Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[Tha Cynic]

If the FO was offering multiple "unprotected" FRPs, then we may have dodged a bullet.

Bucks gave up 1 FRP and 2 swaps. We could have matched that imo.

Portland may have favoured the higher upside potential of the back end 1sts Bucks were offering. Dame's contract ends in 2027, the first swap is in 2028. Just depends on their front office strategy. Personally, I'd take the earlier 1sts which is what Raps were probably offering.

Those Bucks picks will be lucrative. Giannis will be 34 and Dame will be gone. The Bucks also won't have much in terms of draft capital to improve their team.

[lobosloboslobos]

This sort of thread really brings out the worst of this place. If I was a player or team exec and i came across this sad excuse for a community of 'fans' I'd think we were the biggest bunch of losers in the world and would be embarrassed to play for us.

[ArthurVandelay]

Bucks gave up 1 FRP and 2 swaps. We could have matched that imo.

Portland may have favoured the higher upside potential of the back end 1sts Bucks were offering. Dame's contract ends in 2027, the first swap is in 2028. Just depends on their front office strategy. Personally, I'd take the earlier 1sts which is what Raps were probably offering.

Those Bucks picks will be lucrative. Giannis will be 34 and Dame will be gone. The Bucks also won't have much in terms of draft capital to improve their team.

And Milwaukee isn’t a free agent hot spot

[BramptonYute]

Masai says trades are the new free agency, and the players still arent choosing you.

The Raptors only have one avenue to add star players. The draft.

How? When all he had to do was add og and the deal is done... lol

Its still clearly proven the most viable option to compete judging off the fact that the past 2 summers they were very clearly close to getting the 2 biggest trade chips of the summer.

They'll be right there waiting for the next.

Rather than hoping on lottery balls and amazing development over years.

And its worked in the past. Its clearly how the team prefers to operate, so we gotta just accept it at this point rather rhan crying about rebuilding again and again no? At some point we gotta take the hint.

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Lillard chose the Bucks bro

[Airmiess]

While I think OG should have been offered, it's not bad that Masai loves the guy and wants to keep him. It would be bad if he refused to trade him and then watched him walk for nothing. In that event, Masai will be judged harshly.

If OG walks for nothing then it will be time for Masai to resign, Bobby too.

Right now their is a RICO case being built with evidence of bad asset management.

[PhilBlackson]

I think blazers did the right thing from their perspective.

They wanted to do right and took perhaps a slightly worse deal to bucks but dame wanted to go there so you can't really say too much about that as they got a decent return and dame isn't pissed.

Also, there is a bidding war for Jrue amongst contenders and those looking to be in playoffs like the Raptors so the blazers will def get something decent for him.



** Miami, bos, LAL, LAC, Philly

I don't blame them at all.

In the end they got a former #1 overall pick in Ayton who I do think actually has some untapped potential offensively and I think he will actually start putting up some decent offensive numbers plus he's just more of a "name" to sell the fans. Plus they're probably going to end up with an extra 4-5 picks. They basically got a Gobert type of deal picks wise which everyone thought was amazing & I'd argue those MIL picks could end up being even more valuable than MIN's nvm ours since Scottie would just be entering his prime. So they may have about 3 high lottery picks, 2+ late frps from one of BOS, NYK and Ayton for an aging guy who demanded out. That's a pretty decent return imo.

Plus yes the other part that's not discussed, not only Dame not really being excited about being here since we'd be a FAR less sure thing to ever be a true contender but the part everyone is glazing over. Dame/DeRozan's AGENT has BAD BLOOD with Masai & the franchise for how DeMar was handled. So why deal with any backlash from the media for "not honouring" Dame's desire to join a true championship contender, avoid being smeared as a franchise, show true compromise where they both "win" and it doesn't have to get ugly. Just seemed like the civil/fair thing to do in the end.

[Son Goku 25]

I think blazers did the right thing from their perspective.

