Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[canada_dry]

Why are people taking the comparisons so literal?! lol

Obviously they're just being used to highlight certain features of their games & it's more about if being a general archetype of the skillsets that has some similarities to (not exact replicas). It's just a framework, way too many of you are too caught on them being exactly the same when clearly that's not what's not what's being implied. You should only mock yourselves for not comprehending that & not the posters that continue to say they're pointing out particular elements of their games, not that he is somehow their clones lol

Framework around a better more mentally mature Lamar odom then.

Without the very good ball handling

I think a better odom is an all star/all nba type guy though. Its not a insult at all. Ya'll dont remember this man in his miami year or his first 2 laker years, especially in the playoffs the way he was sonning shawn marion in those suns series dropping 20 and 10.

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I can see a touch of that too but I do think Scottie is much better in transition & much more gifted passer that will open up his game more than Lamar was capable of which of course should ultimately make him a much better player overall. Also I don't think it's a slight because the thing is I think most people would agree that Odom never actually reached the heights of his potential. He just never seemed to have "it" or the desire to really be amongst the best in the league to truly propel him to the next level.

Odom was a beast in transition. Especially his playmaking. Those clippers teams ran for days and he was sick.

And thats exactly it. Think of an odom that reached his potential, Or close to it. Which is what i meant by mentally more mature odom, because i think it was ofoms mentality or maturity that held him back. That guys really really good. All nba good, which is what we hope for from scottie.

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[brownbobcat]

I would love to see Scottie incorporate some some of Melo's footwork and jab step from the triple threat, but of course this requires an reliable jumper to be effective.

Thats the opposite of the quick decision making this coaching wants to install. Imagine melo on a .5 offense. The ultimate ball stopper triple threating and jab stepping for 15 seconds. My God lol.

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If we think about it, this is probably the style Siakam has been playing the last couple of years. I doubt we'll completely remove isolations. Once games start tightening up, we will need some of that.

I am of course talking about the skillset to unleash his bully ball potential, not saying Scottie should play like Melo all the time.

Having said that, motion offenses die an ugly death when defenses dare you to shoot and you can't.

[canada_dry]

I would love to see Scottie incorporate some some of Melo's footwork and jab step from the triple threat, but of course this requires an reliable jumper to be effective.

Thats the opposite of the quick decision making this coaching wants to install. Imagine melo on a .5 offense. The ultimate ball stopper triple threating and jab stepping for 15 seconds. My God lol.

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If we think about it, this is probably the style Siakam has been playing the last couple of years. I doubt we'll completely remove isolations. Once games start tightening up, we will need some of that.

Its also what they want to remove from siakam. The slow , stationary, jab stepping before making your move. Theres nothing wrong with going at your guy at all, just make your move quicker. Siakam is more than capable of that.

And i don't think its a habit they want scottie picking up on at all. Not in this system at least.

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[brownbobcat]

Its also what they want to remove from siakam. The slow , stationary, jab stepping before making your move. Theres nothing wrong with going at your guy at all, just make your move quicker. Siakam is more than capable of that.

And i don't think its a habit they want scottie picking up on at all. Not in this system at least.

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The main problem there is that Siakam isn't good enough to be the #1 option doing that. Opportunistically yes, but he's not an offensive hub.

[Tha Cynic]

Thats the opposite of the quick decision making this coaching wants to install. Imagine melo on a .5 offense. The ultimate ball stopper triple threating and jab stepping for 15 seconds. My God lol.

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If we think about it, this is probably the style Siakam has been playing the last couple of years. I doubt we'll completely remove isolations. Once games start tightening up, we will need some of that.

Its also what they want to remove from siakam. The slow , stationary, jab stepping before making your move. Theres nothing wrong with going at your guy at all, just make your move quicker. Siakam is more than capable of that.

And i don't think its a habit they want scottie picking up on at all. Not in this system at least.

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From what we've seen Barnes generally knows how to place players away from the ball and then make a move. He's not your conventional faceup player. He plays the game similar to how Andre Miller did with his slow pace when he's in the lane that's very methodical or back-down when he's closer to the paint. Barnes generally knows how to get where he wants to through herky jerky moves rather than exploding there with a quick first step.

[YogurtProducer]

It's trolling or just being stupid lol. When people say Kobe plays like Jordan, they're not saying he is Jordan.

