Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[MiamiLoyal926]

Bro… the more I think about it, the more I want to puke at the idea of watching and cheering for Harden. I hate his style of game.

[IceColdCubano]

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's, I feel like punching Ira right now, like these is not the year to rub a players scab, we need all the depth we can!!!

[MiamiLoyal926]

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's!!!

His attitude and tone are concerning. I hope he is more annoyed with the media than the coaching staff. I expect vets like him to show a dawg in them and expect the best for themselves.

With that said, he could have answered that a little different if he is challenging himself to show he needs to be in that spot. Instead it comes off as a “I am Kyle Lowry and I expect that to be my spot”.

[IceColdCubano]

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Dude has low key athletism.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Dude has low key athletism.

Lowkey? In what sense? Let’s dive into it

[VaDe255]

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's!!!

His attitude and tone are concerning. I hope he is more annoyed with the media than the coaching staff. I expect vets like him to show a dawg in them and expect the best for themselves.

With that said, he could have answered that a little different if he is challenging himself to show he needs to be in that spot. Instead it comes off as a “I am Kyle Lowry and I expect that to be my spot”.

Nah this is overblown.
In the first interview where the first quote came from, it was just taken out of context.
He said smth. along the lines, I have worked hard during the summer and I expect to be the starting PG.
Also said he loves the game and wants to continue playing at a high level.

This thing is more like, he expects it of himself to earn the spot, rather than him demanding the spot.

[twix2500]

Agreed. This is the attitude we needed him to take!

Being on the trade block can go both ways, and he seems to be taking it as a challenge to prove why he is the guy who should not be on the block, but instead built around along with Bam. Can’t lie, but training camp is trending in the right direction for us after a long summer of disappointment.

Would be great if missing out on Dame pans out to be a blessing in disguise!

Well improving efficiency is one way, also getting to the line is another. Problem is he like a lot of young skilled guards haven't learned the Vet savvy of getting players to bite on pump fakes, and force people to close out hard on you. Its a skill he needs to improve even without efficiency he could hit 25ppg based on his shot chart from last year if he would upgrade that skill. Also increasing his 3pt shot quantity in itself elevates his PPG.

So the three keys to his success:
1. Increased efficiency
2. Increased contact hunting
3. Increased action and activity off the ball to get himself into spots where the defense is vulnerable.(This can help increase his efficiency and contact hunting as it should get him more open shots and defenders more out of control trying to recover)

Those are not easy. You don't just do it, you have to add things to your game that will increase efficiency and the ability to draw fouls. Super Stars have parts to their game that draws fouls. Its not just driving and will to take contact. Super Stars are have great offensive games without drawing fouls. The drawing fouls comes into play when defenders over play in defense and you take advantage of their over play. I don't think Herro gets that much attention. When he starts getting double team on defense then he can use that over play against the defender

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[IceColdCubano]

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's!!!

His attitude and tone are concerning. I hope he is more annoyed with the media than the coaching staff. I expect vets like him to show a dawg in them and expect the best for themselves.

With that said, he could have answered that a little different if he is challenging himself to show he needs to be in that spot. Instead it comes off as a “I am Kyle Lowry and I expect that to be my spot”.

Yeah thats what I am saying, the tone the first time he was asked was ok, its looking like volatily is where this is headed or Miami forced to have to put him as starter in the mean time so not to lose the only PG we have on the team to a rift. Cause if Lowry mails it in, its really bad for our team overall and the bench. Like Ira, keeps poking the subject, like we get it, he wants to start coach has made that decision let the this take is natural coarse, why keep making the dude have to double down, and question his position in the team.

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's, I feel like punching Ira right now, like these is not the year to rub a players scab, we need all the depth we can!!!

Is it just me or does this look like the leanest KL we have seen while he has been on the Heat?

[IceColdCubano]

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Dude has low key athletism.

Lowkey? In what sense? Let’s dive into it

If you look at how he plays at college, he has a very slow game, its methodical, back to the basket, finding his spots like a an old vet whos on the downside of athletism. Then suddenly on a fast break or a cut hill go and catch a lob and like the video do something explosive. Some guys play that old man game, but as secretely uber athletic, and you only see it for short spurts in certain situations.

Similar to like a sleeper racing car, that has zero cosmetic work down, doesn't look aggressive and has factory default parts on the outside. Then your at light and the thing suddenly lifts off the ground and leaves you in the dust.

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Dude has low key athletism.

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Dunk Champion and will win this years dunk contest all star weekend.

