Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[Scase]

Ok but was the Bucks 2029 1st available for FVV?

Or are you saying at the deadline we should have somehow had the foresight to trade for the Bucks picks to block them from trading for Dame? What salary was MIL giving up to obtain FVV AND give up picks?

Come on man

Yes, yes it was.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

Milwaukee could have traded its 2029 first-round pick or a pick swap in 2028.

So AKA - absolutely no concrete clue if it was available and possibly the "first" was truly a swap and not a full first.

Media was also saying that Miami was guaranteed to get Dame. Why do we believe a word these "rumours" say?

That entire source is Grange. The same Grange that this morning had Miami getting Dame.

Dude, if you are expecting a 100% confirmed source for any rumoured potential trades, I don't know what to tell you. Masai ain't coming out to the media to say that's what was offered and he turned it down.

It was rumoured to have been one of the assets offered, I'm not claiming it to be 100% accurate, but it's more accurate than saying that pick was never available.

[ArthurVandelay]

Funny how we turned down FVV for Grayson Allen + 1st at the deadline. Bucks wouldn't have been able to trade for Lillard and we could have packaged Allen instead. Trade deadline was a major fail.

Yeah, I’m a big Masai fanboy but even I’m a little disillusioned.

Masai gave that core one last kick, there is value in that, but they failed. I’ve been waiting for a major shakeup as a result but it doesn’t look like it’s happening.

Knowing how everything played out, they should have traded Fred to Milwaukee for Grayson and that pick.

My main frustration with Masai stems from his end of year press conference where he said they’d be adding shooting. One Dick isn’t enough.

[suntzuballin]

Fk man

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Even if that were remotely true, that's absolutely insane.

Maybe our front office is waiting for better offers next summer? Sure worked out well for us last time.

I do not believe this raptors would not even be in the Vegas odds or rumour couple days ago if OG wasn't in the deal .I think this reporter is covering for FO in some way.I think blazers ask for both achwia and koloko moreless one of the two and masai turn down the offer wonder why.

[Garmfay]

Funny how we turned down FVV for Grayson Allen + 1st at the deadline. Bucks wouldn't have been able to trade for Lillard and we could have packaged Allen instead. Trade deadline was a major fail.

so in this fantasy booker world - what about the part where dame said he didn't want to come to toronto?

It is more a major fail to not get anything for FVV when everyone knew the team was flawed and on the treadmill. This is another consequence of the deadline failure. Also makes us have 0 chance of ever getting Giannis lol. Instead, we trade our first to be a treadmill .500 team. Now we got 3 expiring starters with no direction. Can't wait for another deadline with no deal done since the offers were not up to Masai standards and we lose one of them for nothing.

[aminiaturebuddha]

And this is why I don't expend much mental energy worrying about trade rumours. No one was talking about Milwaukee this past week.

Now maybe everyone can get back to talking about the team that we do have less than a week out from the open of training camp.

[YogurtProducer]

Yes, yes it was.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

Milwaukee could have traded its 2029 first-round pick or a pick swap in 2028.

So AKA - absolutely no concrete clue if it was available and possibly the "first" was truly a swap and not a full first.

Media was also saying that Miami was guaranteed to get Dame. Why do we believe a word these "rumours" say?

That entire source is Grange. The same Grange that this morning had Miami getting Dame.

Dude, if you are expecting a 100% confirmed source for any rumoured potential trades, I don't know what to tell you. Masai ain't coming out to the media to say that's what was offered and he turned it down.

It was rumoured to have been one of the assets offered, I'm not claiming it to be 100% accurate, but it's more accurate than saying that pick was never available.

Exactly. You cannot confirm it so why be upset over it not happening

90% of the Masai hate is people bitching about unconfirmed reporting

[dTox]

One thing this ordeal shows is that the Raptors are still very committed to going all in and competing. They want to make win now moves rather than patiently develop around Barnes and acquire young players that fit his timeline. Or they are trying to do both.

You started that statement with absolute conviction...........and then wrapped it up by saying they may try to do both. I don't blame you though, the FO is confusing for most of us.

[Brinbe]

i get the frustration as we've been down this road a second time and struck out after KD last season and we know they were in on other guys too.

But there will be other stars and opportunities.

And we’ll continue to strike out on other stars.
Masai has been a big believer of internal growth since day 1, he overvalues his guys and refuses to part ways with them for players that are significantly better.

day 1 which resulted in a championship? yes, he overvalues his guys but history is not as written in stone as you make it seem. you also need teams to agree on teams. you know that, right?

look, i get the doomerism but let's relax a bit.

we're not the 2010s kings here or the triano-era raptors here.

[GP2]

Oh my god another brutally boring season again with the potential to lose 3 FAs

Username checks out...

[DG88]

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Portland gets OG for a year and loses him v. trading Jrue for maybe a FRP or prospect. I dunno. Masai trying to lowball was the right move. Milwaukee and Miami had a better shot at a title with Dame.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Just on the Suns, I get that there was bad blood with Ayton, and this spreads out their salary commitments, but if they're counting on Nurkic to be their defensive anchor inside, they'll be sorely disappointed.

