Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[canada_dry]

Preseason hot takes. Gotta love it.

All i care about is the energy, defense, handles somewhat, even the shot looks better. Great.

Need to see this in the regular season. More of this consistently and everyone is happy.

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Pretty much this. Good to see him looking good; hope it translates. Hope he's healthy. We need him to be good if we have any prayer of having an interesting season.

Yep.

Its a good sign that he's performing well in preseason. Last year he underwhelmed in preseason and then underwhelmed in the games that mattered, So him playing well this time around is a welcome sight. Lets hope it continues.

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[DemHeavyHands]

Excited for Scottie’s ALL-NBA season with averages of 25/8/6 on good efficiency. After watching him against the Cairns Taipans I have concluded it is his team now.

Gonna be a tough season for u if Scottie is awesome

I hope he is awesome. I had huge expectations last year and have even bigger expectations this year.

[LoveMyRaps]

No injury update today bodes well.

Seems like he'll be ready for opening night.

[MoMan24]

I think Scottie at Center is too quick on offence, getting to tip ins, put backs and tap outs with ease. He is more likely to get his feet set for 3s if a C is guarding him too. He's a menace coming over to help in the paint and recovers back to his man so well.

He is going to make a great point guard some day.

However, he is already our best center. Center is my favorite position. Barnes is excelling at so many of the little things I love to see at that position and he is reminding me of a mini-Joker.

After this preseason, I think the team should seriously make Scottie the starting center and playing Jak off the bench.

That gives us room for another shooter like Gary, Dick or Otto in the starting unit.

I wonder when we can trade Jak and what we could get for him on his new contract? Could we get a spacing PG or C?

I disagree for a bunch of reasons, but mainly that playing Scottie up a position will just wear him out over the course of the year.

We went through this for two seasons. The lesson we learned was that you can't play small ball for a full year.

If Jak is hurt, play Precious. If Precious sucks, play Koloko (if available). Darko will want to play Boucher too, and we can always finish small in certain match ups. But No to Scottie at C imo as any kind of regular thing.

Bingo. Barnes is actually our best 5 considering how versatile he is and how fast we can play. But since he is the most valuable asset we've had control over since Vince, we need to take care of him physically. That being said if Jakob, Precious and Koloko are all out then have him play some 5 since Thad should never see the floor and Boucher is too thin with low IQ. That's why Barnes is so special cause he might be your best 5 man and your best point guard. It's truly remarkable.

[Tofubeque]

Scottie is a perfect closing lineup C. I’d have zero concerns about his body playing there for 8 minutes per game.

That doesn’t mean he should start or play a majority of his minutes there though. The value of a big like Poeltl is someone who can eat those minutes, set a tone inside and hit guys with screens every game. In some matchups you’ll want to close with Poeltl too, but 4th quarters is when many teams size down anyway.

[djsunyc]

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[LoveMyRaps]

All good.

See y'all opening night.

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[CoachD]

My biggest gripe.... every fantasy league lists him as a SF or PF or both.... but on any given night he could be at any position!

[Duffman100]

All good.

See y'all opening night.

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Whewwwww. This made my Sunday.

[DG88]

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[Badonkadonk]

Actual interview related to above, because people make up narratives with a small subset of a quote without context:

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Aside from the numbers that actually proved it (especially in Scottie's rookie year), imagine thinking these guys couldn't play together

Toxic rgm would prefer to take the "God already gave you everything, you just need to do the rest" part and claim beef.

[Badonkadonk]

Scottie reciprocating the love

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[Syd-TK3]

Scottie and Siakam playing together has never been the problem anyone who ever believed that was probably favoring 1 guy.

It's the other 3 players around them that matters

[DemHeavyHands]

Scottie and Siakam playing together has never been the problem anyone who ever believed that was probably favoring 1 guy.

It's the other 3 players around them that matters

Yeah not too many teams have two legit 6’9 guys with offensive game like Pascal and Scottie

Tatum/Brown
Ingram/Zion?
Banchero/Franz?

I still question the long term (successful) fit because of the shooting. Why has Tatum/Brown worked so well when they’re both ball dominant guys, because they both shoot over 36% from 3 for their career and space the floor for each other.

