The Official NY Jets Thread.

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Just absolutely embarassing

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Had MAJOR MAJOR concerns about Saleh after last year. Obviously he has not changed after last years debacle. He's cooked here.

[Kidknick!]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

[EnigmatiC]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

[Knicksfan1992]

the jets let mike white walk in favor of aaron's boy boyle who cant qb. Cant make this **** up

Eh it was more in favor of the combination of not wanting to admit the mistake on ZW, the corpse of Dalvin Cook, and Mecole Hardman who has barely seen any snaps...You simply don't sign Cook and/or Hardman and there's your money for Mike White or a similar backup.

[j4remi]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

It's too early to say after three weeks, but holding the Bills and Pats below 20 points in spite of the offense being garbage and the field position they're dealing with is elite stuff. The Cowboys game was ugly, their D-Line got shut down and I have no clue why they went so heavy on the zone coverage. They still have the makings of a great defense, but the same issues that held them back last year are here. They're dealing with bad field position most of the time, they don't get many breaks from the offense, and the defensive gameplan uses way too much zone coverage.

I agree with everything you say though. The owner sucks, they'll probably act in the interests of a QB that's unlikely to ever play quality football again, and the HC is a great motivational speaker but hasn't shown us enough to count on much beyond that.

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

[DOT]

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

I think it's more that y'all just legitimately had awful luck with that

Cause like, we like to meme about Frank Gore winning that Rams game being the difference, but in reality, the Jags had the edge in terms of SoS, so even if we both had the same record, we would've gotten the 1st pick

So the one year y'all get 2 wins is the one year you'd've needed to go winless to get the 1st pick. Or if the Jags don't lose 15 straight games after not being satisfied with 1-0.

[Kidknick!]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

Team held the Buffalo offense in check and for the vast majority of the game BULLIED them. You can't fault a defense for getting tired when your offense is generating 75 yards passing in halves. When that happens the defense will ALWAYS look worse. It's on the offense to lighten that load game wise. You have top flight corners and high level D line. It's the GARBAGE QB that's killing them.

[thebuzzardman]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

It's too early to say after three weeks, but holding the Bills and Pats below 20 points in spite of the offense being garbage and the field position they're dealing with is elite stuff. The Cowboys game was ugly, their D-Line got shut down and I have no clue why they went so heavy on the zone coverage. They still have the makings of a great defense, but the same issues that held them back last year are here. They're dealing with bad field position most of the time, they don't get many breaks from the offense, and the defensive gameplan uses way too much zone coverage.

I agree with everything you say though. The owner sucks, they'll probably act in the interests of a QB that's unlikely to ever play quality football again, and the HC is a great motivational speaker but hasn't shown us enough to count on much beyond that.

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

The defense looks ordinary. Other teams don't need 6 weeks to "get it together". What, the Jets need a 25 game NFL season to be a .500 team?

Saleh is supposed to be a GOOD defensive coach. I've yet to be impressed, at all.

The offense blows.

[j4remi]

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

I think it's more that y'all just legitimately had awful luck with that

Cause like, we like to meme about Frank Gore winning that Rams game being the difference, but in reality, the Jags had the edge in terms of SoS, so even if we both had the same record, we would've gotten the 1st pick

So the one year y'all get 2 wins is the one year you'd've needed to go winless to get the 1st pick. Or if the Jags don't lose 15 straight games after not being satisfied with 1-0.

That's true, the team is cursed to have awful timing and luck just as much as it's a victim of injuries to key players on a near-yearly basis. But the reason the Rams meme exists is because you spotted us the lead in September and we were still using Frank Gore and Jamison Crowder (among other vets) in December. By the time they beat the Rams and Browns back to back, they were leaning on aged vets that everyone knew wouldn't be back for the following season. Going winless might not have been the goal to start the year, but by the last few weeks of a lost season, it made sense.

And I know everyone says "you can't tank in football, the players won't stand for it" but the players were all one foot out the door, scrapping to get paid by somebody, anybody else.

