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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread 

Post#1021 » by twix2500 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:17 pm

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Hallstar wrote:There's a difference between Butler dribbling out the clock to set up his shot and being passed the ball when everything has broken down.

Your stats as usual lack a little thing called context

You are correct and I can't do too much about that unless I go back to nba.com's video play by play box score and write down everything that happened (can't find pass by pass stats) so there is context and from time to time I use to take multiple screenshots of plays that stuck out to me that it seems nobody ever sees. Here's a few to look at when I was screenshotting plays it seems nobody ever seems to see. It looks like sometimes Herro abandons the play near the end of the shot clock and heads the other way before the shot is up which makes it tougher on his teammates playing 4 on 5 unless they pass it to him at near half court.

For instance, Herro dancing around looking for his own shot, wasting the shot clock with Lowry wide open. Lowry was kinda of mad after this play.
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Here he is with 2 defenders on him and Lowry wide open... no pass.
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What does Herro do, he attacks forward and to his right which moves Caruso closer to Lowry so he can be in position to contest which he does.
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Lowry has to pump fake to not get his shot blocked, take a dribble away from the basket and put up a tougher shot while being contested before the shot clock runs out.
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Hopefully advances in AI will be able to pull out pass by pass data fairly easy. I'm sure there are services out there that already do that which are quite expensive and just not available to the general public.

Another grenade for Lowry.
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Herro dancing around looking for his shot, the screen could get him open so he picks up his dribble with around 4 on the shotclock, Lowry seeing this he has to make himself available to get the ball and at least get a shot off, but he has a sizable defender in Tatum on him, so he needs space to get the shot off in a small amount of time.
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And here he is getting the shot off.
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Herro likes to head down court before possessions are over so sometimes he's already at half court when he gets a late shot clock pass (he left his teamates in a 4 on 5 situation) because he's basically abandoned the play late in the shot clock.
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Here's the 2021-2022 playoffs, under 4 seconds on the shot clock where's Herro, he's at half court already.
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Where was he at just a second before this? Glad you asked!
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Sorry, this is one I just didn't understand so I had to mark the space he decided not to be available at vs going to nearly half court.
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That Bulls clip if Herro wasn't there (halfcourt) and the pass was intercepted, you'd be saying he didn't create an angle. I know how you comment on this stuff bro. You're consistent if nothing else.

Also based on your same logic, why didn't you say Lowry ran to halfcourt?

so based on your own still images, Lowry isn't open there with 3 secs left?

That's not contested if Duncan or Strus received it. If that got contested then Caruso was gonna contest at 5 secs also

And in all your research guess you didn't come across once when Herro gets handed some BS.

Did anybody say no one else has received the desperation pass or did I say Herro receives more than most?

You just couldn't accept a simple statement, you had to run around looking for selected "clips" when people are discussing season long phenomena
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Heat are planning on keeping Martin. They probably believe they can keep him at a price they are comfortable giving him. Probably have a really good relationship with his agent.

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Post#1022 » by AirP. » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:48 pm

twix2500 wrote:
AirP. wrote:Team building question, why hasn't Cain been offered a 2+1 contract to lock him somewhat long term? Its highly possible Martin will be gone next year with the MLE being 13 million and with Miami not wanting to be a multi-year luxury tax team. I think it's a safe bet that Cain could be at least a decent rotation player if needed. Highsmith and probably Richardson will be FA next summer too.
Heat are planning on keeping Martin. They probably believe they can keep him at a price they are comfortable giving him. Probably have a really good relationship with his agent.