[Scase]

So AKA - absolutely no concrete clue if it was available and possibly the "first" was truly a swap and not a full first.

Media was also saying that Miami was guaranteed to get Dame. Why do we believe a word these "rumours" say?

That entire source is Grange. The same Grange that this morning had Miami getting Dame.

Dude, if you are expecting a 100% confirmed source for any rumoured potential trades, I don't know what to tell you. Masai ain't coming out to the media to say that's what was offered and he turned it down.

It was rumoured to have been one of the assets offered, I'm not claiming it to be 100% accurate, but it's more accurate than saying that pick was never available.

Exactly. You cannot confirm it so why be upset over it not happening

90% of the Masai hate is people bitching about unconfirmed reporting

If you have such an issue with people discussing rumours, this is probably not the best place for you. I'm not complaining about this, simply offering a source to a claim.

I'm over the moon we didn't trade for Dame, this is one of the few times in the last few years I think Masai made a smart move.

[agkagk]

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People love to give the FO credit for the Barnes pick, but bare in mind we were slated to draft 8th - we just got insanely lucky with the lottery balls.

The same people who deride tanking because "There's no guarantee of where you will pick".

Both your logics are not logicing.

Schroder at 12 million and a 25 yr old mcdaniels is >> to paying freds poison pill contract in houston

Schroder + mcdaniels = or > than 2 future late picks.

Prior to that masai convinced miami to pay lowry his poison pill legacy contract he earned from us and they gave us achiuwa aka a first round pick for the privilege.


So to surmise:

Sabotaging miami

Holding off on trading fred for a lousy future first

Not signing fred to a poison pill negative value contract

Acquiring precious

Signing a 25 yr old mcdaniels who has a tangible floor (hes a player).

Signing schroder for 12 a year

Is worth waaaaaay more than two firsts




Also, my common sense machine is 90 something percent sure giannis called up lillard and lillard chose the bucks over toronto.

(Hence why jimmy butlers bitching about collusion)

Portland looked after lillard and now have to shop jrue for an og anunoby type.

Jrues expring = og’s expiring

[Brinbe]

Just on the Suns, I get that there was bad blood with Ayton, and this spreads out their salary commitments, but if they're counting on Nurkic to be their defensive anchor inside, they'll be sorely disappointed.

it's definitely a talent downgrade but at the very least you know nurk won't grumble about touches or doing the down/dirty things expected of big. he'll be setting some nice screens for all those guards/shooters.

[Ackshun]

Honestly, it probably was unfair to ask Dame to carry Pascal and co. I think going to the Bucks is better from so many angles, including the longevity of his career.

Those touches that would have went to Dame will go to Scottie, and hopefully Precious, Dick and Jalen.

We are literally stuck in no man’s land, but we should make the best of it. With three expiring starters and potentially no draft pick, this FO has really shut the bed.

Now..get Pascal to Atlanta and maybe I think differently.

[ATLTimekeeper]

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Maybe they should have improved their offer, like once?

[Ackshun]

One thing this ordeal shows is that the Raptors are still very committed to going all in and competing. They want to make win now moves rather than patiently develop around Barnes and acquire young players that fit his timeline. Or they are trying to do both.

You started that statement with absolute conviction...........and then wrapped it up by saying they may try to do both. I don't blame you though, the FO is confusing for most of us.

Yeaah. They finally picked a path but chose not execute on it because of an expiring? So that’s great.

We are so confused. The league is confused.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Just on the Suns, I get that there was bad blood with Ayton, and this spreads out their salary commitments, but if they're counting on Nurkic to be their defensive anchor inside, they'll be sorely disappointed.

it's definitely a talent downgrade but at the very least you know nurk won't grumble about touches or doing the down/dirty things expected of big. he'll be setting some nice screens for all those guards/shooters.

True, it's obviously a "fit" trade for them, I just think they're going to be really bad defensively. Even Durant, who used to be a good defender, hasn't really cared about that end of the floor for the past 3 years. Of course, it may not matter if they can just outscore everyone.

[ForeverTFC]

The Bucks traded their 2029 1st and 2 swaps in the Dame deal.

That deal isn't possible if the Bucks traded us the 2029 pick at last year's deadline for Fred, as rumoured. It makes the asset package much more complicated the same way our 2024 pick trade makes it for us.

Ok but was the Bucks 2029 1st available for FVV?

Or are you saying at the deadline we should have somehow had the foresight to trade for the Bucks picks to block them from trading for Dame? What salary was MIL giving up to obtain FVV AND give up picks?

Come on man

Yes, yes it was.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

I assume you'll pull a similar article to show the Raptors offered OG for Dame next year?

Rumored deals and actual offers are not the same. This whole Dame situation should make that very obvious for everyone.