Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[TorontoBarneys]

Some posters just do not want to admit this but the team that traded for Kawhi was just much better than our current squad. Kawhi was really the final piece. Dame absolutely wouldn't be.

Absolutely no one in this forum believes that our current squad is better than our team that traded for kawhi. Stop it!

I swear I've read this very sentiment this summer from one or two posters here, I just can't remember who it was exactly. Oh well.

[JRoy]

Uhh what? Gtj would be going to the suns, which he has way better value than Grayson Allen. Portland would get precious and dick who are 2 prospects + picks. Portland even said they wanted dick. You guys will get fleeced now.. because jrue is 33 and expiring, he can leave for nothing if portland doesn’t accept the trash coming their way for him. People can easily lowball. Portland has no leverage here at all

You think Jrue will not pick up his option, knowing he will never get an offer that high again?

drew might retire, he's said he's going to after his contract expires.

He came back right before the trade and countered that.

[MiamiSPX]

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After a while, it becomes obvious who Shams and Woj are each in bed with.

I also don't buy this for a second.

[JRoy]

Uhh what? Gtj would be going to the suns, which he has way better value than Grayson Allen. Portland would get precious and dick who are 2 prospects + picks. Portland even said they wanted dick. You guys will get fleeced now.. because jrue is 33 and expiring, he can leave for nothing if portland doesn’t accept the trash coming their way for him. People can easily lowball. Portland has no leverage here at all

You think Jrue will not pick up his option, knowing he will never get an offer that high again?

He politely declines playing for a bad team as he can easily get a multi-year deal if he puts up close to what he did this previous season.

Portland took an offer worse what you were rueing down here lol

Maybe he does. Maybe this has already been decided one way or the other.

At this point the grade is incomplete.

[Son Goku 25]

Trying to protect the bucks tampering claims lol

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[Son Goku 25]

Funny how media can change the image of a person.

Bucks tampering + traded away a loyal player who helped win them a ship since forever and wanted to retire there but they'll talk about how good and smart they are and how evil the Raptors are. Funny how that works.

[Tha Cynic]

Funny how media can change the image of a person.

Bucks tampering + traded away a loyal player who helped win them a ship since forever and wanted to retire there but they'll talk about how good and smart they are and how evil the Raptors are. Funny how that works.

Yeah, man the Raptors get thrown under the bus a lot. I wonder what's happening to make the media always make the Raptors put to be the bad guy. Somehow Miami is the team that did everything they could lol. Meanwhile apparently the Raptors should have offered OG and some even said Barnes and both of those players are better than what Miami or Milwaukee offered.

At some point our fanbase is going to have to realize the Raptors have a lot of US people against them. This USA vs Canada is a factor for sure as it's basically inbred into people south of the border to be patriotic.

Support your team and don't believe everything you hear. Masai brought this team a championship and he tried to make another massive trade that was clearly close to being finalized.

[canada_dry]

You can get almost anyone if you overpay for no reason while compromising the entire reason you're making the trade (contending).

The NBA math is that superstars win, and trading for a 33yo who isn't one while closing off avenues to get there in the future isn't it.

I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

Except the fact that og is a flight risk on top.of that and is gonna walk unless he is allowed.to get his numbers here. Its just not a good decision everything considered.

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[Pointgod]

You can get almost anyone if you overpay for no reason while compromising the entire reason you're making the trade (contending).

The NBA math is that superstars win, and trading for a 33yo who isn't one while closing off avenues to get there in the future isn't it.

I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

You’re looking at it wrong. Why would we have to give up more than what Milwaukee to get Dame? Let’s look at what the Bucks gave up…
Jrue, 1st round pick, 2 pick swaps and Grayson Allen.
Grayson Allen is salary filler that went to Phoenix, he’s easily replaceable with Otto Porter Jr, Chris Boucher. There’s zero need to put Grady Dick or GTJ in the trade. So in the end it’s OG, a pick and two swaps + Chris Boucher and maybe you throw in some seconds or Precious to close the gap between OG and Holiday.

Yeah I’m not convinced that overall roster post Dame is championship material but if you’re going to go for a player like Dame then commit to being a winning team and Dame does more for winning than OG, especially given what you’d have to give up. Again I’m not saying this just to **** on Masai because I wasn’t leaning towards trading for Dame but if you’re going to explore it then put out a serious offer.

[WuTang_CMB]

Funny how media can change the image of a person.

Bucks tampering + traded away a loyal player who helped win them a ship since forever and wanted to retire there but they'll talk about how good and smart they are and how evil the Raptors are. Funny how that works.

Masai really needs to flex

[ForeverTFC]

Funny how media can change the image of a person.

Bucks tampering + traded away a loyal player who helped win them a ship since forever and wanted to retire there but they'll talk about how good and smart they are and how evil the Raptors are. Funny how that works.

It's because our FO doesn't play the media game. I know it's become a meme, but when Woj never knows your pick but has everyone else's, it becomes pretty clear. Don't play the media game, they'll go after you.

