The Official Jaden McDaniels Thread

[KGdaBom]

Prepare to be disappointed, Jaden is getting paid big time.

($25MM is below market value nowadays anyways, assuming even decent offensive improvement.)

As a market in general the Twin Cities area sports teams IMO have a big history of overpaying to keep our own. The Vikings being the biggest offender. Casual NBA fans have either no knowledge of who Jaden McDaniels is and if they've even heard of him probably couldn't name the team he plays for. I don't get these contracts. He can play basketball pretty well. He's never sniffed an all star nod. That's worth $30 million or more a year? It's not my money.

This time 3 years ago I didn't expect my grocery cost would double in just 3 years either.
Times change. A dollar today is not the same as a dollar tomorrow.
I know it looks like an enormous amount of money (and it is), but it's a big business.

It's relative. A better perspective is to look at it as a % of the salary cap starting with the 24/25 season.
If he signs an extension starting at 25 mil per, that's 16.7% (almost exactly 1/6th) of the salary cap.
When Ant will be earning 25% or 30% of the cap and KAT 35%.
I think that's well in line with what Jaden is worth.

Regarding his role in the offense, he's simply way too talented not to be shooting the ball more.

He's not a star. Do not stars get $30 million in the NBA now?

[TimberKat]

If it's any where near 30mil, I will let it play out this year and flip him for a starting PG. Maybe even trade him now for Borgdon + 1st with POR. Although it will be tricky as I am not sure we want to give up Conley in this case.

[KGdaBom]

This time 3 years ago I didn't expect my grocery cost would double in just 3 years either.
Times change. A dollar today is not the same as a dollar tomorrow.
I know it looks like an enormous amount of money (and it is), but it's a big business.

It's relative. A better perspective is to look at it as a % of the salary cap starting with the 24/25 season.
If he signs an extension starting at 25 mil per, that's 16.7% (almost exactly 1/6th) of the salary cap.
When Ant will be earning 25% or 30% of the cap and KAT 35%.
I think that's well in line with what Jaden is worth.

Regarding his role in the offense, he's simply way too talented not to be shooting the ball more.

The salary cap isn't the cost of eggs or a case of mountain dew. The salary cap is up 24.6% in the 3 years, which yes is a big jump. 2 years ago Bridges signed a 4 year 90 million dollar contract, while Jaden certainly has the potential of being better than Bridges one day, it's more than likely he doesn't get close to as good as Bridges who is still improving quite a bit. The salary cap is up 21% from 2 years ago, a massive jump no doubt, but if we assumed Jaden is equal to Bridges (he's not) that would be 4 years 108.9 million. That is 27.2 million average per year, if we think Jaden is anywhere near the player Bridges is. I think we offer him 4 year 100 million as our final offer, and if he turns it down we let this season play out and see his improvements. If his scoring goes up slightly, his 3pt percentage drops like it did in his 2nd season, and he continues to struggle rebounding and staying on the court, I drop the price next summer. If he comes out and shoots near 40% from 3 again on more volume, ups the scoring to 15+ ups his rebounds to 6+ and drops his fouls per game from 3.4 to 2.5, than you offer him a significant contract.

At the time of signing, the consensus was that Phoenix got a great deal on the extension number. Even with that said, you can’t compare Jaden McDaniels’ trajectory to Mikal Bridges’, his improvement was not guaranteed; it makes more sense to directly compare their first three seasons.

I would expect something like $120MM/4, as the likely deal.

It might be and it makes me ill. He's not a star.

[Klomp]

He's not a star. Do not stars get $30 million in the NBA now?

That's what you think stars get?!

Jokic - $55 million/year
Curry - $54 million/year
Embiid - $53 million/year
James - $50 million/year
Beal - $50 million/year
Butler - $49 million/year
Durant - $49 million/year

How much longer would you like me to continue?

[KGdaBom]

He's not a star. Do not stars get $30 million in the NBA now?

That's what you think stars get?!

Jokic - $55 million/year
Curry - $54 million/year
Embiid - $53 million/year
James - $50 million/year
Beal - $50 million/year
Butler - $49 million/year
Durant - $49 million/year

How much longer would you like me to continue?

