Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[bape_lovers]

make sense tho, dame is way better situation now

Lillard not wanting to come here just makes me appreciate what Kawhi did for us even more

[LBJKB24MJ23]

OG+Gradey is an overpay for Lillard in the context that we are too far away from contention to make that kind of move. Let alone if any picks were outgoing in a deal like that. The trade might be "fair" from a neutral, value standpoint, but subjectively when taking into account our situation alone, it's just too expensive to do.

Some posters just do not want to admit this but the team that traded for Kawhi was just much better than our current squad. Kawhi was really the final piece. Dame absolutely wouldn't be.

every poster knows this. come on man. that team was deep. all we had to do was trade one star for another. that team prior to Kawhi was always knocking on the door but the one guy who didn't make a different, Derozan, got replaced by Kawhi.

this team would only be legit if they didn't move Barnes, Siakam, and OG, albiet not deep atm after the perceived trade, but legit into contender status for sure.

[Zeno]

I'm not sure how Masai was planning to keep Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Dame together after this season. Maybe the play was to make a subsequent trade.

But, there's huge pressure now to either retain OG, and Siakam or trade them.

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

The interesting thing about that Gary based offer was that it may show that the organization is open to being a deep tax team cause not trading OG in the deal means that if you are lucky enough to extend everyone that team will get super expensive for multiple seasons.

[sidsid]

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

100% agree. I am as down on this roster as the next guy but adding Dame while only parting with GTJ as the noteworthy piece would have been insane.

I am not giving you one of the best defensive wings in the league after Dame made it known, unsurprisingly, that he didn't want to go to Toronto. I have to pay a premium and now have the added task of keeping this guy happy for 4 years? No thanks.

I said it earlier in the thread, but one of the few things that we know for certain is that Damian Lillard wants to play with OG! Real, true facts stated during last year's Portland 7th pick auction.

Every single rational reasoning for this trade points to not including OG in it.

[Kurtz]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

[Fairview4Life]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

Well wtf do you want us to do? Just sit around and wait?

[TheRealDeal]

I guess Lowry won’t get to play for Billups after all

[sidsid]

I'm not sure how Masai was planning to keep Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Dame together after this season. Maybe the play was to make a subsequent trade.

But, there's huge pressure now to either retain OG, and Siakam or trade them.

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

The interesting thing about that Gary based offer was that it may show that the organization is open to being a deep tax team cause not trading OG in the deal means that if you are lucky enough to extend everyone that team will get super expensive for multiple seasons.

Not so sure about that. The running theory I have since seeing them strike out on the planned Giannis FA period is an FO that likes to keep plates spinning like they're in an endless Safdie brothers movie.

They'll deal with trades to manage cap when they have to, and pay a premium for it if needed.

Ownership would greenlight the tax, but Trent or Jak and whatever else would be jettisoned to make the numbers manageable if they needed it to.

[Kurtz]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

Well wtf do you want us to do? Just sit around and wait?

Have fun with the rumours from these less than credible sources, but keep it in perspective and don't base your entire fan identity on them.

[canada_dry]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

There were reports of the bucks being interested but it was viewed as a long shot. Their name was out there though, just like the Sixers. Reported as teams that had made a call at least and expressed interest.

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[Zeno]

I'm not sure how Masai was planning to keep Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, OG and Dame together after this season. Maybe the play was to make a subsequent trade.

But, there's huge pressure now to either retain OG, and Siakam or trade them.

I'm not fussed that this team tried to pull off a heist which they were pretty close to pulling off and going from a team expected to go youth to contender. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at that. It isn't always bad to have and keep your options open.

Based on what Milwaukee gave up I wouldn't have added OG.

The interesting thing about that Gary based offer was that it may show that the organization is open to being a deep tax team cause not trading OG in the deal means that if you are lucky enough to extend everyone that team will get super expensive for multiple seasons.

Not so sure about that. The running theory I have since seeing them strike out on the planned Giannis FA period is an FO that likes to keep plates spinning like they're in an endless Safdie brothers movie.

They'll deal with trades to manage cap when they have to, and pay a premium for it if needed.

Ownership would greenlight the tax, but Trent or Jak and whatever else would be jettisoned to make the numbers manageable if they needed it to.

Trent was already going to be out the door in the package we offered so that would have helped. As would Precious going out who in for a raise next year. But that would have been a multi year tax team for sure.