Ooo. Bad comp. Kobe stans to his day say hes #2 All time just because hes the closest thing we've seen to jordan, who's #1. So that means kobe has to he #2

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I mean we have people from every group who say different things. There are some who think the world is flat. It doesn't mean those are the people we have to associate consensus with.

There are also others who say Kobe Bryant is not a top 20 player and others who think Lebron James is easily better than Michael Jordan.

The reason why popular players are used is because most would know what those players played like. How many people for example remember Josh Smith? FVVs best comparison is for example probably Jameer Nelson but you barely ever heard that comparison here because how many people actually remember him.

How many people who post on RealGM don't know Josh Smith or Jameer Nelson?

[Tha Cynic]

Ooo. Bad comp. Kobe stans to his day say hes #2 All time just because hes the closest thing we've seen to jordan, who's #1. So that means kobe has to he #2

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I mean we have people from every group who say different things. There are some who think the world is flat. It doesn't mean those are the people we have to associate consensus with.

There are also others who say Kobe Bryant is not a top 20 player and others who think Lebron James is easily better than Michael Jordan.

The reason why popular players are used is because most would know what those players played like. How many people for example remember Josh Smith? FVVs best comparison is for example probably Jameer Nelson but you barely ever heard that comparison here because how many people actually remember him.

How many people who post on RealGM don't know Josh Smith or Jameer Nelson?

Who knows. But no one is think about those guys when they think basketball

[Scase]

You can't say someone looks like someone else without that one thing that makes them who they are.

It's like that one cooking show where the host compared the chef's dish to a carbonara "if it only it had peas" and the chef responds "if my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike".

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

You and I have had plenty of disagreements before, and even I took it as a playful jab lol.

I think he, if we're talking potential, is a WAY better version of Siakam. Scottie has at least an elite skill, that's why I wouldn't use Siakam as a comparison personally. Siakam is a great jack of all trades, but he doesn't have any one skill that is top level.

Scottie has elite vision, and has the potential to be unstoppable in the post. I'm hoping to see him model his post game after Giannis, I can see him being a Giannis-lite player in that sense. But by no means do I think he's going to reach Giannis levels lol.

[ForeverTFC]

Jesus what a dumb thing to say lol

Uggh yeah you can unless you're too simple minded to comprehend that people are pointing SPECIFIC parts of their game.

If you can't distinguish that, the issue is with your own comprehension, not the person who's pointing out the SIMILARITIES. Similarities =/= exact replicas so it's not a requirement that they REPLICATE everything. If you choose to oversimplify the problem lies with you not understanding context. Nor is there only "one thing that makes them who they are", if they could ONLY do that one thing, they wouldn't be who they are lol. But it's that the can do all those things that DIFFERENTIATES them, what is being discussed is the similarities.

Maybe you need to have someone explain what similarities are to you but it's not a requirement that things be exactly the same in order to draw comparisons for similarities. This is very basic level stuff to understand.

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

Posters are providing style comparisons to what the player can become in his career, not that they would match or exceed that player's performance. This should be readily understood by everyone but apparently not. "Difficult concept" indeed.

Ducks remind me of Eagles, with the way they have wings. Just a style comparison is all, not a difficult concept to grasp. Carry on.

[Jcity08]

Im ready for Scotties break out season, lfg!!!!!

[tsherkin]

Its also what they want to remove from siakam. The slow , stationary, jab stepping before making your move. Theres nothing wrong with going at your guy at all, just make your move quicker. Siakam is more than capable of that.

And i don't think its a habit they want scottie picking up on at all. Not in this system at least.

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Slow, endless jab steps were the bit I hated most about Chris Bosh's game.

[Scase]

It’s not that deep man. I don’t think a personal attack and calling the guy dumb is really necessary.

I was just poking fun at at absurdity of the comparisons full of top 50 nba players of all time.

Realistically - Scottie is a more powerful, less finesse, version of Siakam. A 6’9 point forward type guy who struggles to shoot but can be a very nice defensive piece in addition to his offensive contributions.

Posters are providing style comparisons to what the player can become in his career, not that they would match or exceed that player's performance. This should be readily understood by everyone but apparently not. "Difficult concept" indeed.

Ducks remind me of Eagles, with the way they have wings. Just a style comparison is all, not a difficult concept to grasp. Carry on.