You can continue for another 100 players if you want.
I get that the best in the league get more. I just don't get how not stars can get $30 Million or more a year .

[Klomp]

I get that the best in the league get more. I just don't get how not stars can get $30 Million or more a year .

A few highlights between $30-40 million.

Tobias Harris - $36 million/year
Porter Jr. - $36 million/year (remember who gave him this deal)
Simmons - $35 million/year
Poole - $32 million/year
Grant - $32 million/year
Middleton - $31 million/year
Paul - $30 million/year
Herro - $30 million/year
Hayward - $30 million/year
Lowry - $28 million/year
Wiggins - $27 million/year

[KGdaBom]

I get that the best in the league get more. I just don't get how not stars can get $30 Million or more a year .

A few highlights between $30-40 million.

Tobias Harris - $36 million/year
Porter Jr. - $36 million/year (remember who gave him this deal)
Simmons - $35 million/year
Poole - $32 million/year
Grant - $32 million/year
Middleton - $31 million/year
Paul - $30 million/year
Herro - $30 million/year
Hayward - $30 million/year
Lowry - $28 million/year
Wiggins - $27 million/year

Every one of those players is more recognizable by far than Jaden.

[BlacJacMac]

I get that the best in the league get more. I just don't get how not stars can get $30 Million or more a year .

A few highlights between $30-40 million.

Tobias Harris - $36 million/year
Porter Jr. - $36 million/year (remember who gave him this deal)
Simmons - $35 million/year
Poole - $32 million/year
Grant - $32 million/year
Middleton - $31 million/year
Paul - $30 million/year
Herro - $30 million/year
Hayward - $30 million/year
Lowry - $28 million/year
Wiggins - $27 million/year

Every one of those players is more recognizable by far than Jaden.

But not better.

[KGdaBom]

NBA.com has McDaniels rated 133rd best fantasy player for this season. I know it' not real basketball, but they place a lot of importance on steals and blocks. Here is there write up on Jaden.

Jaden McDaniels, MIN: Boasted an improved three-point shot while being a defensive stopper. He may never be trusted to make plays, but his three-and-D potential looks promising.

[BlacJacMac]

I don’t care if he helps a fantasy team win, just that he helps the Timberwolves win.

[TimberKat]

A few highlights between $30-40 million.

Tobias Harris - $36 million/year
Porter Jr. - $36 million/year (remember who gave him this deal)
Simmons - $35 million/year
Poole - $32 million/year
Grant - $32 million/year
Middleton - $31 million/year
Paul - $30 million/year
Herro - $30 million/year
Hayward - $30 million/year
Lowry - $28 million/year
Wiggins - $27 million/year

Every one of those players is more recognizable by far than Jaden.

But not better.

They were all better than JMcD when they signed the contract. If we are going to spend 30mil on him, I would combine his money with KA or Conley or Naz money and get an all star level player. If he peaks at the current level, 30mil is a bad contract. Brogdon is at 22.5mil. Clutchpoints player ranking had JMcD rank 84.

[BlacJacMac]

I don’t see any reason to believe he’s peaked. I’d happily gamble on him just scratching the surface.

[Klomp]

Every one of those players is more recognizable by far than Jaden.

But not better.

They were all better than JMcD when they signed the contract. If we are going to spend 30mil on him, I would combine his money with KA or Conley or Naz money and get an all star level player. If he peaks at the current level, 30mil is a bad contract. Brogdon is at 22.5mil. Clutchpoints player ranking had JMcD rank 84.

He's 23 years old, my god. Why on earth would we be extending him if we thought he already peaked?!

[TimberKat]

But not better.

They were all better than JMcD when they signed the contract. If we are going to spend 30mil on him, I would combine his money with KA or Conley or Naz money and get an all star level player. If he peaks at the current level, 30mil is a bad contract. Brogdon is at 22.5mil. Clutchpoints player ranking had JMcD rank 84.

He's 23 years old, my god. Why on earth would we be extending him if we thought he already peaked?!

