Note30 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:younggunsmn wrote:
You didn't answer my question. What % of the cap is your walkaway point?
15% when his extension starts in 2024 would be a deal starting at 22.4 million.
a deal starting at 25 million would be 16.7% of the cap.
For a deal with an AAV of 30 million, you are probably somewhere north of 18%.
I expect his deal to start at a minimum of 25 million per, be ascending, and approach 30 million AAV.
Devin Vassell, a slightly inferior player, just signed for 5/146 or 29.2 mil per.
You are actually taking a "Mr Positivity" view of what you think we should be able to sign him for.
I am sticking by a "Mr Realistic" view of what I think that will be.
It's true I'm a little higher on Jaden than my normal take on Wolves players.
There are 3 reasons really:
1. Maybe best wing defender in the NBA RIGHT NOW
2. Unique height/ length/athleticism/dexterity/shooting touch combo you do not find very often gives him a really high ceiling
3. Great looking shooting stroke and the stats to back it up.
For those reasons I'm more than fine paying Jaden 17-18% of the cap going forward, even if he ends up never cracking the top 3 in the offensive pecking order.
I'm certainly much more OK with that than paying Gobert 30% of the cap for a similar impact.
If Jaden does break through offensively, we have an absolute bargain.
If it weren't for his lack of offensive counting stats, he would be a slam dunk max contract.
Maybe best wing defender in NBA, 52/40 shooting splits last year.
If he hits the open market next summer and simply repeats last year's performance, he will likely have multiple offers next summer starting north of 30 mil per.
To me, the length is as important if not more than the dollar amount.
I would pay him 1-2% more of the cap just to get a straight 5 years with no player option if I were TC.
I would not use Mikal Bridges as a comp, that contract was a bargain the second he put pen to paper, and at that time he was 70% of the player he is now.
I consider Vassell to be a much superior player to Jaden. He signed for under $30 million a year. So $25 million per year 16.7% of the cap is the most we should pay Jaden IMO.
Dude. You really don't know what you're talking about if you think Vassell is a much superior player. He's a good 3pt shooter and that's his strongest calling card. His midrange is about average and his decision making on ball is pretty poor. He constantly misses rotations on defense. He's also taking 16 shots to average 18.5/19 pts a game. Not exactly efficient.
He's the only player on the SAS roster to get the greenlight to shoot midrange shots off split screens and has delay actions setup for him. Despite that massive advantage, he still shoots at about average from midrange, above average from the left elbow and far below average from the right.
He also got the go go greenlight because of pure lack of offensive options, especially later in the year when they lost Poetl who started their offense almost every play. Granted he was also returning from around that time and he was injured for most of the year.
I'm not gonna say he sucks, he's obviously a good player with a decent ceiling, he's a decent shooter and create his own shot off action. But that's about as far as his skillset goes. He's not a good slasher, nor does he have amazing playmaking ability. He's pretty average defensively as well. He's basically a taller and more athletic version of Dlo, with even less playmaking ability. He has a decent ceiling.
Jaden on the other hand has never had that greenlight. He's not the shooter Vassell is but is still respectable. He's a much better slasher and finisher, and has quite a respectable shot between 3ft and free throw line. He's a decent corner 3pt shooter and despite lack of opportunities has done a pretty solid job passing the ball. If he was on a worse team he'd probably be averaging 16-18 pts as well. He can't handle the ball as well as Vassell, sure but his handle for his height is still pretty respectable, he can't change pace like a guard but he still has atleast two levels of ball control.
Treating Jaden like his offensive game isn't usable as a primary option is a luxury we are given. I suggest you don't take it as an indication of his abilities.
Defensively I'm not even going to talk about Jaden because it should be a foregone conclusion. He's the best defender on this team.
