2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[Wildcat]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

I'm exhausted with allegedly moves within moves plays.

[Esq-4]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

Towns is a very good player.

Brunson
Grimes
Hart
Randle
Towns

Why not?

If "all" you are trading is a guy you kind of made expendable in IQ, a back center and a filler, along with picks of varying value, you can't complain about the package. However, without Randle or RJ going in that or another trade, wouldn't there be a huge cap issue in a couple seasons when Brunson and Randle are due for new contracts under the new CBA?

I also don't buy that Randle will adjust to being the number 3. He was the number 1, and is sort of now 1b, for years on a team that had a level of success. He value has been when he's the go to. He also wants to get paid. To be clear, I'm not saying build the team around him or even keep him. However, I'm not so sure he'd fit the Bosh/Love role if he were teamed with two guys clearly ahead of him in the pecking order. But, I guess you never know. To me, makes sense to move Randle for Embid or KAT if the option is there, giving less other assets, and then using other assets to get a complimentary 4.

[Esq-4]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

I'm exhausted with allegedly moves within moves plays.

Could it be as simple as they didn't extend IQ to have trade flexibility, as opposed to a specific player/trade? Wouldn't that poison pill kick in?

[Wildcat]

If "all" you are trading is a guy you kind of made expendable in IQ, a back center and a filler, along with picks of varying value, you can't complain about the package. However, without Randle or RJ going in that or another trade, wouldn't there be a huge cap issue in a couple seasons when Brunson and Randle are due for new contracts under the new CBA?

I also don't buy that Randle will adjust to being the number 3. He was the number 1, and is sort of now 1b, for years on a team that had a level of success. He value has been when he's the go to. He also wants to get paid. To be clear, I'm not saying build the team around him or even keep him. However, I'm not so sure he'd fit the Bosh/Love role if he were teamed with two guys clearly ahead of him in the pecking order. But, I guess you never know. To me, makes sense to move Randle for Embid or KAT if the option is there, giving less other assets, and then using other assets to get a complimentary 4.

Yeah, his contract explodes next year jumping from 36 mil this year to almost 50, and the Knicks will be put in an awkward cap situation at some point. I don't dislike KAT on this team, but I think there's very little real smoke to it. Randle's contract is still very generous for an All-NBA player. I think he would have to be included in a KAT trade, because his next contract is probably going to be in the 35-40 mil range.

[Wildcat]

Could it be as simple as they didn't extend IQ to have trade flexibility, as opposed to a specific player/trade? Wouldn't that poison pill kick in?

Poison pill contract? What, KAT's? I don't think he contract is a poison pill one. He signed for the max extension that just so happens to official start next season. I think it's more likely that IQ's contract extension talks has more to do with year/length than anything else. Pretty sure he wants 100 mil, whilst the Knicks are looking around the 80 mil. If this isn't a negotiation tactic, then it's more likely the Knicks weren't happy with his playoff run.

[thebuzzardman]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

I'm exhausted with allegedly moves within moves plays.

Could it be as simple as they didn't extend IQ to have trade flexibility, as opposed to a specific player/trade? Wouldn't that poison pill kick in?

I think the flexibility thing is part of the equation.

I think the Knicks MIGHT have resigned IQ at a certain amount, and that amount is lower than IQ wanted. The Knicks might have kept the amount lower in part to make him easier to trade AFTER his theoretical signing.

I think the play, which may or may not come back to haunt them, is that they want the flexibility to put either IQ or Grimes into a trade. I think Fournier's money and RJ's money comes into play, as Fournier is probable filler in any trade, since his expiring might be something a team wants, and it's an easy way to get to matching $. A team might want Grimes instead of IQ for an extra year of control, or a team might view IQ as someone they want, and they'd resign him once Fournier's $ come off their books, if they didn't already flip Fournier to a contender for playoff bench help.

They could be eying an Embiid deal, a Towns deal or even D Mitch, and yes, I'm aware of any issues in getting Towns or DMitch, just what the FO might be thinking.

Also, if IQ isn't in a trade but Grimes is, the Knicks might then resign IQ when he's an RFA, since Fournier's salary slot is gone.

[KnixinSix]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
The New York Knicks are willing to offer a package that includes three key players, with Julius Randle, R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier and Mitchell Robinson all available in exchange for Joel Embiid, according to sources. A trio from that group would be paired with two or three first-round picks.