Dude why are you being combative for no reason lol. You clearly know what he's saying.

To use your own analogy, it's like saying a falcon or a hawk is similar to an eagle. They have a bunch of similar attributes/skills/features, but not the same.

Or are you going to argue that a lambo and a ferrari aren't similar just because a civic also has tires?

[ForeverTFC]

Posters are providing style comparisons to what the player can become in his career, not that they would match or exceed that player's performance. This should be readily understood by everyone but apparently not. "Difficult concept" indeed.

Ducks remind me of Eagles, with the way they have wings. Just a style comparison is all, not a difficult concept to grasp. Carry on.

Dude why are you being combative for no reason lol. You clearly know what he's saying.

To use your own analogy, it's like saying a falcon or a hawk is similar to an eagle. They have a bunch of similar attributes/skills/features, but not the same.

Or are you going to argue that a lambo and a ferrari aren't similar just because a civic also has tires?

How am I the one being combative? I'm just saying there is little value in the comparisons when you take out maybe the most important part of the equation. What's the point of saying Scottie is like Magic without the handles? Magic isn't Magic without the handles. The handles accentuate all of the other qualities. Similarly, saying Scottie is the same as Lebron without the first step just completely misses the point that Lebron's first step accentuates all his other skills.

My point is when you take out the core skill or two that amplify all other skills, that comparison almost becomes moot. In your example, a falcon and a Hawk are birds of prey that swoop down with speed to catch their prey. That's a core of what makes both birds such good predators and so it's a good comparison.

[SkywalkerAC]

Jimmy Butler? Why not say DeMar while we’re at it.

Because jimmy is better? Dont tell me you were one of those Raptor stans arguing demar to be just aa good or equal to Jimmy...lol.

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I just said DeMar because he's a former Raptor who like Jimmy is a midrange-attacking shooting guard with solid playmaking ability, and while that kind of works as a comparison for Scottie, it also kind of doesn't quite tell the story of what Scottie is.

He's just so much bigger and dare I say more unique as a a prototype than those guys.

[Scase]

Ducks remind me of Eagles, with the way they have wings. Just a style comparison is all, not a difficult concept to grasp. Carry on.

Dude why are you being combative for no reason lol. You clearly know what he's saying.

To use your own analogy, it's like saying a falcon or a hawk is similar to an eagle. They have a bunch of similar attributes/skills/features, but not the same.

Or are you going to argue that a lambo and a ferrari aren't similar just because a civic also has tires?

How am I the one being combative? I'm just saying there is little value in the comparisons when you take out maybe the most important part of the equation. What's the point of saying Scottie is like Magic without the handles? Magic isn't Magic without the handles. The handles accentuate all of the other qualities. Similarly, saying Scottie is the same as Lebron without the first step just completely misses the point that Lebron's first step accentuates all his other skills.

My point is when you take out the core skill or two that amplify all other skills, that comparison almost becomes moot. In your example, a falcon and a Hawk are birds of prey that swoop down with speed to catch their prey. That's a core of what makes both birds such good predators and so it's a good comparison.

Yeah and Magic arguably had 4 massive skills, BBIQ, passing, court vision, and handles. Scottie has 3 of those, no one is saying he is Magic, just saying there is a lot of crossover from his elite skillset. If he had all of them, people wouldn't say he's LIKE Magic, they would say he is the second coming of magic. Like people did with Kobe/MJ. Kobe didn't have freakishly large hands which is what allowed MJ to do so many things he did, does that mean Kobe was nothing like MJ?

You're taking this stuff way too literally.

[SkywalkerAC]

Scottie Barnes...also has pretty good handles.

[Mikistan]

Scottie Barnes is magic.

[Got Nuffin]

Scottie reminds me of the older Magic when he became more of a facilitating power forward, but who could still run the point when required and run an exciting fast break when he gets in transition.

Obviously Scottie has a bit of Giannis-like speed and athleticism on that version of Magic, but I think that might be the best comparison for him.

[MiamiSPX]

I still don't think he realizes that he is stronger than most players. Once he fully realizes this, and uses it to his advantage, watch out.

[Scase]

I still don't think he realizes that he is stronger than most players. Once he fully realizes this, and uses it to his advantage, watch out.

He's like a Bernese/newfie puppy, too young to know they are just tanks.