[Duffman100]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

Well wtf do you want us to do? Just sit around and wait?

Have fun with the rumours from these less than credible sources, but keep it in perspective and don't base your entire fan identity on them.

This just isn't the way it's done around here.

[NinjaBro]

Some posters just do not want to admit this but the team that traded for Kawhi was just much better than our current squad. Kawhi was really the final piece. Dame absolutely wouldn't be.

Absolutely no one in this forum believes that our current squad is better than our team that traded for kawhi. Stop it!

[Scase]

Read on Twitter

You can get almost anyone if you overpay for no reason while compromising the entire reason you're making the trade (contending).

The NBA math is that superstars win, and trading for a 33yo who isn't one while closing off avenues to get there in the future isn't it.

I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

[YogurtProducer]

Read on Twitter

You can get almost anyone if you overpay for no reason while compromising the entire reason you're making the trade (contending).

The NBA math is that superstars win, and trading for a 33yo who isn't one while closing off avenues to get there in the future isn't it.

I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

While I was onboard to trade OG for Dame, I can 100% understand why someone (such as our FO) would not.

It is not necessarily that OG > Dame, it is that OG > Dame for a team that just won 41 game and Dame is not good enough to catapult us into the upper tier. I personally thought he would, but you cannot really blame someone for not.

[Realkeeper]

Well wtf do you want us to do? Just sit around and wait?

Have fun with the rumours from these less than credible sources, but keep it in perspective and don't base your entire fan identity on them.

This just isn't the way it's done around here.

There was a Raptors fan fiction thread a number of years ago, maybe we should dust that off...

[tecumseh18]

Some posters just do not want to admit this but the team that traded for Kawhi was just much better than our current squad. Kawhi was really the final piece. Dame absolutely wouldn't be.

Absolutely no one in this forum believes that our current squad is better than our team that traded for kawhi. Stop it!

2018 Raps were top team (regular season) in the EC that year, and the #2 seed in the NBA. And they swept the seasons series against the #1 seed (the Rockets). Kawhi even said it, he was intrigued by the Raptors' success, and showed up because he saw a chance for a championship.

Here's how good that team was - they went 17-5 without Kawhi that season, and were the #2 seed in the NBA for the third straight year, the season AFTER he left. We all know these facts, and know that this Raptors' team is nowhere near as good as that Raptors team - before or after Kawhi.

[Zeno]

Have fun with the rumours from these less than credible sources, but keep it in perspective and don't base your entire fan identity on them.

This just isn't the way it's done around here.

There was a Raptors fan fiction thread a number of years ago, maybe we should dust that off...

Please don’t. Man that was creepy.

[BDE]

Still can't get over how well Masai played this. Loving it. Let Milwaukee pay Lillard while we build a solid foundation here. 4D chess. It's Dame Time? Ya. In sunny Milwaukee. I'm good with OG over Lillard. Makes sense on a few levels.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The thing that's become abundantly clear is how much general BS is out there and how little credence people should be giving to any source that's not WOJ or Shams.

IE we've been repeatedly told that Miami never budged from the Hero + two 1sts offer. Now it comes out that their offer was actually significantly greater and clearly superior to what Phoenix got from Bucks, and they basically just acted out of spite.

The story on Dame to Raps has also changed a number of times, from us offering OG to not offering OG to a deal being done but Dame refusing to play here.

And not a single reporter had the scoop of the Bucks being interested.

Just an incredible amount of BS floating out there, and folks need to stop treating every rando tweet as the gospel.

Only Shams has it that the Heat offered more, which contradicts every other report. It is not to be believed at all. Portland was playing Toronto and Miami off each other in the media.

Toronto knows that Miami won't budge their Herro + 2 FRP offer, so they don't put OG on the table. Portland is privately keeping Milwaukee's bid out of the media, likely because Milwaukee doesn't want to upset Jrue if OG then gets added and knocks them out. Miami's offer according to Shams, is overwhelmingly better than anything anyone offered and Cronin has a job to do, including making Toronto think that Miami's offer is better than Herro + 2 FRPs, or Milwaukee think that Miami's offer is better than Herro + 2 FRPs. Miami's offer was weak. Riley was under the impression that he just had to beat out Toronto, and he and Dame's agent pushed a bunch of scare tactics about Dame's future behaviour, Masai's flakiness in deals, attempting to keep Toronto out of it or cause Portland second thoughts about negotiating with us.