Markelle Fultz

[Rainwater]

What is the timeline or deadline to extend Fultz before he enters Unrestricted Free Agency?

The situation is interesting, because we might have to extend Cole as well. Do we have that money before Franz and Paolo's First Rookie Extension? We could be loaded with no cap space or way extended past cap space

Pretty certain neither will be extended.

[Audi]

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

Source please? You keep perpetuating this, but what are the numbers pointing to Fultz as the culprit for last years half court offensive struggles, rather than the predictable product of a young team not loaded with shooters?

I have yet to see Fultz in a pick and roll situation in the half court. The pace is always pushed which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it’s not ideal without above average shooters. We saw Cole run it in both of the last two games.

Dude - Paolo's last bucket in the game against CLE was on a clear pick and pop with Fultz. He passed up the 3 and attacked the close out to hit the midrange instead.

Yes, plenty of his assists come in transition. That's not a bad thing at all, it's literally catching the defense off guard. Cutting and transition are two of the most efficient ways to score in the game, both things he does and assists on. We should be doing it far more as a team. There's plenty of examples of him running PnR and it's variations in the half court, even in the last game you watched.

Maybe you are seeing what you want to believe.

[The-Stallion70]

Why is every criticism of Markelle have a caveat with Suggs?

I get it. Neither are good shooters. They each have very specific skill sets. Suggs can guard shooting guards. He locked up Mitchell the other night pretty easily. Markelle cannot if you are going to continue to compare.

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

In regards to Suggs… he is what he is. He will either improve his shot or it will fluctuate. At least he’s taking them. You have to take the mediocre offense with potentially DPOY upside. That’s a concession you make. You don’t make it the other way around with Fultz who is marginal at his position in every category other than at the rim.

Is the argument “oh well he’s the best we have”? Then fine. That seems to be Orlando’s FO take on it as well. Cole is on the roster as well and he isn’t terrible. If anything, he’s improved greatly and has a complimentary skillset to Suggs.

Do you remember how awful the team looked before Markelle and Cole came back last season? We needed rookie in his first games Paolo to handle it way too much because of how incapable Suggs proved to be at it.

Listen the guy has superhuman ability on defense but is equally bad at orchestrating on offense.

Fultz is no CP3 but he is still the best guard we have overall.

If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

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Why is every criticism of Markelle have a caveat with Suggs?

I get it. Neither are good shooters. They each have very specific skill sets. Suggs can guard shooting guards. He locked up Mitchell the other night pretty easily. Markelle cannot if you are going to continue to compare.

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

In regards to Suggs… he is what he is. He will either improve his shot or it will fluctuate. At least he’s taking them. You have to take the mediocre offense with potentially DPOY upside. That’s a concession you make. You don’t make it the other way around with Fultz who is marginal at his position in every category other than at the rim.

Is the argument “oh well he’s the best we have”? Then fine. That seems to be Orlando’s FO take on it as well. Cole is on the roster as well and he isn’t terrible. If anything, he’s improved greatly and has a complimentary skillset to Suggs.

Do you remember how awful the team looked before Markelle and Cole came back last season? We needed rookie in his first games Paolo to handle it way too much because of how incapable Suggs proved to be at it.

Listen the guy has superhuman ability on defense but is equally bad at orchestrating on offense.

Fultz is no CP3 but he is still the best guard we have overall.

If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

I don’t think his point is that Suggs should play PG (he shouldn’t)…it’s that Suggs’ limitations don’t do anything to support Fultz’ role on the team. Fultz is 100% PG…Suggs isn’t (maybe someday but hes not and he hasn’t been).

However, the modern PG role is changing, so certain lineups, with ball handling, offensive creators elsewhere, can thrive with a combo guard to add scoring. Jamal Murray is the most blatant example…he’s a SG on any other team but DEN (and maybe ORL)

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Why is every criticism of Markelle have a caveat with Suggs?

I get it. Neither are good shooters. They each have very specific skill sets. Suggs can guard shooting guards. He locked up Mitchell the other night pretty easily. Markelle cannot if you are going to continue to compare.

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

In regards to Suggs… he is what he is. He will either improve his shot or it will fluctuate. At least he’s taking them. You have to take the mediocre offense with potentially DPOY upside. That’s a concession you make. You don’t make it the other way around with Fultz who is marginal at his position in every category other than at the rim.

Is the argument “oh well he’s the best we have”? Then fine. That seems to be Orlando’s FO take on it as well. Cole is on the roster as well and he isn’t terrible. If anything, he’s improved greatly and has a complimentary skillset to Suggs.

If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

[Audi]

Why is every criticism of Markelle have a caveat with Suggs?