After a while, it becomes obvious who Shams and Woj are each in bed with.

I also don't buy this for a second.

Woj is fed by FOs and Shams is fed by the players and their agents.

[WuTang_CMB]

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I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

Except the fact that og is a flight risk on top.of that and is gonna walk unless he is allowed.to get his numbers here. Its just not a good decision everything considered.

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Honestly, I dont think OG is much of a flight risk, but I can definitely see your point.

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I wasn’t in favour of trading for Dame but we’ve really lost the plot if you believe that OG for Dame is any type of overpay. This is why teams don’t take our front office seriously. Raps fans need to get out of our bubble and realize the value of some of our players around the league.

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

You’re looking at it wrong. Why would we have to give up more than what Milwaukee to get Dame? Let’s look at what the Bucks gave up…
Jrue, 1st round pick, 2 pick swaps and Grayson Allen.
Grayson Allen is salary filler that went to Phoenix, he’s easily replaceable with Otto Porter Jr, Chris Boucher. There’s zero need to put Grady Dick or GTJ in the trade. So in the end it’s OG, a pick and two swaps + Chris Boucher and maybe you throw in some seconds or Precious to close the gap between OG and Holiday.

Yeah I’m not convinced that overall roster post Dame is championship material but if you’re going to go for a player like Dame then commit to being a winning team and Dame does more for winning than OG, especially given what you’d have to give up. Again I’m not saying this just to **** on Masai because I wasn’t leaning towards trading for Dame but if you’re going to explore it then put out a serious offer.

Keep in mind there are also the conflicting reports that claim OG was definitely on the table, but Dame had a say in where he went. At the end of the day, all I will say, is that we definitely dodged a bullet.

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After a while, it becomes obvious who Shams and Woj are each in bed with.

I also don't buy this for a second.

Doesn't matter what people believe, it's what people can prove haha

[Pointgod]

I think people need to stop looking at it as OG is valued more than Dame. And more that adding Dame and losing OG + the rest does not make this team significantly better, or at least not enough to make any real noise.

This is one of the few things I think Masai has done right the last few years, if you can get dame without giving up players that have a lot of value, (GTJ/Dick/Filler) you go for it. But if you have to give up the depth that is absolutely needed for a team with Dame on it to actually succeed, then he was absolutely right not to offer that.

This comes down to overall roster, not OG vs Dame.

You’re looking at it wrong. Why would we have to give up more than what Milwaukee to get Dame? Let’s look at what the Bucks gave up…
Jrue, 1st round pick, 2 pick swaps and Grayson Allen.
Grayson Allen is salary filler that went to Phoenix, he’s easily replaceable with Otto Porter Jr, Chris Boucher. There’s zero need to put Grady Dick or GTJ in the trade. So in the end it’s OG, a pick and two swaps + Chris Boucher and maybe you throw in some seconds or Precious to close the gap between OG and Holiday.

Yeah I’m not convinced that overall roster post Dame is championship material but if you’re going to go for a player like Dame then commit to being a winning team and Dame does more for winning than OG, especially given what you’d have to give up. Again I’m not saying this just to **** on Masai because I wasn’t leaning towards trading for Dame but if you’re going to explore it then put out a serious offer.

Keep in mind there are also the conflicting reports that claim OG was definitely on the table, but Dame had a say in where he went. At the end of the day, all I will say, is that we definitely dodged a bullet.

Again at the end of the day if Dame was against coming here then yeah you stop talking trade but thinking that you could get Dame without at the very least putting OG in the deal is a hilarious level of delusion.

[Scase]

You’re looking at it wrong. Why would we have to give up more than what Milwaukee to get Dame? Let’s look at what the Bucks gave up…
Jrue, 1st round pick, 2 pick swaps and Grayson Allen.
Grayson Allen is salary filler that went to Phoenix, he’s easily replaceable with Otto Porter Jr, Chris Boucher. There’s zero need to put Grady Dick or GTJ in the trade. So in the end it’s OG, a pick and two swaps + Chris Boucher and maybe you throw in some seconds or Precious to close the gap between OG and Holiday.

Yeah I’m not convinced that overall roster post Dame is championship material but if you’re going to go for a player like Dame then commit to being a winning team and Dame does more for winning than OG, especially given what you’d have to give up. Again I’m not saying this just to **** on Masai because I wasn’t leaning towards trading for Dame but if you’re going to explore it then put out a serious offer.

Keep in mind there are also the conflicting reports that claim OG was definitely on the table, but Dame had a say in where he went. At the end of the day, all I will say, is that we definitely dodged a bullet.

Again at the end of the day if Dame was against coming here then yeah you stop talking trade but thinking that you could get Dame without at the very least putting OG in the deal is a hilarious level of delusion.

Shoot your shot I guess. It seems Masai is never serious about any trades that don't involve shovelling more FRPs to the Spurs.

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I wonder if the NBA intervened and said trade Lillard to anywhere except Miami since it would set a bad precedent for the league.