[EnigmatiC]

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

I think it's more that y'all just legitimately had awful luck with that

Cause like, we like to meme about Frank Gore winning that Rams game being the difference, but in reality, the Jags had the edge in terms of SoS, so even if we both had the same record, we would've gotten the 1st pick

So the one year y'all get 2 wins is the one year you'd've needed to go winless to get the 1st pick. Or if the Jags don't lose 15 straight games after not being satisfied with 1-0.

Yes people always forget we needed to go 0-16 that year to draft Lawrence.

[EnigmatiC]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

Team held the Buffalo offense in check and for the vast majority of the game BULLIED them. You can't fault a defense for getting tired when your offense is generating 75 yards passing in halves. When that happens the defense will ALWAYS look worse. It's on the offense to lighten that load game wise. You have top flight corners and high level D line. It's the GARBAGE QB that's killing them.

Sure we held the Bills in check and generated turnovers but I wonder how much of first game of season rust that was for Allen and the rest of the offense?

[EnigmatiC]

Bills fan here, the Jets with Rogers had Super Bowl potential. That defense is SCARY GOOD, and they have the weapons at skills (Hall, G Wilson, Hardman, TE's not bad either.) They handed my Bills their ASSES week 1.

Problem is your Owner and Front Office has put a gun to the "Yes Man" HC for three years now. When you draft a QB, season three should be the indicator if He is "The Guy" or not. Zach Wilson FAILED in year two, lost the locker room then to Mike White. The coach still rode with this bum. He cannot make the reads, has ZERO pocket presence and seems to be lacking in QB I.Q. But the owner is friends with his family and seems to be willing to destroy the entire roster to placate a guy with stats equal to JaMarcus Russell. The level of NEPOTISM in the NFL is unparalleled with even Nate Hackett still having a career after his stint in Denver. A true ol' boys network.

What baffles me is that people still think Wilson is salvageable. He's the NY Football version of Frank Ntilikina, with the level of delusional fans thinking this guy is actually good.

This is on everyone above player level.

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

It's too early to say after three weeks, but holding the Bills and Pats below 20 points in spite of the offense being garbage and the field position they're dealing with is elite stuff. The Cowboys game was ugly, their D-Line got shut down and I have no clue why they went so heavy on the zone coverage. They still have the makings of a great defense, but the same issues that held them back last year are here. They're dealing with bad field position most of the time, they don't get many breaks from the offense, and the defensive gameplan uses way too much zone coverage.

I agree with everything you say though. The owner sucks, they'll probably act in the interests of a QB that's unlikely to ever play quality football again, and the HC is a great motivational speaker but hasn't shown us enough to count on much beyond that.

Honestly, the fact that they screwed up the "tank for Trevor Lawrence" race is likely to burn for the rest of this decade.

I'm not impressed with holding that Pats team under 20, they may have the worst skills position players in the league. How do you think our defense would hold up to Buffalo right now after they had a few games to shake out the rust? I don't think it would hold up very well.

We have a defensive coordinator masquerading as a head coach that is a FACT. The team (especially the defense) always look like they are not ready to play. This goes back to last year when we couldn't win a game the last month or so despite having a decent shot at making the playoffs, with so much on the line how does your team routinely come out flat?. This defense still can't get off the field on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long for crying out loud. I'm not even going to mention the fact we can't take the ball away (lets be real the turnovers against Buffalo was a statistical anomaly). These are hallmarks of Robert Saleh's defense. He is STILL being stunningly stubborn with Zach Wilson although I have to wonder how much the GM and ownership are in his ear about that. Speaking of GM, at what point does Douglas face the music? He had 1 GREAT draft, what else has he done? He struck out on Zach, he struck out on the coach, he struck out on a few drafts, and he struck out with Rodgers. He's been here what? 4 years now? Our offensive line is STILL a mess!! I don't get the love and leeway this guy gets.

Ok rant over...for now

[Kidknick!]