Why not, he is a good serviceable player even if he peaks. Many, many players sign extensions in 20 mil range. We extended Naz at 14mil. Are you saying we should sign him to 30 mil and what are you expecting he will be during the extension? Like Cam Johnson? Bridges?

[KGdaBom]

But not better.

They were all better than JMcD when they signed the contract. If we are going to spend 30mil on him, I would combine his money with KA or Conley or Naz money and get an all star level player. If he peaks at the current level, 30mil is a bad contract. Brogdon is at 22.5mil. Clutchpoints player ranking had JMcD rank 84.

He's 23 years old, my god. Why on earth would we be extending him if we thought he already peaked?!

Klomp I personally like Jaden. I think he can become a quite good player. He sure hasn't been a quite good player so far. I'm kind of lamenting the idea that a player doesn't even need to be particularly good in the NBA to make $30 Million. At this point in his career Jaden is just a guy. Maybe he's just a guy we will be paying $30 Million a year or more.

[Klomp]

They were all better than JMcD when they signed the contract. If we are going to spend 30mil on him, I would combine his money with KA or Conley or Naz money and get an all star level player. If he peaks at the current level, 30mil is a bad contract. Brogdon is at 22.5mil. Clutchpoints player ranking had JMcD rank 84.

He's 23 years old, my god. Why on earth would we be extending him if we thought he already peaked?!

Klomp I personally like Jaden. I think he can become a quite good player. He sure hasn't been a quite good player so far. I'm kind of lamenting the idea that a player doesn't even need to be particularly good in the NBA to make $30 Million. At this point in his career Jaden is just a guy. Maybe he's just a guy we will be paying $30 Million a year or more.

I'm sorry, but this is funny to me. Near all-defense at 23 is not easy. Listen to stars around the league gushing about him. He's not just a guy.

I get you don't feel comfortable paying guys $30 million, but the league doesn't have a $50 million salary cap anymore and the roster sizes haven't changed. I appreciate the pay bumps being spread among the entire teams and not just the star player making $100 million while everyone else is on minimums.

[KGdaBom]

He's 23 years old, my god. Why on earth would we be extending him if we thought he already peaked?!

Klomp I personally like Jaden. I think he can become a quite good player. He sure hasn't been a quite good player so far. I'm kind of lamenting the idea that a player doesn't even need to be particularly good in the NBA to make $30 Million. At this point in his career Jaden is just a guy. Maybe he's just a guy we will be paying $30 Million a year or more.

It's not funny. It's a fact. There are sources that don't even rate him among the top 100 players in the NBA. He's generally regarded as a number 4 player on an average team. I agree he's a player who has good potential to improve. My greatest hope/dream for him is he turns into a modern day Scottie Pippen.

[younggunsmn]

Klomp I personally like Jaden. I think he can become a quite good player. He sure hasn't been a quite good player so far. I'm kind of lamenting the idea that a player doesn't even need to be particularly good in the NBA to make $30 Million. At this point in his career Jaden is just a guy. Maybe he's just a guy we will be paying $30 Million a year or more.

It's not funny. It's a fact. There are sources that don't even rate him among the top 100 players in the NBA. He's generally regarded as a number 4 player on an average team. I agree he's a player who has good potential to improve. My greatest hope/dream for him is he turns into a modern day Scottie Pippen.

You get so hung up on offensive counting stats.
People who only look at the surface stats aren't ever going to rate a wing highly who takes 10 shots a game.
People in the league know how good Jaden is.
He is the one guy on our roster outside of Ant that other teams covet.

Forget dollar amounts.
What % of the salary cap do you think Jaden deserves?
rookie max is 25%, vet max is 30%, and supermax is 35%
MLE (average salary) is 9.1%

I'm guessing Jaden's agents might be pushing towards 20% and TC might start negotiations somewhere north of 12%.
I see 15-17% of the salary cap as a very reasonable compromise, and its the area all the recent comps for him tend to lie in, like Cam Johnson for example. His salary starts at 18.9% of the cap, but descends for 2 years.
If his contract was ascending, the first year would start at around 15% of the cap.

Like it or not, Jaden's contract is going to be negotiated around these recent comparisons.
And percentages of the cap at the time the contract is signed dictate these salaries, not lumping players into baskets of who is and who is not worth 30 million dollars a year.