I get it. Neither are good shooters. They each have very specific skill sets. Suggs can guard shooting guards. He locked up Mitchell the other night pretty easily. Markelle cannot if you are going to continue to compare.

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

In regards to Suggs… he is what he is. He will either improve his shot or it will fluctuate. At least he’s taking them. You have to take the mediocre offense with potentially DPOY upside. That’s a concession you make. You don’t make it the other way around with Fultz who is marginal at his position in every category other than at the rim.

Is the argument “oh well he’s the best we have”? Then fine. That seems to be Orlando’s FO take on it as well. Cole is on the roster as well and he isn’t terrible. If anything, he’s improved greatly and has a complimentary skillset to Suggs.

If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

I don't disagree he needs to increase his assists - and I believe he will. Even on the sheer improvement of this young team shooting better, we should see a bump.

Giannis .1 assist more while playing 2 mpg more on significantly more usage
KPJr .1 assist more while playing 4 mpg more
Paskal .2 assists more while playing 7 mpg more

Why even include these?

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If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

I don't disagree he needs to increase his assists - and I believe he will. Even on the sheer improvement of this young team shooting better, we should see a bump.

Giannis .1 assist more while playing 2 mpg more on significantly more usage
KPJr .1 assist more while playing 4 mpg more
Paskal .2 assists more while playing 7 mpg more

Why even include these?

I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

[Audi]

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

I don't disagree he needs to increase his assists - and I believe he will. Even on the sheer improvement of this young team shooting better, we should see a bump.

Giannis .1 assist more while playing 2 mpg more on significantly more usage
KPJr .1 assist more while playing 4 mpg more
Paskal .2 assists more while playing 7 mpg more

Why even include these?

I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

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I don't disagree he needs to increase his assists - and I believe he will. Even on the sheer improvement of this young team shooting better, we should see a bump.

Giannis .1 assist more while playing 2 mpg more on significantly more usage
KPJr .1 assist more while playing 4 mpg more
Paskal .2 assists more while playing 7 mpg more

Why even include these?

I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

I mean… if you are going to claim my takes are completely unfounded and outrageous speculation..

I’m also having a back and forth with someone that has Markelle Fultz winking as his avatar.

So let’s just call it what it is and I’ll keep all my takes to myself until we see Orlando pay him as their starting point guard of the future that does mediocre point guard things. We can end this thread at 78 pages.

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I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

I mean… if you are going to claim my takes are completely unfounded and outrageous speculation..

I’m also having a back and forth with someone that has Markelle Fultz winking as his avatar.

So let’s just call it what it is and I’ll keep all my takes to myself until we see Orlando pay him as their starting point guard of the future that does mediocre point guard things. We can end this thread at 78 pages.

On the contrary, some of your takes are perfectly reasonable.

I’m only saying we should be calling each other out on those takes that are not. Saying you’ve watched the games but have never seen Fultz run a half court offense when evidence exists even in the last game you watched, is one of those. Comparing assist numbers without consideration of play time or usage is one of those.

Leave winking Fultz alone. Avatars have nothing to do with this.

[RichCollab]

Fultz is my PG. Ride or die!

Extend both Cole and Fultz now if possible.

[The-Stallion70]

Why is every criticism of Markelle have a caveat with Suggs?

I get it. Neither are good shooters. They each have very specific skill sets. Suggs can guard shooting guards. He locked up Mitchell the other night pretty easily. Markelle cannot if you are going to continue to compare.

Furthermore, why does everyone overlook the other obvious flaws to Fultz’ game? He does not get to the line. He’s a one dimensional score first point guard that cannot orchestrate anything in a half court set. He also provides nothing off ball. I’ll give him the points that he’s a good defender in space / on-ball against most guys and he’s great in an open floor when zero defense is in front of him.

In regards to Suggs… he is what he is. He will either improve his shot or it will fluctuate. At least he’s taking them. You have to take the mediocre offense with potentially DPOY upside. That’s a concession you make. You don’t make it the other way around with Fultz who is marginal at his position in every category other than at the rim.

Is the argument “oh well he’s the best we have”? Then fine. That seems to be Orlando’s FO take on it as well. Cole is on the roster as well and he isn’t terrible. If anything, he’s improved greatly and has a complimentary skillset to Suggs.

If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

Youre right, we should replace Fultz with Killian Hayes because he averaged 6.2 assists per game.

[yoyojw17]

I don't disagree he needs to increase his assists - and I believe he will. Even on the sheer improvement of this young team shooting better, we should see a bump.

Giannis .1 assist more while playing 2 mpg more on significantly more usage
KPJr .1 assist more while playing 4 mpg more
Paskal .2 assists more while playing 7 mpg more

Why even include these?

I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

Circumstance is usually thrown out of the window. lol.