Defense has been anything but scary. Solid maybe but most definitely not scary and not the top level defense most were expecting. Now is that a product of them being on the field for 90% of the game? Maybe. You could've stopped at the "The problem is your owner", nothing will improve while this guy is the owner he is just clueless when it comes to football decisions. I fully expect all decisions going forward to be made to placate a 40/41 year old QB with a bad Achilles who will not have thrown a ball for a year by the time next season starts.

Team held the Buffalo offense in check and for the vast majority of the game BULLIED them. You can't fault a defense for getting tired when your offense is generating 75 yards passing in halves. When that happens the defense will ALWAYS look worse. It's on the offense to lighten that load game wise. You have top flight corners and high level D line. It's the GARBAGE QB that's killing them.

Sure we held the Bills in check and generated turnovers but I wonder how much of first game of season rust that was for Allen and the rest of the offense?

Nah, the Jet Defense STYMIED them. It was pretty much domination. The Jets have just the right mix of pass rush and corner play that gives Buffalo all kinds of problems. The Jets DARED **** to run the ball and as always, he couldn't adjust.

[j4remi]

The defense looks ordinary. Other teams don't need 6 weeks to "get it together". What, the Jets need a 25 game NFL season to be a .500 team?

Saleh is supposed to be a GOOD defensive coach. I've yet to be impressed, at all.

The offense blows.

Who said anything about needing to "get it together?" I said it's too early to judge the defense, because they've had 2 elite weeks on defense and one awful week on defense. The waiting is to see if they continue to stack good performances or start looking worse when more mobile QB's get in the building. For perspective:

- This defense held the Pats to less points (15) than they put up against the Dolphins or Eagles (two very good defensive teams)

- And held a monster offensive unit in the Bills to 16 points or less than half what they've scored on anyone else(they've dropped 37 and 38 on their opponents since).

- Even in the Dallas debacle, they managed to keep Dallas out of the end zone in the second half despite 4 TO's (3 INTs and a Dalvin Cook fumble).

The defense is probably still really good. Holding 2/3 opponents below 20 points is undeniably good in any context. But I think they look susceptible to mobile QB's, so Mahomes and Hurts might do big numbers on them.

[j4remi]

I'm not impressed with holding that Pats team under 20, they may have the worst skills position players in the league. How do you think our defense would hold up to Buffalo right now after they had a few games to shake out the rust? I don't think it would hold up very well.

We have a defensive coordinator masquerading as a head coach that is a FACT. The team (especially the defense) always look like they are not ready to play. This goes back to last year when we couldn't win a game the last month or so despite having a decent shot at making the playoffs, with so much on the line how does your team routinely come out flat?. This defense still can't get off the field on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long for crying out loud. I'm not even going to mention the fact we can't take the ball away (lets be real the turnovers against Buffalo was a statistical anomaly). These are hallmarks of Robert Saleh's defense. He is STILL being stunningly stubborn with Zach Wilson although I have to wonder how much the GM and ownership are in his ear about that. Speaking of GM, at what point does Douglas face the music? He had 1 GREAT draft, what else has he done? He struck out on Zach, he struck out on the coach, he struck out on a few drafts, and he struck out with Rodgers. He's been here what? 4 years now? Our offensive line is STILL a mess!! I don't get the love and leeway this guy gets.

Ok rant over...for now

The Pats aren't a good offense, but they've faced elite defenses and put up nominally better numbers than they did against our guys. I think that holds some weight...or at least, it shouldn't count against them. The Bills offense, they came out the gate with 31 last season and it just seems like the Jets have found a good formula against them going back to last season.

Agreed that Saleh looks more and more like a DC who's in over his head. Preparation does seem awful, we lose the "scripted" portion of match-ups on a weekly basis. The third-down conversion rate is mid as hell, but I think we make up for it by not giving up many big plays (ironic a week after the one TD surrendered was off a big play, I know). Lack of forced TO's is concerning, but I'm gonna give them a couple more weeks before I panic.