Maybe but they need to get rid of some future money with Robinson's contract being the biggest need to move. I don't expect this FO will be allowed to be in the tax next year.
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Post#1023 » by AirP. » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:49 pm

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Post#1024 » by Wiltside » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:53 pm

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Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason
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Post#1025 » by KingDavid » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:09 pm

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Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Yeah, been looking forward to seeing him play and adjust to NBA speed. Oh well, there's always the season.
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Post#1026 » by Jfh20 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:10 pm

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Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Ya only reason to watch is to see what the new player has to offer and spo sits him every game
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Post#1027 » by Bourne85 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:19 pm

Jfh20 wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Read on Twitter

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Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Ya only reason to watch is to see what the new player has to offer and spo sits him every game


Spo sees these guys everyday in practice. If he isn’t using them in games is because he doesn’t think they are ready. Simple as that. That’s why those of you expecting Jaquez or Jovic to play meaningful minutes this season are not rooted in reality. They aren’t ready.
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Post#1028 » by SerialChiller » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:26 pm

Bourne85 wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Ya only reason to watch is to see what the new player has to offer and spo sits him every game


Spo sees these guys everyday in practice. If he isn’t using them in games is because he doesn’t think they are ready. Simple as that. That’s why those of you expecting Jaquez or Jovic to play meaningful minutes this season are not rooted in reality. They aren’t ready.


I don't think Jovic will but I do expect Jaquez to, he does seem ready. But you could be right, Spo does plenty of things I don't agree with so who knows. But Highsmith will be playing over Jovic I'm pretty sure on that.
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Post#1029 » by IceColdCubano » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:54 pm

Last game of the preseason, want to see something cool, out of the ordinary with one of our players.
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Post#1030 » by eddieheatfan » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:54 pm

Bourne85 wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Ya only reason to watch is to see what the new player has to offer and spo sits him every game


Spo sees these guys everyday in practice. If he isn’t using them in games is because he doesn’t think they are ready. Simple as that. That’s why those of you expecting Jaquez or Jovic to play meaningful minutes this season are not rooted in reality. They aren’t ready.
yup i'm of the same opinion here
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Post#1031 » by Pokuokic » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:00 am

Vincent and Strus was ready guys shooting 33% from 3 and playing terrible D and nothing else same with Robinson these guy's are ready while JJJ and Jovic are not....
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Post#1032 » by eddieheatfan » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:06 am

Pokuokic wrote:Vincent and Strus was ready guys shooting 33% from 3 and playing terrible D and nothing else same with Robinson these guy's are ready while JJJ and Jovic are not....



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Post#1033 » by IceColdCubano » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:23 am

Bams jumper really good, that Middy gonna be butter this season.
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Post#1034 » by Wiltside » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:24 am

Highsmith out a minimum of 2 weeks. Not ideal.

Bam J is so wet right now
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Post#1035 » by Wiltside » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:26 am

Still not sold on Lowry and Love both starting.

As I say that they both knock down triples.
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Post#1036 » by Bourne85 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:28 am

Our PG and PF positions are very weak. Lowry and Love cannot be the starters or we are screwed. Maybe Lowry can scrape by, but Love is def not going to work.
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Post#1037 » by Jfh20 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:29 am

Bourne85 wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Wiltside wrote:
Sucks that we’ve barely seen Jaquez in general between Summer League and now Preseason

Ya only reason to watch is to see what the new player has to offer and spo sits him every game


Spo sees these guys everyday in practice. If he isn’t using them in games is because he doesn’t think they are ready. Simple as that. That’s why those of you expecting Jaquez or Jovic to play meaningful minutes this season are not rooted in reality. They aren’t ready.

throw um in there.. not like this team will be winning any titles anytime soon
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Post#1038 » by Bourne85 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:29 am

If Love isn’t the starter then I think Spo will start Caleb. Leaving us with small ball. Bam is going to be asked to do far too much down there
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Post#1039 » by eddieheatfan » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:30 am

Wiltside wrote:Highsmith out a minimum of 2 weeks. Not ideal.

Bam J is so wet right now
he's playing rather well so far.
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Post#1040 » by Wiltside » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:31 am

Bourne85 wrote:Our PG and PF positions are very weak. Lowry and Love cannot be the starters or we are screwed. Maybe Lowry can scrape by, but Love is def not going to work.


Based on what we’ve seen so far, I’d probably go:

Lowry / Richardson / Hampton / Smith
Herro / Robinson / Cain
Butler / Martin / Jaquez / Swider
Highsmith / Love / Jovic
Adebayo / Bryant / Robinson

I’d be happy to supplant Love with Jaquez and go smaller and more versatile if necessary.
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