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Puke, if Riley does something like that, just go out back and retire like an old race horse, I hear that its far more humane how its done these days.

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

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Could this be a sign of whats coming our way?!?!?

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[MiamiLoyal926]

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Puke, if Riley does something like that, just go out back and retire like an old race horse, I hear that its far more humane how its done these days.

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

[AirP.]

Puke, if Riley does something like that, just go out back and retire like an old race horse, I hear that its far more humane how its done these days.

Spoiler:

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

If you haven't noticed by now, it seems most teams and media treat Miami's future 1sts as basically 2nd rounders on 1st round contracts and but if you like 1sts, in 2 years Miami will have another 1st to trade for a proven player to keep the team good plus... timing both Butler and Harden's contracts expiring at the same time to try to get the next really good player to team up with Bam... you'd even have a 1st to facilitate a S&T.

Maybe it would be a good idea to not just develop players but trade the person they could basically replace for an asset? Say... trade a Robinson when you have Strus vs giving Robinson a big contract or the reverse of trading Strus because you already have Robinson on a big contract and you won't have both of them on sizable contracts.

Miami has options for now and the future and now may be a window of 2-4 more years.

[IceColdCubano]

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Puke, if Riley does something like that, just go out back and retire like an old race horse, I hear that its far more humane how its done these days.

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

I see both sides to this, I see some posters that want Miami to go all in on this window with this core, I also see those that don't want to risk our future ability to upgrade even more significantly with a younger star. Both points are correct, if Miami makes the decision to bypass Harden but not even putting an offer then it tells us what their mindset is at. They do not believe that were a James Harden away from winning it all consistently. Does it elevate our odds perhaps it does, but that not a risk they are willing to take just yet. I would taper my expectations, because they want to ride out this Jimmy window as competitive as possible but without having to lose the eyes for the future. I think they have crossed that line at this point in time and are sitting on it.

Only time will tell us if this decision is right or wrong. Example if Miami limps into the playoff losing in an earlier round or getting their butts whooped very convincingly then we were never a Harden away for this years run. However if Miami finds itself either losing by another 3 pointer in the Eastern Conference or in the NBA finals once again, then yeah shame on the FO for foregoing what could of been the piece that pushed us over to finally get one.

[AirP.]

I see both sides to this, I see some posters that want Miami to go all in on this window with this core, I also see those that don't want to risk our future ability to upgrade even more significantly with a younger star. Both points are correct, if Miami makes the decision to bypass Harden but not even putting an offer then it tells us what their mindset is at. They do not believe that were a James Harden away from winning it all consistently. Does it elevate our odds perhaps it does, but that not a risk they are willing to take just yet. I would taper my expectations, because they want to ride out this Jimmy window as competitive as possible but without having to lose the eyes for the future. I think they have crossed that line at this point in time and are sitting on it.

Only time will tell us if this decision is right or wrong. Example if Miami limps into the playoff losing in an earlier round or getting their butts whooped very convincingly then we were never a Harden away for this years run. However if Miami finds itself either losing by another 3 pointer in the Eastern Conference or in the NBA finals once again, then yeah shame on the FO for foregoing what could of been the piece that pushed us over to finally get one.

This is the first year I'm fine with Miami not doing much in the summer, but to have a roster that has proven to be good enough to make half the finals the last 4 years, the conference finals 3 of the last 4 years, it does seem odd to not go for it for the 4th straight offseason.

I'm reading the fake trade offers from the athletic and they're basically saying Lowry + C.Martin + 2 1st + 2 2nds are equivalent to J.Brown?

Trade 3: Harden to Miami (Get this man a ring!)
Sixers get Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, two first-round picks, two second-round picks
Heat get Harden

Maybe you swap in Tyler Herro instead of Lowry, but this is mostly about getting Martin on a good contract and potentially valuable draft picks starting in 2027. The Heat move on from the Damian Lillard pursuit to bring in Harden instead.

Trade 4: Harden to Boston
Sixers get Jaylen Brown
Celtics get Harden

The internet has been trying to split up Brown and Jayson Tatum for years. Well, we actually did it. Maybe the old banners of Boston will inspire Harden in the postseason.

https://theathletic.com/4655748/2023/06/30/james-harden-trade-ideas-nba-free-agency-the-bounce/

Ignore the whole the athletic article, Zach Harper who co-wrote this with Shams has to be trolling.