Douglas is an interesting case. I think he's gotten leeway with the O-Line because of injuries (Becton and AVT in particular). But the band-aids that he's come up with have routinely flopped and his developmental guys have all looked like bench depth at best. I liked his work this past draft, but it's impossible to defend a draft where none of the players is even suiting up (except Joe Tippman who got on due to injuries). With Douglas, I think he got a lot of love and leeway because of how great last year's draft class performed. This season will be the one where fans start to turn on him if the draft picks don't start showing value soon.

[EnigmatiC]

I'm not impressed with holding that Pats team under 20, they may have the worst skills position players in the league. How do you think our defense would hold up to Buffalo right now after they had a few games to shake out the rust? I don't think it would hold up very well.

We have a defensive coordinator masquerading as a head coach that is a FACT. The team (especially the defense) always look like they are not ready to play. This goes back to last year when we couldn't win a game the last month or so despite having a decent shot at making the playoffs, with so much on the line how does your team routinely come out flat?. This defense still can't get off the field on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long for crying out loud. I'm not even going to mention the fact we can't take the ball away (lets be real the turnovers against Buffalo was a statistical anomaly). These are hallmarks of Robert Saleh's defense. He is STILL being stunningly stubborn with Zach Wilson although I have to wonder how much the GM and ownership are in his ear about that. Speaking of GM, at what point does Douglas face the music? He had 1 GREAT draft, what else has he done? He struck out on Zach, he struck out on the coach, he struck out on a few drafts, and he struck out with Rodgers. He's been here what? 4 years now? Our offensive line is STILL a mess!! I don't get the love and leeway this guy gets.

Ok rant over...for now

The Pats aren't a good offense, but they've faced elite defenses and put up nominally better numbers than they did against our guys. I think that holds some weight...or at least, it shouldn't count against them. The Bills offense, they came out the gate with 31 last season and it just seems like the Jets have found a good formula against them going back to last season.

Agreed that Saleh looks more and more like a DC who's in over his head. Preparation does seem awful, we lose the "scripted" portion of match-ups on a weekly basis. The third-down conversion rate is mid as hell, but I think we make up for it by not giving up many big plays (ironic a week after the one TD surrendered was off a big play, I know). Lack of forced TO's is concerning, but I'm gonna give them a couple more weeks before I panic.

Douglas is an interesting case. I think he's gotten leeway with the O-Line because of injuries (Becton and AVT in particular). But the band-aids that he's come up with have routinely flopped and his developmental guys have all looked like bench depth at best. I liked his work this past draft, but it's impossible to defend a draft where none of the players is even suiting up (except Joe Tippman who got on due to injuries). With Douglas, I think he got a lot of love and leeway because of how great last year's draft class performed. This season will be the one where fans start to turn on him if the draft picks don't start showing value soon.

This is killing me man like why? Also I have to love when Saleh says we need to get Hardman and Ruckert on the field more then they are in the game for 2 plays. Just insane.

[FrozenEnvelope]

If I'm the Jets I ran the ball 40 times. No matter what. Make time of possession a key priority.

[thebuzzardman]

The defense looks ordinary. Other teams don't need 6 weeks to "get it together". What, the Jets need a 25 game NFL season to be a .500 team?

Saleh is supposed to be a GOOD defensive coach. I've yet to be impressed, at all.

The offense blows.

Who said anything about needing to "get it together?" I said it's too early to judge the defense, because they've had 2 elite weeks on defense and one awful week on defense. The waiting is to see if they continue to stack good performances or start looking worse when more mobile QB's get in the building. For perspective:

- This defense held the Pats to less points (15) than they put up against the Dolphins or Eagles (two very good defensive teams)

- And held a monster offensive unit in the Bills to 16 points or less than half what they've scored on anyone else(they've dropped 37 and 38 on their opponents since).

- Even in the Dallas debacle, they managed to keep Dallas out of the end zone in the second half despite 4 TO's (3 INTs and a Dalvin Cook fumble).

The defense is probably still really good. Holding 2/3 opponents below 20 points is undeniably good in any context. But I think they look susceptible to mobile QB's, so Mahomes and Hurts might do big numbers on them.

Dallas scored 38 points, right? That's not good defense.