[KGdaBom]

It's not funny. It's a fact. There are sources that don't even rate him among the top 100 players in the NBA. He's generally regarded as a number 4 player on an average team. I agree he's a player who has good potential to improve. My greatest hope/dream for him is he turns into a modern day Scottie Pippen.

You get so hung up on offensive counting stats.
People who only look at the surface stats aren't ever going to rate a wing highly who takes 10 shots a game.
People in the league know how good Jaden is.
He is the one guy on our roster outside of Ant that other teams covet.

Forget dollar amounts.
What % of the salary cap do you think Jaden deserves?
rookie max is 25%, vet max is 30%, and supermax is 35%
MLE (average salary) is 9.1%

I'm guessing Jaden's agents might be pushing towards 20% and TC might start negotiations somewhere north of 12%.
I see 15-17% of the salary cap as a very reasonable compromise, and its the area all the recent comps for him tend to lie in, like Cam Johnson for example. His salary starts at 18.9% of the cap, but descends for 2 years.
If his contract was ascending, the first year would start at around 15% of the cap.

Like it or not, Jaden's contract is going to be negotiated around these recent comparisons.
And percentages of the cap at the time the contract is signed dictate these salaries, not lumping players into baskets of who is and who is not worth 30 million dollars a year.

I'm not hung up on Offensive counting stats at all. I play fantasy basketball and I leave players with offensive counting stats to my opponents and win by focusing on other things. I'm generally Mr Positivity when it comes to the wolves. You are generally Mr. Negativity. Funny how you are arguing against me when I take the "REALISTIC" view of Jaden. I'm just stating that Jaden is not considered a star by most. He is considered just a guy. Yet everybody here is saying he will get $30 Million or more annually on his next contract. If other teams actually do covet him it's because they are looking at potential because he's young and not for the player he has been. I'm not saying he can't prove himself worthy of that. If we are the team paying that I hope he proves worth it.

[TimberKat]

It's not funny. It's a fact. There are sources that don't even rate him among the top 100 players in the NBA. He's generally regarded as a number 4 player on an average team. I agree he's a player who has good potential to improve. My greatest hope/dream for him is he turns into a modern day Scottie Pippen.

You get so hung up on offensive counting stats.
People who only look at the surface stats aren't ever going to rate a wing highly who takes 10 shots a game.
People in the league know how good Jaden is.
He is the one guy on our roster outside of Ant that other teams covet.

Forget dollar amounts.
What % of the salary cap do you think Jaden deserves?
rookie max is 25%, vet max is 30%, and supermax is 35%
MLE (average salary) is 9.1%

I'm guessing Jaden's agents might be pushing towards 20% and TC might start negotiations somewhere north of 12%.
I see 15-17% of the salary cap as a very reasonable compromise, and its the area all the recent comps for him tend to lie in, like Cam Johnson for example. His salary starts at 18.9% of the cap, but descends for 2 years.
If his contract was ascending, the first year would start at around 15% of the cap.

Like it or not, Jaden's contract is going to be negotiated around these recent comparisons.
And percentages of the cap at the time the contract is signed dictate these salaries, not lumping players into baskets of who is and who is not worth 30 million dollars a year.

I'm not hung up on Offensive counting stats at all. I play fantasy basketball and I leave players with offensive counting stats to my opponents and win by focusing on other things. I'm generally Mr Positivity when it comes to the wolves. You are generally Mr. Negativity. Funny how you are arguing against me when I take the "REALISTIC" view of Jaden. I'm just stating that Jaden is not considered a star by most. He is considered just a guy. Yet everybody here is saying he will get $30 Million or more annually on his next contract. If other teams actually do covet him it's because they are looking at potential because he's young and not for the player he has been. I'm not saying he can't prove himself worthy of that. If we are the team paying that I hope he proves worth it.

Here is my reference point: Dillon Brooks signed for 21.5Mil per year. DMurray signed for 30mil per year. Brooks actually made the NBA all defensive second team. 15% of NBA Cap in 2023 is actually 20.4mil. So, I am looking for someone that is borderline all star for 30mil.