Not sure if posted but Embiid sure looks like the #1 guy we want. Personally I don't think we'd give BOTH RJ and Randle but I could definitely see one of RJ/Randle, Robinson, one of Quickley or Grimes, Fournier and some FRPS

[Wildcat]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
The New York Knicks are willing to offer a package that includes three key players, with Julius Randle, R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier and Mitchell Robinson all available in exchange for Joel Embiid, according to sources. A trio from that group would be paired with two or three first-round picks.

Not sure if posted but Embiid sure looks like the #1 guy we want. Personally I don't think we'd give BOTH RJ and Randle but I could definitely see one of RJ/Randle, Robinson, one of Quickley or Grimes, Fournier and some FRPS

Take it for a grain of salt considering it's coming from a 76ers writer. In most scenarios, the contracts don't work. For instance, if it's RJ and Randle -- which I think is horse **** -- the only other pieces that can be included are the picks. I highly doubt the Knicks will take back any other contracts whilst folking over a number of picks. I rather deal with the Wolves than try to trade with Morey, honestly, unless he gets the axe.

[KnixinSix]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
The New York Knicks are willing to offer a package that includes three key players, with Julius Randle, R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier and Mitchell Robinson all available in exchange for Joel Embiid, according to sources. A trio from that group would be paired with two or three first-round picks.

Not sure if posted but Embiid sure looks like the #1 guy we want. Personally I don't think we'd give BOTH RJ and Randle but I could definitely see one of RJ/Randle, Robinson, one of Quickley or Grimes, Fournier and some FRPS

Take it for a grain of salt considering it's coming from a 76ers writer. In most scenarios, the contracts don't work. For instance, if it's RJ and Randle -- which I think is horse **** -- the only other pieces that can be included are the picks. I highly doubt the Knicks will take back any other contracts whilst folking over a number of picks. I rather deal with the Wolves than try to trade with Morey, honestly, unless he gets the axe.

He may have some of the parameters right though and it being closer to what I mentioned above would make sense.

I don't think we go this route but
RJ and Randle (plus Fournier and others) would make sense if they wanted to unload both Embiid and Tobias Harris. Short of OG, Harris may be the next best Thibodeaux system fit for a forward.


Embiid/I-Hart
Tobias Harris/Sims
Hart/Trade or signing
Grimes/DD
Brunson/DD/McBride

Thats a Thibs dream of defensive players. Weakness would be rebounding but that team would have monstrous potential.

More likely scenario would probably be closer to :

Embiid for RJ, Grimes or Quickley, Fournier, Mitchell Robinson and 4FRPs . I think they will choose the young age and upside of RJ over Randle because without Embiid and Harden they likely go rebuild.

[Wildcat]

He may have some of the parameters right though and it being closer to what I mentioned above would make sense.

I don't think we go this route but
RJ and Randle (plus Fournier and others) would make sense if they wanted to unload both Embiid and Tobias Harris. Short of OG, Harris may be the next best Thibodeaux system fit for a forward.


Embiid/I-Hart
Tobias Harris/Sims
Hart/Trade or signing
Grimes/DD
Brunson/DD/McBride

Thats a Thibs dream of defensive players. Weakness would be rebounding but that team would have monstrous potential.

More likely scenario would probably be closer to :

Embiid for RJ, Grimes or Quickley, Fournier, Mitchell Robinson and 4FRPs . I think they will choose the young age and upside of RJ over Randle because without Embiid and Harden they likely go rebuild.

Virtually makes no sense if you're the 76ers. If the 76ers are trading Joel, they're going into full rebuild. Why would you trade Harris when he's on the last year of his contract. More so, since it is an expiring, it's more likely that they trade him to another team with different assets.

[thebuzzardman]

Keith Pompey
@PompeyOnSixers
The New York Knicks are willing to offer a package that includes three key players, with Julius Randle, R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier and Mitchell Robinson all available in exchange for Joel Embiid, according to sources. A trio from that group would be paired with two or three first-round picks.

Not sure if posted but Embiid sure looks like the #1 guy we want. Personally I don't think we'd give BOTH RJ and Randle but I could definitely see one of RJ/Randle, Robinson, one of Quickley or Grimes, Fournier and some FRPS

Take it for a grain of salt considering it's coming from a 76ers writer. In most scenarios, the contracts don't work. For instance, if it's RJ and Randle -- which I think is horse **** -- the only other pieces that can be included are the picks. I highly doubt the Knicks will take back any other contracts whilst folking over a number of picks. I rather deal with the Wolves than try to trade with Morey, honestly, unless he gets the axe.

