Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[Vampirate]

Again, love Trae but he is not on Luka's level and it's not even debatable.

Agree to disagree -- Trae has a case as the best passer/playmaker in the league.

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Trae may be the better passer/playmaker, that part of his game is great.

It's just that literally everything else, Luka is better.

Simply compare their post season averages and efficiency.

[Tor_Raps]

Agree to disagree -- Trae has a case as the best passer/playmaker in the league.

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Hes definitely up there but need to see better efficiency and for him to give a crap on the defensive end to get to the next level.

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

[cpower]

Hes definitely up there but need to see better efficiency and for him to give a crap on the defensive end to get to the next level.

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

Steph Curry is a 44% three point shooter in his rookie season. Has Trae had 1 40%+ season?

[Tor_Raps]

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

Steph Curry is a 44% three point shooter in his rookie season. Has Trae had 1 40%+ season?

We were talking about him becoming better on the defensive end. Asking him to become Steph in every facet seems too aggressive. Trae also came into the nba 2 years younger than steph so there's also that.

[Scalabrine]

Hes definitely up there but need to see better efficiency and for him to give a crap on the defensive end to get to the next level.

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

For sure, him caring about it would go a long way too.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

For sure, him caring about it would go a long way too.

Steph also got in the weight room and has an incredible squat for his size. Trae… not so much.

[og15]

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

For sure, him caring about it would go a long way too.

Steph also got in the weight room and has an incredible squat for his size. Trae… not so much.

That's likely a good amount genetics too, just like how guys like CP3 and Lowry are stocky and strong.

[Sixers in 4]

Trae Young is so ridiculously underrated, he is overrated

[Scalabrine]

For sure, him caring about it would go a long way too.

Steph also got in the weight room and has an incredible squat for his size. Trae… not so much.

That's likely a good amount genetics too, just like how guys like CP3 and Lowry are stocky and strong.

For sure, I don't think its at simple as Trae hitting the weight room. He's gonna be smaller than those guys no matter what. Nate Robinson is a good example. They guy was a dog. Full of energy and super strong, yet he was never a great defensive player because he was just too small and could get picked on. Trae is just small and will always get picked on defensively.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Sixers in 4]

ATL took the 29th most (20.7) catch & shoot 3s per game & had the 27th best accuracy (34.7%)

How are these numbers good am I missing something?

[Jamaaliver]

ATL took the 29th most (20.7) catch & shoot 3s per game & had the 27th best accuracy (34.7%)

How are these numbers good am I missing something?

Those numbers are terrible. That's why Atlanta has a new coach.

The impressive aspect is that Trae has a stunningly high assist rate on drive-and-kick passes even though his team's offense intentionally de-emphasized outside shooting.

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Need more north/south from him and more C&S ability on the court.

[Sixers in 4]

Personally, I don't see it this way. I think the ball should be out of Youngs' hands in under 5 seconds and that they should prioritize more of a ball movement offence.

He can play off the ball. Why not use that to your advantage instead of him dribbling and waiting for a screen? He can beat guys off the dribble and collapse defenses but it needs to happen much earlier in the shot clock and if it's not there initially the ball needs to be out of his hands.

If you look at his average seconds per possession last year it 5.94 (3rd, 1st was 6.12). If you look at his dribbles per touch it was 5.66 (1st). That is the problem.







The question is two-fold can you convince Young to give up the ball and two can you bring in enough talent that when he does give up the ball the offense can work.

[Lockdown504090]

Hes definitely up there but need to see better efficiency and for him to give a crap on the defensive end to get to the next level.

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

i think trae improved a lot in 2023, he went from all time bad, to just a negative. especially in the playoffs, he was much better than ive seen in his career. numbers bare it out i believe as well.

[Lockdown504090]

ATL took the 29th most (20.7) catch & shoot 3s per game & had the 27th best accuracy (34.7%)

How are these numbers good am I missing something?

Those numbers are terrible. That's why Atlanta has a new coach.

The impressive aspect is that Trae has a stunningly high assist rate on drive-and-kick passes even though his team's offense intentionally de-emphasized outside shooting.

