans may be over-estimating Damian's trade value, with his age and contract. I think many teams consider Damian's year 3 and 4 to be net negatives.

[tester551]

It does appear to be getting closer and could get done if Portland simplifies the trade
by removing Nurkic from the deal and Miami finally agrees to send the two rookies
(jacquez/Jovic), Lowry along with all the picks they can send. Ends the Tyler Herro trade talk.

One small deal to be done on December 15 would send Moses Brown to Miami for Orlando
Robinson if Portland wants him in the deal.

Sucks for Portland but this finally is over

It looks like Lowery, JJJ, Jovic, & Martin work for salary matching (if Miami waived a trade exception or MLE).

Id love for Portland to get Orlando Robinson. Easiest way to complete that transaction is for Miami to waive him & Portland to claim him on waivers

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I think a lot of Blazer fans may be over-estimating Damian's trade value, with his age and contract. I think many teams consider Damian's year 3 and 4 to be net negatives.

I am not so sure. For one, that is the cost of doing business, top end talent is going to get top end salaries but getting as many of those guys together is how you win. Part of the reason Dame is available at all is because his contract is what it is but if you are a team looking for a final piece that is going to be the cost of doing business - the players with contracts you desire are not going to be available so expecting one or comparing who is available to who you wish was available is an exercise in futility.

Secondly, I think fans kind of under-estimate how much his contract actually changes relative to the salary cap. He is within the same few percentage points. People throw out big scary numbers that yeah would be shocking in this years salary cap but the cap goes up each year. His $45.6 million dollar contract this year is 33.55% of the salary cap, well his $63 million dollar contract in 26-27 that every freaks out about is projected to be 36.8% of the cap that year so it's actually not that much burdensome once you overcome sticker shock and take inflation into account.

Also guards are aging well recently, especially guards who can shoot and are crafty - two qualities that Damian definitely has. At that point in the mid 30's it really comes down to how badly a player wants it and how hard they are willing to work to stay in shape. I think Dame is not someone who is going to give up a moment earlier than he absolutely has to, meaning he is going to push himself well into his later 30's. I think barring an unfortunate injury that could happen to any player that people will generally be impressed with how Dame ages. He will lose something in his ability to attack the rim, to be honest that is already slipping a little bit for him. But he is a smart player and will for a long time remain an option that coaches trust to make decisions with the ball, that isn't going away just because he turns 35 or 36.

Obviously I am not saying he will totally be worth 63 million at that point in his career, but that I am not so sure teams see him as the huge negative that some folks around here seem to say.

[Norm2953]

I don't think year 4 of Dame's deal will be net positive but similar to where CP3 is today. Remember
CP3 was still an all star level player at age 36 and I feel Dame will be an all-star level player in years
1-2 and possibly year 3 in his age 36 season.

I don't know if Miami could afford to send Martin if they are sending out Jovic/JJJ and don't think
Orlando Robinson would survive a waiver claim to get to Portland which is why I think the final piece
would be completed as a separate deal on December 15. Robinson is an unknown and likely not
going to matter but we know what Moses Brown is.

I'd like another pick that is not 5-7 years away. If Miami can finally trade Herro to a third team to
get a third pick, that would make the trade Dame/Nurk for Herro, Lowry, Jovic, JJJ And the picks
but finding a third team willing to take on that $120 Million extension has been problematical.