Trade 6: Harden to Portland (Let’s get weird)
Sixers get Anfernee Simons, Scoot Henderson
Blazers get Harden

Simons gives the 76ers another scorer next to Tyrese Maxey and Philly’s point guard of the future. The Blazers get a big time talent next to Dame that still probably won’t work.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Spoiler:

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

If you haven't noticed by now, it seems most teams and media treat Miami's future 1sts as basically 2nd rounders on 1st round contracts and but if you like 1sts, in 2 years Miami will have another 1st to trade for a proven player to keep the team good plus... timing both Butler and Harden's contracts expiring at the same time to try to get the next really good player to team up with Bam... you'd even have a 1st to facilitate a S&T.

Maybe it would be a good idea to not just develop players but trade the person they could basically replace for an asset? Say... trade a Robinson when you have Strus vs giving Robinson a big contract or the reverse of trading Strus because you already have Robinson on a big contract and you won't have both of them on sizable contracts.

Miami has options for now and the future and now may be a window of 2-4 more years.

If you trade 2028 and 2030 FRPs for Harden, in 2 years (assuming OKC pick was satisfied in 2025) we will have the 2026 and 2032 draft picks (+ swaps) to trade for the next star to pair with Bam. What is 2 FRPs getting you? We won’t realistically have cap space until summer 2026 BTW. 2026 cap space would afford us only 1 max player since that would also be Jovic’s qualifying offer year… which would likely be when his rookie extension $$ already kicks in.

Not getting Dame definitely made rebuilding easier since his $$$ isn’t on the books through 2027. Hopefully 2 FRPs is enough to get us someone like Donovan Mitchell (who would have a player option helping leverage a trade to us). Do you really think that is enough though with NYK also hunting for DM?

Holding onto our FRPs gives us all the ammo we need for summer 2025. Regardless of how teams value our FRPs, they are still FRPs.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Spoiler:

Really?

Would Miami be ok with Harden's personality, if it's a no then of course don't even consider it (I think this is where Miami is currently).

To me, this is about team building, next year and the future.

Say that trade went through...
- 2 late 1st round picks, 2 2nds, I'm 100% fine with those going out with Jaquez and Jovic staying, these are 2 long term pieces for Miami, late 1st or 2nd round picks, who knows if they'll ever make the rotation.
- C.Martin, if he's good this year will Miami be able to retain him with Butler, Bam and Herro (or the player if he's traded for) are on the roster? Gotta say I don't see Martin being so good that this franchise going into the tax or going deeper into the tax for a C.Martin level talent with Jovic and Jaquez ready for minutes next year, I consider Martin a 1-year rental and everyone else probably be looking towards that future too, he has one last chance to make real money in the NBA and should cash out like Max and Vincent did.
- Lowry, I think most just want him gone, I'm not one of those people but I think if you can upgrade the spot, you do it, he's an expiring contract so there's hope to get assets for him at the trade deadline.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to consider the trade... why?
- You get your upgrade of James Harden (on a prove it one year contract) and more time of one of the younger players over Lowry and Martin, 2 players that probably won't be on the roster next year.
- You get James Harden's Bird Rights; I expect this will be his last sizable contract and with that Miami can resign/extend him for a number they feel comfortable with vs having to deal with a market for Harden and with that... Harden will need to take that our expect he may only be able to get the MLE.

It's a roll of the dice for Miami since he's a culture clash, but sadly, he fits in very well on the court. He wants to score, and Butler and Bam will be fine with him scoring, he's a distributor who might make the younger guys better and get Bam 1-3 easy dunks a night and of course his ability to defend bigger players in the post by having the strength to not let them get as deep of position as they would against most PGs.

With all that said I don't think the Heat are even considering him because he's off court behavior could poison some of the younger players.

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

I see both sides to this, I see some posters that want Miami to go all in on this window with this core, I also see those that don't want to risk our future ability to upgrade even more significantly with a younger star. Both points are correct, if Miami makes the decision to bypass Harden but not even putting an offer then it tells us what their mindset is at. They do not believe that were a James Harden away from winning it all consistently. Does it elevate our odds perhaps it does, but that not a risk they are willing to take just yet. I would taper my expectations, because they want to ride out this Jimmy window as competitive as possible but without having to lose the eyes for the future. I think they have crossed that line at this point in time and are sitting on it.

Only time will tell us if this decision is right or wrong. Example if Miami limps into the playoff losing in an earlier round or getting their butts whooped very convincingly then we were never a Harden away for this years run. However if Miami finds itself either losing by another 3 pointer in the Eastern Conference or in the NBA finals once again, then yeah shame on the FO for foregoing what could of been the piece that pushed us over to finally get one.