Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[AirP.]

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[AirP.]

It was either you or AirP who said this a few pages back, but our FRPs are worth a ton more to us than to others.

Being able to select high level players and develop them from within gives us way more enticing trade capital than anything else. We have shown the ability to find and develop great players. Let’s focus on that the next few years rather than trading it all for the Hardens of this world.

Which is why you trade 1st round picks for proven talent and should go after reclamation projects to develop. This isn't your regular franchise that has some highs and some lows, because of how they run their environment they go from some highs to some just below average.

A place like Miami, I would be all in as a franchise to use swaps as assets which I don't see them doing all that much (if any).

[AirP.]

Why is it sometimes when I hit "preview" it'll turn a now x.com post into a twitter.com post but it doesn't always happen the first time I hit preview, sometimes it's the 2nd or 3rd time I hit preview. The only think I can think is that this site uses multiple servers for load balancing and don't have the plug-in on all the servers which isn't a good thing, you'd think you'd deploy it to all servers at the same time.

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[al bondiga]

harden Would be a good piece And the pat has to make up for a lot of failed expectations on lillard

If he comes cheap or at a medium price... He would do wonders with the development of bam and herro

But I'm not liking the momentum harden has At the end off his NBA career.

[AirP.]

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[IceColdCubano]

Spoiler:

Sending out 2 FRPs for a high risk 1-year rental is sending out all our current FRP capital for a player that might poison the well and bounce next year. It also reduces our future trade capital, thus eliminating our ability to ever be competitive in any other younger star that hits the market.

I see both sides to this, I see some posters that want Miami to go all in on this window with this core, I also see those that don't want to risk our future ability to upgrade even more significantly with a younger star. Both points are correct, if Miami makes the decision to bypass Harden but not even putting an offer then it tells us what their mindset is at. They do not believe that were a James Harden away from winning it all consistently. Does it elevate our odds perhaps it does, but that not a risk they are willing to take just yet. I would taper my expectations, because they want to ride out this Jimmy window as competitive as possible but without having to lose the eyes for the future. I think they have crossed that line at this point in time and are sitting on it.

Only time will tell us if this decision is right or wrong. Example if Miami limps into the playoff losing in an earlier round or getting their butts whooped very convincingly then we were never a Harden away for this years run. However if Miami finds itself either losing by another 3 pointer in the Eastern Conference or in the NBA finals once again, then yeah shame on the FO for foregoing what could of been the piece that pushed us over to finally get one.

It was either you or AirP who said this a few pages back, but our FRPs are worth a ton more to us than to others.

Being able to select high level players and develop them from within gives us way more enticing trade capital than anything else. We have shown the ability to find and develop great players. Let’s focus on that the next few years rather than trading it all for the Hardens of this world.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[SerialChiller]

Bro… the more I think about it, the more I want to puke at the idea of watching and cheering for Harden. I hate his style of game.

Yep I honestly would have a hard time watching any Heat games. Keep that bum far away from here!

[AirP.]

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[twozeroMM]

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What’s funny is we got the lowest draft grade from Kevin for picking Jaime lol

[MorbidHEAT]

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Please Pat!!

I'm ok with this, but also I don't think Heat will trade for him.
Don't know why everyone is pushing it, 76ers just dealing with a rival and then also Heat only wanting players that fit their culture.
Media is pushing for it, but I don't believe the Heat FO has any interest.

I’m not. Lowry and a pick is all they should get. If it doesn’t get done for that, then move on.

I agree though. The Heat has zero interest but the media is pushing for it. The only thing that can change that is that Lowry starts becoming toxic about starting.

[HEATVols865]

No Jovic, no Jaquez, no Herro for Harden.
1 pick max, or a bunch of 2nd rounders.
Any of the three included in a deal or more than 1 FRP and it’s a disgusting deal.

[al bondiga]

Bro… the more I think about it, the more I want to puke at the idea of watching and cheering for Harden. I hate his style of game.

Yep I honestly would have a hard time watching any Heat games. Keep that bum far away from here!

Yes harden is super hard to watch And I bet he is a big time a- hol... But on the flip side of that is that His teams do a lot of winling and that Talent usually Develops very good round him

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Our own fcking media sometimes are the guys who cause rift between players and coach. Like why do keep fcking rubbing this subject, he said what he said, coach said what he said....What your doing is now the player is gonna double down on the issue when he does have a conversation with the coach, He can't go back after he said this over and over to the media. These guys have ego's, I feel like punching Ira right now, like these is not the year to rub a players scab, we need all the depth we can!!!

Local media don't give 2 shts about the team man, they just trying to get a player to slip and say something so they can have a story

[al bondiga]

No Jovic, no Jaquez, no Herro for Harden.
1 pick max, or a bunch of 2nd rounders.
Any of the three included in a deal or more than 1 FRP and it’s a disgusting deal.

Do you think philadelphia is super dumb?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

PGs have been confirmed to be Lowry Richardson and Dru Smith. Richardson needs to start.

Bouyea >>>> Dru also

[MiamiLoyal926]

No Jovic, no Jaquez, no Herro for Harden.
1 pick max, or a bunch of 2nd rounders.
Any of the three included in a deal or more than 1 FRP and it’s a disgusting deal.

Do you think philadelphia is super dumb?

There are two sides to this deal.

Saying we shouldn’t do more than this or that doesn’t imply that is what they should expect or take.

Heat need to have their max price they are willing to pay, and Sixers need to have their minimum price they are willing to accept.

Hopefully those two have an overlap and a deal can be agreed upon. If not, maybe over time, one of the two teams decides that their original evaluation was wrong or new developments have forced them to re-evaluate and that adjustment to the price expectations reaches a point where an agreement can be made.

I agree that from our evaluation of our situation and the elements that come from trading for Harden, our highest price should not exceed HeatVols evaluation.

[AirP.]

If you want a shot at a championship, adding Harden would help those chances. To me, not to want Harden with him cheap because of the situation in Philly and with him being a FA means winning championships are not your #1 priority.

Last year Harden played the role of a distributor instead of a scorer and led the league in assists and had a TS% over 60%. His biggest negative is that he disappears in big games which is fine because you also would have Butler and quite possibly Herro still. Good lord you have a shot of a starting lineup with Harden, Herro, Butler, Love/Jovic and Bam with Richardson, Javez, D.Robinson, O.Robinson, Highsmith and RJ Hampton coming off the bench... but why do that when it's possibly going to cost C.Martin, Lowry, 2 late 1st round picks and a couple of 2nds?

There's a high probability that Miami could retain Harden for 2-3 more years at a reasonable salary since there might be little to no market for him.

Just imagine the ability to get teams in foul trouble with Butler and Harden together.

We're just a few months away from Harden having some great games in the playoffs.

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[MHeat0279]

Heat must be out of their collective minds not getting Harden if they price is not too high.

[AirP.]

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