Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[ForeverTFC]

Damn so we got a Magic Johnson / Jimmy Butler / Lebron James / Scottie Pippen / Lamar Odom / Giannis / Jokic hybrid on our hands. Gonna be an exciting year

It's a mix of all those guys, minus their first or second best skill/attribute apparently. Lebron without the first step. Magic without the handle. Giannis without the explosiveness....

Anyways, loved his game yesterday and particularly loved that he and Siakam were showing a bit of a 2 man game late in the 3rd to prove there is a world where they may be able to co-exist on the court.

[PhilBlackson]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

[ForeverTFC]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

[PhilBlackson]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

[YogurtProducer]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

[ItsDanger]

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

Posters are providing style comparisons to what the player can become in his career, not that they would match or exceed that player's performance. This should be readily understood by everyone but apparently not. "Difficult concept" indeed.

[PhilBlackson]

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

I didn't say HE was dumb, I said it was a dumb thing to SAY which it was.

Like should I now grill tfo you for making a Pascal comparison because everything isn't the same?! Or because I think Siakam supposedly has "one defining characteristic" therefore you're supposedly not allowed to draw any comparison?? Of course not which is why it's a dumb thing to say because obviously you're just pointing out similarities, not saying he is Pascal's clone. By his definition you're not allowed to make the comparison because he's not as strong as Scottie & one MAJOR thing you left out is that Pascal is not the same level of passer he is.

There may be some similarities there but no one is saying "he is LeBron, Jimmy etc" anymore than you're claiming he's LIKE (not exact) to Siakam which is rather ironic though that you're basically mocking other posters for drawing comparisons but being "guilty" of the same action.

Anyways I don't take any issues with people drawing comparisons & understand the CONTEXT of what they're trying to say. It's just funny the double standard you're currently applying and how others are so quick to mock rather than to try & understand where the comparisons are being made/the similarities being pointed out.

[TorontoBarneys]

YogurtProducer is just irritated that people are heaping praise on a kid he was ready to dump for a 33 year old who didn't even want to be here not one month ago. It's a bad look for him.

[MiamiSPX]

I think he'll be the player that comes the closest this season to a quadruple double and/or a 5x5 game. Yeah, I said it.

[Tha Cynic]

Butler's game is contingent on bully ball, not blowing past his defender but dragging his defender along as he gets to his spots. Sounds like Scottie to me.

Lebron even at age 40 has the ability to blow his defender in a way that Scottie simply can't.

Agree to disagree though.

That's also Kawhi Leonard, though he has become a machine at shooting.

Realistically closest archetype is probably early Lebron James without the first step and handles.

That's just not Lebron then because his lightening first step with his size and his basketball mind is what makes Lebron, Lebron.

Scottie is just an unique type of player, it's hard to find an accurate comp. I want to say Lamar Odom but I don't want people to get mad at me for comparing Scottie to non all nba caliber player. I'll just say Scottie is the first Scottie.

It's fine to say a player plays a style similar to someone and have them be a better version of worse version of them. Barnes doesn't have too many comparables in this league which is why you need to do part comparisons.

Lamar Odom is a version of Magic and another version of Josh Smith

[Tha Cynic]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

It's trolling or just being stupid lol. When people say Kobe plays like Jordan, they're not saying he is Jordan.

[canada_dry]

Jimmy Butler? Why not say DeMar while we’re at it.

Because jimmy is better? Dont tell me you were one of those Raptor stans arguing demar to be just aa good or equal to Jimmy...lol.

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[YogurtProducer]

YogurtProducer is just irritated that people are heaping praise on a kid he was ready to dump for a 33 year old who didn't even want to be here not one month ago. It's a bad look for him.

Yeah you got me. I am sooooo upset that we have a good young player on our team who might take a leap forward. So choked.

[canada_dry]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

I would love to see Scottie incorporate some some of Melo's footwork and jab step from the triple threat, but of course this requires an reliable jumper to be effective.