Rondo.... wasn't really playing QB to a bunch of rookies and one the youngest teams in the league... that he didn't have an offseason with due to injury ... and not a couple of hall of famers. lol

Dejounte went from one of the top assisters in the NBA.... moved to the Hawks and is now way down the list. Did he get worse.... or was it his addition with a ball dominant PG named Trae Young. And they stagger the two of them so they maximize Dejounte more by playing him with the bench.... kinda like Franz.

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If you could produce some statistics or numbers that support your claims that Fultz was screwing up the offense I'd be more willing to listen to it but the optics does not support it.

First, this is a loaded statement. Nobody is “screwing up” anything. Nobody claimed that. The main statement was that the criticism of Fultz isn’t simply due to him not shooting. It’s nearly everything involved in being a starting point guard.

For statistics I’ll go with 5.6 assists per game in 2022-23 season where he played 30mpg. That’s below most starting point guards (nearly all) and guys like Pascal Siakam, Giannis, Dejounte Murray, and Kevin Porter Jr.

If you are going to be on the lower end of that list you should probably be one of the more prolific scorers in the league as a starting point guard, which he isn’t if he doesn’t shoot or get to the line. An Impossible task.

Youre right, we should replace Fultz with Killian Hayes because he averaged 6.2 assists per game.

Nobody suggested that. Lol.

Just strawman arguments when you can’t justify mediocrity.

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I was using them as an example that players who aren’t even point guards get more assists while being tasked with either doing insurmountably more (Siakam, Giannis) or are widely considered not great (Porter Jr., Killian Hayes) positionally.

Nobody is calling Rondo a bad player if he isn’t shooting the 3 but he’s also getting 11-12 apg and 4x all team defense.

That’s the point people are missing with these Fultz takes. You have to be absolutely elite in other areas to compensate, as one of the 30 best starting point guards, if your game doesn’t include shooting or getting to the line.

The rest of his game is under the microscope because people without Orlando Magic tinted glasses are skeptical of settling on (paying) a point guard, that was here before they had their core, if he isn’t great at doing things starting point guards are paid to do.

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

Circumstance is usually thrown out of the window. lol.

Rondo.... wasn't really playing QB to a bunch of rookies and one the youngest teams in the league... that he didn't have an offseason with due to injury ... and not a couple of hall of famers. lol

Dejounte went from one of the top assisters in the NBA.... moved to the Hawks and is now way down the list. Did he get worse.... or was it his addition with a ball dominant PG named Trae Young. And they stagger the two of them so they maximize Dejounte more by playing him with the bench.... kinda like Franz.

When Fultz is good it has nothing to do with the roster.
When Fultz isn’t it’s because the rest of the roster limits him.

Got it.

[yoyojw17]

If the purpose is to show a player in question needs to assist more because they aren’t elite elsewhere, using players playing more mpg or on drastically more usg as the measurement of comparison seems disingenuous. Per36, Fultz averages more assists than every player you had listed - on top of sharing the ball with 1st & 2nd options who are ball handlers. This kind of stuff, coupled with your statements like you’ve never seen Fultz run a half court offense or he’s only great in open court with zero defenders in front of him, makes me seriously question if your motives go beyond just honest assessment.

I understand it can be frustrating to rehash the same POV on Fultz, but at some point we have to call each other out on the wild takes. On both sides. Fultz isn’t going to suddenly be an all star, nor is he incapable of running a PnR in the half court.

Circumstance is usually thrown out of the window. lol.

Rondo.... wasn't really playing QB to a bunch of rookies and one the youngest teams in the league... that he didn't have an offseason with due to injury ... and not a couple of hall of famers. lol

Dejounte went from one of the top assisters in the NBA.... moved to the Hawks and is now way down the list. Did he get worse.... or was it his addition with a ball dominant PG named Trae Young. And they stagger the two of them so they maximize Dejounte more by playing him with the bench.... kinda like Franz.

When Fultz is good it has nothing to do with the roster.
When Fultz isn’t it’s because the rest of the roster limits him.

Got it.

No.... you're the one that brought up the arguments....i'm just point out the things you can grossly overlook in keeping with your narrative. that is all. Because that goes with other players as well.... showing that circumstances do matter... but when you say stuff... you make it sound like it's totally obvious... like a "Duh" moment....when obvious biases exist and you want to laugh it off and make it seem like our comments are not valid when they pretty darn good observations.

[Skybox]

this is starting to read like dissecting the toenail of a T-Rex

[The-Stallion70]

Please lock this directionless hating thread

[fateis007]

Im riding with Fultz. Bunch of haters in here. They probably the same type to give up on Embiid cuz he couldn't play his first 2 years.

[Bensational]

I can’t wait for the season to start so this story can start to resolve itself - or at least give us new data to squabble over.