Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[MilHammer]

I'm tired of getting guys who are good regular season depth but unplayable in the offseason. Horst is a legend and the Dame trade solidified that. But his rotation pickups haven't moved the needle since the chip.

We definitely need to improve our perimeter defense. We will get torched and it'll definitely lead to Giannis/Brook foul trouble if completely unaddressed.

Thankfully, I think there are some decent options to be had and we have time.

[soxperry]

I'm tired of getting guys who are good regular season depth but unplayable in the offseason. Horst is a legend and the Dame trade solidified that. But his rotation pickups haven't moved the needle since the chip.

We definitely need to improve our perimeter defense. We will get torched and it'll definitely lead to Giannis/Brook foul trouble if completely unaddressed.

Thankfully, I think there are some decent options to be had and we have time.

yeah, i mean that's what everyone wants and there aren't that many of them. and you dont really know if an unproven guy is going to be one type or the other until they are tested. thankfully, we do have a handful of guys on this team that are battle tested, and we have two elite top end talents, so that's a great start. but the work is not done.

one unfortunate side to us getting Dame is that it puts pressure on teams like Boston, Denver and Phoenix to make their own additions. so while we are the current favorite, it may not stay that way. at the very least, something will happen to shrink the gap.

Holiday is the big chip that will go somewhere but a guy like Caruso could also be a big addition. IMO, if we could somehow land Caruso it would put us into a territory of unattainable dominance, where there's really no move anyone can make that makes them better than us. Still gotta play the games, but that would be amazing. But let's say you get Holiday to Boston and Caruso to Denver. That's an issue. The general fan wins here, though. This is going to be one hell of a season.

[MilHammer]

I'm tired of getting guys who are good regular season depth but unplayable in the offseason. Horst is a legend and the Dame trade solidified that. But his rotation pickups haven't moved the needle since the chip.

We definitely need to improve our perimeter defense. We will get torched and it'll definitely lead to Giannis/Brook foul trouble if completely unaddressed.

Thankfully, I think there are some decent options to be had and we have time.

yeah, i mean that's what everyone wants and there aren't that many of them. and you dont really know if an unproven guy is going to be one type or the other until they are tested. thankfully, we do have a handful of guys on this team that are battle tested, and we have two elite top end talents, so that's a great start. but the work is not done.

one unfortunate side to us getting Dame is that it puts pressure on teams like Boston, Denver and Phoenix to make their own additions. so while we are the current favorite, it may not stay that way. at the very least, something will happen to shrink the gap.

Holiday is the big chip that will go somewhere but a guy like Caruso could also be a big addition. IMO, if we could somehow land Caruso it would put us into a territory of unattainable dominance, where there's really no move anyone can make that makes them better than us. Still gotta play the games, but that would be amazing. But let's say you get Holiday to Boston and Caruso to Denver. That's an issue. The general fan wins here, though. This is going to be one hell of a season.

I agree. Crowder looked like a great move on paper - some of Horst's flops are not entirely on him. Fortunately we do have valuable role players (IE Portis) who could be flipped for a perimeter player if it looks like a major problem in season. Getting elite elite level offense is near impossible and we pulled it off. Getting a good perimeter defender who can hit 3s at an acceptable clip is attainable with the assets we have.

[theFireBlanket]

AJJ has his locker inbetween Giannis & Dame. Thats a rookie tradition no? Marjon was between Giannis & Khris previously?

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[JayMKE]

Bucks don't need a 12 man rotation so the all important last roster spot isn't a big deal, I feel pretty good about everybody on this roster

[crowhead76]

Wanting Bullock to be the 5th starter sounds a lot like last year thinking Wes was going to get us another ring.

In a perfect world, Marjon breaks out this year and is your 5th starter, Bullock comes off the bench. TyTy and Jazz can handle the back up PG during the season or until a better option becomes available. Also Bullock spent the majority of his time playing the 4 last year so he is Crowder insurance as well. I like the idea of having a bench stable of Pat, Bullock, and Crowder.

Lillard | Washington (2way) | Gortman (2way)
Beauchamp | Pat | Beasley | Green | Moore (2way)
Middleton | Bullock | AJJ | Livingstonn
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

(I also waived Wiggenton and signed Gortman to the 2 way here)

[Badgerlander]

Wanting Bullock to be the 5th starter sounds a lot like last year thinking Wes was going to get us another ring.

In a perfect world, Marjon breaks out this year and is your 5th starter, Bullock comes off the bench. TyTy and Jazz can handle the back up PG during the season or until a better option becomes available. Also Bullock spent the majority of his time playing the 4 last year so he is Crowder insurance as well. I like the idea of having a bench stable of Pat, Bullock, and Crowder.

Lillard | Washington (2way) | Gortman (2way)
Beauchamp | Pat | Beasley | Green | Moore (2way)
Middleton | Bullock | AJJ | Livingstonn
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

(I also waived Wiggenton and signed Gortman to the 2 way here)

Yeah, I’m more in the Andre camp at back up PG and our best defender next to Lillard, but we probably hold off doing anything FA/tradewise until the coaches get a chance to evaluate Tyty in camp. By all means waive Wiggs. I’d sign Bullock and waive Beasley, but I’d rather pull the trigger on trading for Tre Mann. Even Hield sounds better than the mediocre set of Pat, Bullock, Jae, and Beasley. Seems like Pat, Wes, Jingles, Jae level deck chairs that left us with Jrue guarding Himmy, and probably leads us to using Andre in the role.