They wanted to do right and took perhaps a slightly worse deal to bucks but dame wanted to go there so you can't really say too much about that as they got a decent return and dame isn't pissed.

Also, there is a bidding war for Jrue amongst contenders and those looking to be in playoffs like the Raptors so the blazers will def get something decent for him.



** Miami, bos, LAL, LAC

Bidding war of what? Three of those teams are bone dry.

I mean in terms of teams interested. Dame was reported to have 3 teams but Jrue is an easier get so there will def be more teams involved.

[Jadoogar]

Portland may have favoured the higher upside potential of the back end 1sts Bucks were offering. Dame's contract ends in 2027, the first swap is in 2028. Just depends on their front office strategy. Personally, I'd take the earlier 1sts which is what Raps were probably offering.

Those Bucks picks will be lucrative. Giannis will be 34 and Dame will be gone. The Bucks also won't have much in terms of draft capital to improve their team.

And Milwaukee isn’t a free agent hot spot

Neither are the Raptors.

[Pointgod]

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You can get almost anyone if you overpay for no reason while compromising the entire reason you're making the trade (contending).

The NBA math is that superstars win, and trading for a 33yo who isn't one while closing off avenues to get there in the future isn't it.

I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

[sidsid]

Both BOS & NYK have multiple mid-to-late FRPs available.

It won't be just a single pick.

I don’t think Jrue’s value is as high as people on message boards like to pretend it is. He’s already 33, can opt out in the summer and has said he’ll retire after the next contract. I think he gets you 1 pick protected pick and there aren’t a lot of contenders who have more picks to give up.

There aren't but there only takes two lol ahem again BOS & NYK that have other team's picks so they them to spare, MIA has multiple as well (albeit their own), as do we (and I've heard rumblings we're in there too, you think they're offering a "core" piece when they wouldn't for Dame).

If they're only willing to do a single, well then there's nothing all the great the separates their offers from LAC & PHI etc. Point is Jrue can swing a season (especially for BOS or LAC and the other 3 are desperate to remain "relevant"). Someone will bite. If it's just a single pick then everyone has them and none of them are looking to part with players that they think help them win now, nor is POR looking for win now pieces - MIL will get more than one, just watch.

The Jrue value is complicated by the size of his salary and the contender salary matching problems.

Boston needs to throw in 2 of Brogden/Horford/Timelord (which other than TL, hold no value for Portland) just to match. Those are core pieces which negate value and don't necessarily bring much back from a third team.

The Sixers fit is similar with Harden or Harris as matching.

Most teams are facing trade-offs with their matching instead of an outright value gain.

[PhilBlackson]

I think blazers did the right thing from their perspective.

They wanted to do right and took perhaps a slightly worse deal to bucks but dame wanted to go there so you can't really say too much about that as they got a decent return and dame isn't pissed.

Also, there is a bidding war for Jrue amongst contenders and those looking to be in playoffs like the Raptors so the blazers will def get something decent for him.



** Miami, bos, LAL, LAC

Bidding war of what? Three of those teams are bone dry.

I mean in terms of teams interested. Dame was reported to have 3 teams but Jrue is an easier get so there will def be more teams involved.

Neither is vast majority of the league really lol

Personally I think the only real TRUE destination locations is LA teams, NY teams or Miami. I'm not saying players won't accept places like CHI, PHI, BOS, PHX, GSW etc etc....but the high life is the most predominant in those areas, along with all the beautiful gold diggers, attention & as a result a "sexier" personal brand.

But really most teams in the league aren't FA destinations, so I don't even think it's worth being pointed out as some form of shame when being a FA destination is more the exception than the norm.

[Reeko]

This sort of thread really brings out the worst of this place. If I was a player or team exec and i came across this sad excuse for a community of 'fans' I'd think we were the biggest bunch of losers in the world and would be embarrassed to play for us.

Pretty random comment. The discussion in this thread has been pretty good.

[C_Money]

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A new front office is badly needed.