If both our guys can be around at least 33-35%, and if Pascal is also willing to accept that Scottie will probably surpass him as the guy at some point, then yeah this duo can be legit

[Basketball_Jones]

Lebron and AD in recent memory in this era got it done with little spacing and three point shooting. Hall of famers, but you get the point. Miami got to the finals with Bam and Jimmy. You can certainly have lots of success with Siakam and Barnes, especially regular season. You will have to get creative and likely meaning less Poetl and Schroeder come playoff time. Gradey/Barnes/Otto is a start and a fair trio off the bench to mix in with them. I’d even throw Otto at the five, he’s kind of a big dude these days.

[tsherkin]

Lebron and AD in recent memory in this era got it done with little spacing and three point shooting.

The 2020 title Lakers were the 3rd-best D in the RS, and Lebron led the league in APG that year. He was a 25/8/10 guy, and AD posted 26/9. KCP, Rondo and Markieff Morris shot well from 3 in the playoffs and LA was the 2nd-best offense in the playoffs. Davis also shot 38% from 3 in the postseason on 2.9 3PA/g, so spacing was actually pretty present for them.

Miami got to the finals with Bam and Jimmy.

Yep. And Miami was the 6th-best O and the 7th-best D this past postseason. Butler shot 35.9% from 3 in the playoffs./ Bam was an 18/10/3.5 guy who passed well. Lowry and Vincent shot well from 3 in the PS. So did Duncan Robinson and Kevin Love. Hell, they even got 2 good games out of Oladipo and one from Herro. So they very much had some spacing to work with during that run.

And of course Butler drew at .625 FTr in the RS (and was a highly-efficient 64.7% TS scorer during the regular season). Dropped down to .421 and 56.5% TS in the playoffs (-0.1% rTS relative to playoff average) but he also led the postseason in MP.

Not an especially strong analog for Toronto this year. You need competitive advantage somewhere. Toronto was pretty average on either end of the floor last year. We're going to need a fairly significant upgrade from one or both of Siakam/Scottie to drive towards title contention. Maybe we see that; if we get the Scottie we saw in that Wizards game semi-regularly, that's going to be very interesting.

[Scase]

Lebron and AD in recent memory in this era got it done with little spacing and three point shooting.

The 2020 title Lakers were the 3rd-best D in the RS, and Lebron led the league in APG that year. He was a 25/8/10 guy, and AD posted 26/9. KCP, Rondo and Markieff Morris shot well from 3 in the playoffs and LA was the 2nd-best offense in the playoffs. Davis also shot 38% from 3 in the postseason on 2.9 3PA/g, so spacing was actually pretty present for them.

Miami got to the finals with Bam and Jimmy.

Yep. And Miami was the 6th-best O and the 7th-best D this past postseason. Butler shot 35.9% from 3 in the playoffs./ Bam was an 18/10/3.5 guy who passed well. Lowry and Vincent shot well from 3 in the PS. So did Duncan Robinson and Kevin Love. Hell, they even got 2 good games out of Oladipo and one from Herro. So they very much had some spacing to work with during that run.

And of course Butler drew at .625 FTr in the RS (and was a highly-efficient 64.7% TS scorer during the regular season). Dropped down to .421 and 56.5% TS in the playoffs (-0.1% rTS relative to playoff average) but he also led the postseason in MP.

Not an especially strong analog for Toronto this year. You need competitive advantage somewhere. Toronto was pretty average on either end of the floor last year. We're going to need a fairly significant upgrade from one or both of Siakam/Scottie to drive towards title contention. Maybe we see that; if we get the Scottie we saw in that Wizards game semi-regularly, that's going to be very interesting.

All roads back to us needing some **** shooters. Who knew?

[Basketball_Jones]

Lebron and AD in recent memory in this era got it done with little spacing and three point shooting.

The 2020 title Lakers were the 3rd-best D in the RS, and Lebron led the league in APG that year. He was a 25/8/10 guy, and AD posted 26/9. KCP, Rondo and Markieff Morris shot well from 3 in the playoffs and LA was the 2nd-best offense in the playoffs. Davis also shot 38% from 3 in the postseason on 2.9 3PA/g, so spacing was actually pretty present for them.

