Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[SkywalkerAC]

Star.

[lolwut]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

[HumbleRen]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie's Preseason - 2023-2024

17.0 PPG
6.0 REB
3.7 AST
60% FG
50% 3PT
1.3 STL
1.7 BLK

22 mins per game.

Scottie's Preseason - 2022-2023

10.0 PPG
5.4 REB
2.8 AST
43% FG
22% 3PT
57% FT
49% TS

24 mins per game.

[SkywalkerAC]

Jimmy Butler? Why not say DeMar while we’re at it.

[lolwut]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

[TheGeneral99]

His form on his 3 point shooting is much more tighter and fluid.

[HumbleRen]

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

[ItsDanger]

Watch on YouTube

Scottie doesn't have Magic's handle but he can mimic the overall style he had.

[SharoneWright]

I agree about the defence, but not about his offence. His post game was above average, and in that era that really mattered. Had a great spin move.

Mmmm... nostalgia. He had no finish outside of the RA whatsoever, and was a 91 TS+ guy on his career. The only time he wasn't below league-average was the 11-game stretch immediately after we acquired him. Definitely had all the negative offensive markers you could ask for. No range. Mediocre at the line early, terrible late. He was mobile and athletic. He had nice shimmies on the block, he handled contact well, the spin WAS nice, and he knew how to use his pump fake, I'll give him that. But yeah, he didn't have range, touch on his hook, like, eh, there's only so far you can go when you're a weak defender and can't operate more than 3 feet from the hoop. And he couldn't rebound on the defensive side of things to save his life. Even in that era, that's not a high-value prospect for a starter. Maybe as a Corliss Williamson-type 6th man, but not as a starting guy who needed more run than he got. Sad ending, though. He could have been a 10-year guy in the NBA, all that said. He'd have been a journeyman but he could have stuck around.

He was everything you said. I was super-pumped when we got him - a classic 2 dimes for a quarter trade, I thought. He never quite showed, but let's not forget he was only 24 years old at the time of the car accident.

[TorontoBarneys]

There is truly no reason why Scottie shouldn't be averaging 20 ppg this season.

Going after the MIP award should be his carrot on a stick this season IMO.

[Tha Cynic]

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

That's also Kawhi Leonard, though he has become a machine at shooting.

Realistically closest archetype is probably early Lebron James without the first step and handles. There's a reason why the comparisons to Magic aren't way off. It's just he has a couple of skills that need serious refining.

[HumbleRen]

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

That's also Kawhi Leonard, though he has become a machine at shooting.

Realistically closest archetype is probably early Lebron James without the first step and handles.

That's just not Lebron then because his lightening first step with his size and his basketball mind is what makes Lebron, Lebron.

Scottie is just an unique type of player, it's hard to find an accurate comp. I want to say Lamar Odom but I don't want people to get mad at me for comparing Scottie to non all nba caliber player. I'll just say Scottie is the first Scottie.

[Scase]

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

While I disagree with the overall comp, I get what he's saying, there are some large similarities in style.

But I would put an asterisk on the inability to blow past a defender. Scottie definitely cannot blow past them with a quick first step, but the games we've seen him playing thus far have shown that with a player on his hip, he's getting past them WAY easier than the past 2 years. His mechanics look better in that regard, and he's actually moving away from bullying them in those situations, and relying more on fluid movements to kind of swing/hook past them. It's subtle, but definitely there.

[tsherkin]

He was everything you said. I was super-pumped when we got him - a classic 2 dimes for a quarter trade, I thought. He never quite showed, but let's not forget he was only 24 years old at the time of the car accident.

Yeah, I mean he could have improved some from where he was. I suppose I'm just not excited because there was a hard cap on what he could have become with those baseline deficiencies. Still, he was exciting when he was anywhere around the rim, I'll cede that quickly enough!

[HumbleRen]

Sorry, I just don't see it. Barnes and Butler are nothing alike. You're welcome to disagree with the Lebron comparison, but Butler's game is completely different.

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

While I disagree with the overall comp, I get what he's saying, there are some large similarities in style.

But I would put an asterisk on the inability to blow past a defender. Scottie definitely cannot blow past them with a quick first step, but the games we've seen him playing thus far have shown that with a player on his hip, he's getting past them WAY easier than the past 2 years. His mechanics look better in that regard, and he's actually moving away from bullying them in those situations, and relying more on fluid movements to kind of swing/hook past them. It's subtle, but definitely there.

That's fair. I just kind of think people forgot what Lebron was when he was Scottie's age in terms of athleticism. Like that dude was blowing by people like Ja Morant does but at like 6'9 240. Also more importantly, LBJ has been a lead ball handler his entire career, Scottie has never shown that ability before. Like no offence to Dennis but Darko doesn't even trust Scottie to be the lead ball handler over him.

They're both jumbo playmakers but that's about where I stop the comparisons lol.

[brownbobcat]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

I would love to see Scottie incorporate some some of Melo's footwork and jab step from the triple threat, but of course this requires an reliable jumper to be effective.

[Felixians4]

Mix of SCOTTIE Pippen and Harrison BARNES

[Scase]

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

While I disagree with the overall comp, I get what he's saying, there are some large similarities in style.

But I would put an asterisk on the inability to blow past a defender. Scottie definitely cannot blow past them with a quick first step, but the games we've seen him playing thus far have shown that with a player on his hip, he's getting past them WAY easier than the past 2 years. His mechanics look better in that regard, and he's actually moving away from bullying them in those situations, and relying more on fluid movements to kind of swing/hook past them. It's subtle, but definitely there.

That's fair. I just kind of think people forgot what Lebron was when he was Scottie's age in terms of athleticism. Like that dude was blowing by people like Ja Morant does but at like 6'9 240. Also more importantly, LBJ has been a lead ball handler his entire career, Scottie has never shown that ability before. Like no offence to Dennis but Darko doesn't even trust Scottie to be the lead ball handler over him.

They're both jumbo playmakers but that's about where I stop the comparisons lol.

I can agree with that, I personally see his skillset as a mesh of Giannis/Jokic (again obviously not anywhere close to their levels lol). In that I think he has the physicality to just go downhill like Giannis, and with a better handle at that. As for Jokic, not overall but more so how he could be directing the offense from the post.

I really hope we get the offense running so we can see tons more movement and shooters for him to coordinate, and then just the insane 3 steps from the 3pt line to a dunk stuff that he flashes every couple games.


All that said, I'm super excited to see his defense this year. He already looks WAY better, and moving away from Nurses style that had him hugging faster guards at the 3pt line just to get blown past is already paying huge dividends.

[YogurtProducer]

Damn so we got a Magic Johnson / Jimmy Butler / Lebron James / Scottie Pippen / Lamar Odom / Giannis / Jokic hybrid on our hands. Gonna be an exciting year