[JB7]

Bucks gave up 1 FRP and 2 swaps. We could have matched that imo.

Portland may have favoured the higher upside potential of the back end 1sts Bucks were offering. Dame's contract ends in 2027, the first swap is in 2028. Just depends on their front office strategy. Personally, I'd take the earlier 1sts which is what Raps were probably offering.

Those Bucks picks will be lucrative. Giannis will be 34 and Dame will be gone. The Bucks also won't have much in terms of draft capital to improve their team.

I actually don't think the Bucks picks will be lucrative, because the Bucks now have all the incentive to trade Giannis in two years. They will make their 2 year run, Giannis will ask to be traded (even though he might re-up; got to protect the bag), and I believe that is what OKC is sitting on its war chest for, a Giannis deal. They could pair a 30/31 year old Giannis with a 27 year old Shai.

If your OKC, and you're going to go all in, do you do it for Embiid, Doncic, or Giannis? I guess it depends on health two years from now. But Giannis also seems like the type to be happy in a small market, as long as he has the chance to win. I don't think Embiid or Doncic want to be in a small market.

From the Bucks perspective in trading Giannis to OKC, the return could be Giddey, Chet, J. Will, plus whatever else decent they draft between now and then, and then just a boatload of picks. OKC doesn't even have enough roster spots to fit their picks in now on a yearly basis.

[ForeverTFC]

I genuinely don’t understand why Portland takes jrue over gtj, dick, precious. There had to be something said my dames agent. Portland is now forced to take weak packages for jrue because they have absolutely no leverage

I agree. The deal being reported as our "offer" is better than what the Suns got. I don't think we offered the pick capital that's being speculated. It would be unlike Masai to give up more than 1 future 1st in a deal.

It really depends on what Portland receives in the Jrue auction .

I'm assuming 1-2 firsts + 1 potential prospect + salary filler?

So if our rumored offer is correct and we assume GTJ is moved to facilitate the Ayton part of the deal, it comes down to: 3 picks + Dick + Precious vs. 2-3 picks + 2 swaps + 1 potential prospect. They're not getting a prospect better than Dick, so somehow Precious + 3 picks has to lose pretty handedly to 2-3 picks + 2 swaps for Portland to have taken a better offer than ours.

Maybe the value there is close enough that Milwaukee sent Dame to a situation that they thought he would be happier with - essentially "doing right by him" to the degree they could - while getting comparable return.

Still, I really don't think we offered all 3 picks.

[Tha Cynic]

I'm not sure how Masai was planning to keep Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Dame together after this season. Maybe the play was to make a subsequent trade.

But, there's huge pressure now to either retain OG, and Siakam or trade them.

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

[TorontoBarneys]

OG+Gradey is an overpay for Lillard in the context that we are too far away from contention to make that kind of move. Let alone if any picks were outgoing in a deal like that. The trade might be "fair" from a neutral, value standpoint, but subjectively when taking into account our situation alone, it's just too expensive to do.

Some posters just do not want to admit this but the team that traded for Kawhi was just much better than our current squad. Kawhi was really the final piece. Dame absolutely wouldn't be.

[TheRealDeal]

Lillard not wanting to come here just makes me appreciate what Kawhi did for us even more

[MiamiSPX]

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

100% agree. I am as down on this roster as the next guy but adding Dame while only parting with GTJ as the noteworthy piece would have been insane.

I am not giving you one of the best defensive wings in the league after Dame made it known, unsurprisingly, that he didn't want to go to Toronto. I have to pay a premium and now have the added task of keeping this guy happy for 4 years? No thanks.

[bape_lovers]

if you want to play that game, miami didnt sign any good apart from jimmy? the knicks got Brunson?

Those Bucks picks will be lucrative. Giannis will be 34 and Dame will be gone. The Bucks also won't have much in terms of draft capital to improve their team.

And Milwaukee isn’t a free agent hot spot

Neither are the Raptors.