Miami got to the finals with Bam and Jimmy.

Yep. And Miami was the 6th-best O and the 7th-best D this past postseason. Butler shot 35.9% from 3 in the playoffs./ Bam was an 18/10/3.5 guy who passed well. Lowry and Vincent shot well from 3 in the PS. So did Duncan Robinson and Kevin Love. Hell, they even got 2 good games out of Oladipo and one from Herro. So they very much had some spacing to work with during that run.

And of course Butler drew at .625 FTr in the RS (and was a highly-efficient 64.7% TS scorer during the regular season). Dropped down to .421 and 56.5% TS in the playoffs (-0.1% rTS relative to playoff average) but he also led the postseason in MP.

Not an especially strong analog for Toronto this year. You need competitive advantage somewhere. Toronto was pretty average on either end of the floor last year. We're going to need a fairly significant upgrade from one or both of Siakam/Scottie to drive towards title contention. Maybe we see that; if we get the Scottie we saw in that Wizards game semi-regularly, that's going to be very interesting.

Yeah this is what I mean. These outliers can happen come playoff time, but overall I felt like those two teams really weren’t built for shooting. I don’t think we should model ourselves after that (2 hall of famers and a very lucky Miami heat team) but we can certainly have some decent success with a Scottie/Siakam pairing and will have to address shooting come playoff time, among other things.

[tsherkin]

All roads back to us needing some **** shooters. Who knew?

Yeah. That's no revelation, though. We need to be better on D, as well, and we need at least one of Scottie or Pascal to actually be efficient from the floor. They don't have to be extremely efficient, just better than league average. Then, we've got something to work with. If Scottie can keep hitting corner 3s at 40%+ and tweak a few other things, he isn't far off from being able to manage that. And Siakam could reduce volume and get back to that level. That'd be not a bad trade. A little more volume for Scottie, a little less for Pascal, and we win on both fronts offensively. OG and Trent aren't bad spot-up guys. A full season of Poeltl won't hurt our team offense, either.

And I want to see more of Scottie as the roll man in the PnR. That's a pretty good set for him.

[Scase]

Lebron and AD in recent memory in this era got it done with little spacing and three point shooting.

The 2020 title Lakers were the 3rd-best D in the RS, and Lebron led the league in APG that year. He was a 25/8/10 guy, and AD posted 26/9. KCP, Rondo and Markieff Morris shot well from 3 in the playoffs and LA was the 2nd-best offense in the playoffs. Davis also shot 38% from 3 in the postseason on 2.9 3PA/g, so spacing was actually pretty present for them.

Miami got to the finals with Bam and Jimmy.

Yep. And Miami was the 6th-best O and the 7th-best D this past postseason. Butler shot 35.9% from 3 in the playoffs./ Bam was an 18/10/3.5 guy who passed well. Lowry and Vincent shot well from 3 in the PS. So did Duncan Robinson and Kevin Love. Hell, they even got 2 good games out of Oladipo and one from Herro. So they very much had some spacing to work with during that run.

And of course Butler drew at .625 FTr in the RS (and was a highly-efficient 64.7% TS scorer during the regular season). Dropped down to .421 and 56.5% TS in the playoffs (-0.1% rTS relative to playoff average) but he also led the postseason in MP.

Not an especially strong analog for Toronto this year. You need competitive advantage somewhere. Toronto was pretty average on either end of the floor last year. We're going to need a fairly significant upgrade from one or both of Siakam/Scottie to drive towards title contention. Maybe we see that; if we get the Scottie we saw in that Wizards game semi-regularly, that's going to be very interesting.

Yeah this is what I mean. These outliers can happen come playoff time, but overall I felt like those two teams really weren’t built for shooting. I don’t think we should model ourselves after that (2 hall of famers and a very lucky Miami heat team) but we can certainly have some decent success with a Scottie/Siakam pairing and will have to address shooting come playoff time, among other things.

We havent addressed shooting in like 3-4 years, whats changing in the playoffs lol?