Thats the opposite of the quick decision making this coaching wants to install. Imagine melo on a .5 offense. The ultimate ball stopper triple threating and jab stepping for 15 seconds. My God lol.

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[canada_dry]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

Framework around a better more mentally mature Lamar odom then.

Without the very good ball handling

I think a better odom is an all star/all nba type guy though. Its not a insult at all. Ya'll dont remember this man in his miami year or his first 2 laker years, especially in the playoffs the way he was sonning shawn marion in those suns series dropping 20 and 10.

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[canada_dry]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

It's trolling or just being stupid lol. When people say Kobe plays like Jordan, they're not saying he is Jordan.

Ooo. Bad comp. Kobe stans to his day say hes #2 All time just because hes the closest thing we've seen to jordan, who's #1. So that means kobe has to he #2

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[Tha Cynic]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

It's trolling or just being stupid lol. When people say Kobe plays like Jordan, they're not saying he is Jordan.

Ooo. Bad comp. Kobe stans to his day say hes #2 All time just because hes the closest thing we've seen to jordan, who's #1. So that means kobe has to he #2

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I mean we have people from every group who say different things. There are some who think the world is flat. It doesn't mean those are the people we have to associate consensus with.

There are also others who say Kobe Bryant is not a top 20 player and others who think Lebron James is easily better than Michael Jordan.

The reason why popular players are used is because most would know what those players played like. How many people for example remember Josh Smith? FVVs best comparison is for example probably Jameer Nelson but you barely ever heard that comparison here because how many people actually remember him.

[PhilBlackson]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

Framework around a better more mentally mature Lamar odom then.

Without the very good ball handling

I think a better odom is an all star/all nba type guy though. Its not a insult at all. Ya'll dont remember this man in his miami year or his first 2 laker years, especially in the playoffs the way he was sonning shawn marion in those suns series dropping 20 and 10.

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I can see a touch of that too but I do think Scottie is much better in transition & much more gifted passer that will open up his game more than Lamar was capable of which of course should ultimately make him a much better player overall. Also I don't think it's a slight because the thing is I think most people would agree that Odom never actually reached the heights of his potential. He just never seemed to have "it" or the desire to really be amongst the best in the league to truly propel him to the next level.

[Vampirate]

This guy can literally just play in the post or aggressively drive and he would be a 20 ppg player with good FG%. He will never be a perimeter 1st player, if he can knock down the open shots to keep the defense honest, that all you really need. Whenever he's in the post, he is great around the rim. Scottie is a walking mismatch and with his ability to see over the defense and his passing, this combination should be unstoppable.

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

This feels more like Jimmy Butler then anything else.

Lebron's first step is just too integral in how Lebron's playstyle comes to fruition. Scottie's first step is virtually non existent when he's facing up guys that aren't centers.

Going to be honest, if I was forced to pick one athletic advantage to have a player be without it's an elite first step.

Speed is the first to go, however Barnes natural gifts and strength should age well the better ball handling and shooter he becomes.

In other words, he should age gracefully I believe.

[Tha Cynic]

I still maintain that Lebron is the best comparison for Barnes. As usual, I have to include the disclaimer that I'm not claiming Barnes is on the level of Lebron. I'm purely addressing their styles of play.

- Shaky jumpshot, but enough to keep the defense honest
- Capable of playing as both a scorer and a facilitator
- Great in transition
- Tough to double due to the ability to pass over the defense
- Bullies smaller defenders

His style of play resembles Lebron much more than Magic.

I would love to see Scottie incorporate some some of Melo's footwork and jab step from the triple threat, but of course this requires an reliable jumper to be effective.

Thats the opposite of the quick decision making this coaching wants to install. Imagine melo on a .5 offense. The ultimate ball stopper triple threating and jab stepping for 15 seconds. My God lol.

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If we think about it, this is probably the style Siakam has been playing the last couple of years. I doubt we'll completely remove isolations. Once games start tightening up, we will need some of that.