Thus...

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Need more north/south from him and more C&S ability on the court.

problem i see with the hawks is that trae, was leading the league in dribbles pretty much, but not that high up in passes, but a large chunk of his passes were assists. So he has the ball a lot, and nobody else is creating anything. Then on top of that, his own scoring was meh. thats morale killing, and thats even after adding dejonte murray.

[Jamaaliver]

Personally, I don't see it this way. I think the ball should be out of Youngs' hands in under 5 seconds and that they should prioritize more of a ball movement offence.

You're conflating the team's offense (designed by the coaching staff) with Trae's numbers.

Nate McMillan was fired -- midseason -- because (among many reasons) the stagnant, outdated offense he ran was hampering the development of multiple players.

Quin Snyder has already addressed the issue and moved Trae off ball.

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[binjumper]

Underrated and disrespected to an extreme degree...

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This actually hurts to read if you actually watched SGA play he is consistently driving to the rim and I believe he leads the league in that regard. There is a difference in earning your fouls and baiting.

[zero rings]

Hes definitely up there but need to see better efficiency and for him to give a crap on the defensive end to get to the next level.

The problem is, even if he does give a crap, he's just way to small and not strong enough. He's just at a physical disadvantage beyond effory.

People said the same thing about Steph Curry early on. Not saying Steph is a great defender but he's made himself average on that end. That's all Trae has to do and it starts with him getting in the weight room.

Curry was a way better defender than Trae right out of the gate. He’s a legit 6’3 and has lightning fast hands.

Trae can hit the weight room all he wants, he will still be 6’1 on a good day with a diminutive wingspan.

[jayu70]

How are these numbers good am I missing something?

Those numbers are terrible. That's why Atlanta has a new coach.

The impressive aspect is that Trae has a stunningly high assist rate on drive-and-kick passes even though his team's offense intentionally de-emphasized outside shooting.

Thus...

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Need more north/south from him and more C&S ability on the court.

problem i see with the hawks is that trae, was leading the league in dribbles pretty much, but not that high up in passes, but a large chunk of his passes were assists. So he has the ball a lot, and nobody else is creating anything. Then on top of that, his own scoring was meh. thats morale killing, and thats even after adding dejonte murray.

Who else was capable of creating much of anything in Nate's offense? In order for the 'Trae off ball' to be effective, you needed someone to actually be able to get him the ball for CnS opportunities or make plays for others. None of Hunter, Collins or Capela are adept passers and the biggest flaw of all was Nate's offensive philosophy.

From an article last December:

[b]It's hard to even say McMillan has instituted any kind of offensive system. Any shot the Hawks get is a result of individual creation, almost entirely by either Young or Murray.[/b] The Hawks make the fewest passes per game in the league by a wide margin, and their off-ball movement is virtually nonexistent. [b]Young still hasn't committed to that aspect of his game, and that's on him, but to be fair McMillan hasn't implemented the kind of impromptu screening and cutting culture required to make the movement of a player like Young consistently worthwhile. It takes everyone working together and in anticipation to free up a shooter, not just one guy running around.[/b]
To be fair, the Hawks finished with the No. 2 offense last season playing largely the same way, ..........but the your-turn-my-turn creation philosophy with Young and Murray feels positively pick-upish. There needs to be a system that can create shots for the shot creators. 

McMillan has not proven he's the guy to institute that kind of thing, either because he doesn't believe in such an offense, lacks the creativity to put it in play, or can't get the players, specifically Young, who's used to controlling everything with the ball in his hands, to buy into such a change

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/trae-young-gives-hawks-a-punchers-chance-now-but-their-real-window-should-open-in-a-few-years/amp/

[Impuniti]

Trae Young doesnt really do anything well but bait fouls and shoot FTs...

Poor FG% Poor 3pt% bad defender and led the league in turnovers...

Can he get better? Sure.

But as of now hes pretty lame.

He's one of the best playmakers in the league. Saying he doesn't do anything but bait foul and shoot FTs while ignoring that is absurd.