[SirChurros]

We need proven depth. I get having confidence in young guys like AJJ, MarJon and Green, and getting them minutes, but that’s a lot of unknown.

Bullock and Payne are veterans and relatively proven commodities.

[Badgerlander]

AJ Green being talked about as anything but a totally fine wide open three point shooter in garbage time is totally bizarre. He's not Buddy Hield. He's not a guy you want handling the ball.

bruh, you dont want to broach that topic here just trust me. just take the knowledge that you are right and walk the other direction.

In fairness I felt exactly the same way about Grayson

[ShootingtheJ]

AJ Green being talked about as anything but a totally fine wide open three point shooter in garbage time is totally bizarre. He's not Buddy Hield. He's not a guy you want handling the ball.

bruh, you dont want to broach that topic here just trust me. just take the knowledge that you are right and walk the other direction.

In fairness I felt exactly the same way about Grayson

Agree. Also, even though I'm not a huge AJ Green guy, I need to know what Beasley does better than Green. It's not shooting the 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Malik cut during camp.

[paulpressey25]

bruh, you dont want to broach that topic here just trust me. just take the knowledge that you are right and walk the other direction.

In fairness I felt exactly the same way about Grayson

Agree. Also, even though I'm not a huge AJ Green guy, I need to know what Beasley does better than Green. It's not shooting the 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Malik cut during camp.

Beasley can get his own shot off under pressure. He can rise and elevate.

[crowhead76]

Wanting Bullock to be the 5th starter sounds a lot like last year thinking Wes was going to get us another ring.

In a perfect world, Marjon breaks out this year and is your 5th starter, Bullock comes off the bench. TyTy and Jazz can handle the back up PG during the season or until a better option becomes available. Also Bullock spent the majority of his time playing the 4 last year so he is Crowder insurance as well. I like the idea of having a bench stable of Pat, Bullock, and Crowder.

Lillard | Washington (2way) | Gortman (2way)
Beauchamp | Pat | Beasley | Green | Moore (2way)
Middleton | Bullock | AJJ | Livingstonn
Giannis | Crowder | Thanasis
Lopez | Portis | Lopez

(I also waived Wiggenton and signed Gortman to the 2 way here)

Yeah, I’m more in the Andre camp at back up PG and our best defender next to Lillard, but we probably hold off doing anything FA/tradewise until the coaches get a chance to evaluate Tyty in camp. By all means waive Wiggs. I’d sign Bullock and waive Beasley, but I’d rather pull the trigger on trading for Tre Mann. Even Hield sounds better than the mediocre set of Pat, Bullock, Jae, and Beasley. Seems like Pat, Wes, Jingles, Jae level deck chairs that left us with Jrue guarding Himmy, and probably leads us to using Andre in the role.

Who are you trading for Tre Mann? Have to send either Pat or Bobby out and get 2 players back. Poku and Mann? Mann and Kenrich Williams? That is a very inexperienced roster to take into a championship or bust season in my opinion. I do like the idea of adding youth to the roster and I also like the idea of AJJ backing up at PG, but the Bucks did not do this at all during summer league so I am hesitant to slot him there. Counting on both AJJ and Marjon to be championship quality starters/rotation players this year is a bit of a gamble, adding a quality 3 and D wing early on just feels like the better bet to me. Bullock also probably nets you a 2nd round pick on a minimum contract at the deadline if he does not work out. If OKC gets off to a good start, maybe they do Mann for Beasley and Bullock at the deadline, I do not think Mann will have a ton of opportunity to increase his value as the 3rd string PG in OKC after an underwhelming season last year.

[Badgerlander]

bruh, you dont want to broach that topic here just trust me. just take the knowledge that you are right and walk the other direction.

In fairness I felt exactly the same way about Grayson

Agree. Also, even though I'm not a huge AJ Green guy, I need to know what Beasley does better than Green. It's not shooting the 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Malik cut during camp.

Malik isn’t getting cut, just hope we can find something better or a young guy breaks out

[SirChurros]

Just get Bullock and Payne and call it an offseason.

[MilHammer]

Im not sure where our faith in 2rd rd picks and rookies becoming playoff starters is coming from. Were either rolling with Pat, Crowder, Beasley or we are getting an upgrade.

My guess is we get one of Payne/Bullock and call it a day for now. See what becomes available in the regular season and if Marjon miraculously steps up.

[ReasonablySober]

Can we get Timelord?

[SirChurros]

Im not sure where our faith in 2rd rd picks and rookies becoming playoff starters is coming from. Were either rolling with Pat, Crowder, Beasley or we are getting an upgrade.

My guess is we get one of Payne/Bullock and call it a day for now. See what becomes available in the regular season and if Marjon miracioisly steps up.

100 percent agree here.

[WiscoKing13]

Would much rather have Bullock than Payne

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[LittleRooster]

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[Matches Malone]

Nice