He may have some of the parameters right though and it being closer to what I mentioned above would make sense.

I don't think we go this route but
RJ and Randle (plus Fournier and others) would make sense if they wanted to unload both Embiid and Tobias Harris. Short of OG, Harris may be the next best Thibodeaux system fit for a forward.


Embiid/I-Hart
Tobias Harris/Sims
Hart/Trade or signing
Grimes/DD
Brunson/DD/McBride

Thats a Thibs dream of defensive players. Weakness would be rebounding but that team would have monstrous potential.

More likely scenario would probably be closer to :

Embiid for RJ, Grimes or Quickley, Fournier, Mitchell Robinson and 4FRPs . I think they will choose the young age and upside of RJ over Randle because without Embiid and Harden they likely go rebuild.

excellent trade suggestion

[KnixinSix]

He may have some of the parameters right though and it being closer to what I mentioned above would make sense.

I don't think we go this route but
RJ and Randle (plus Fournier and others) would make sense if they wanted to unload both Embiid and Tobias Harris. Short of OG, Harris may be the next best Thibodeaux system fit for a forward.


Embiid/I-Hart
Tobias Harris/Sims
Hart/Trade or signing
Grimes/DD
Brunson/DD/McBride

Thats a Thibs dream of defensive players. Weakness would be rebounding but that team would have monstrous potential.

More likely scenario would probably be closer to :

Embiid for RJ, Grimes or Quickley, Fournier, Mitchell Robinson and 4FRPs . I think they will choose the young age and upside of RJ over Randle because without Embiid and Harden they likely go rebuild.

Virtually makes no sense if you're the 76ers. If the 76ers are trading Joel, they're going into full rebuild. Why would you trade Harris when he's on the last year of his contract. More so, since it is an expiring, it's more likely that they trade him to another team with different assets.

It does make sense as Randle is still young and on a GREAT contract relative to production. They could also spin him to another team as well. Negotiations can go in many directions.

Like I said I think its only one of RJ or Randle (likely RJ due to super young age and upside) but you never know.

[KnixinSix]

I'm exhausted with allegedly moves within moves plays.

Could it be as simple as they didn't extend IQ to have trade flexibility, as opposed to a specific player/trade? Wouldn't that poison pill kick in?

I think the flexibility thing is part of the equation.

I think the Knicks MIGHT have resigned IQ at a certain amount, and that amount is lower than IQ wanted. The Knicks might have kept the amount lower in part to make him easier to trade AFTER his theoretical signing.

I think the play, which may or may not come back to haunt them, is that they want the flexibility to put either IQ or Grimes into a trade. I think Fournier's money and RJ's money comes into play, as Fournier is probable filler in any trade, since his expiring might be something a team wants, and it's an easy way to get to matching $. A team might want Grimes instead of IQ for an extra year of control, or a team might view IQ as someone they want, and they'd resign him once Fournier's $ come off their books, if they didn't already flip Fournier to a contender for playoff bench help.

They could be eying an Embiid deal, a Towns deal or even D Mitch, and yes, I'm aware of any issues in getting Towns or DMitch, just what the FO might be thinking.

Also, if IQ isn't in a trade but Grimes is, the Knicks might then resign IQ when he's an RFA, since Fournier's salary slot is gone.

Lets do the math....


Here are the guys that can play 2 on the team:

Quickly, Grimes, Devincenzo, Hart , Fournier and another potentially in Europe I think

They aren't trading the Nova boys and Quickly and Grimes have greater trade value. Fournier is salary filler but hopefully a bit more than that for someone in a trade as well. At least one of Grimes or Quick and also Fournier are likely gone.

[Bob Ross]

Sixers won't trade Embiid to a team in the same division

[ForzaMetro]

PHI receives: Randle, Robinson, Fournier, 3 FRP via NYK
CLE receives: Barrett, Quickley, 2 FRP via NYK
NYK receives: Embiid, Mitchell, Tucker

Embiid / Hartenstein
Tucker / Hart
Grimes / Hart
Mitchell / DiVincenzo
Brunson / McBride

…and we never have to hear their names in rumors ever again!

[spree2kawhi]

If Quickley is not extended, I feel like we might be closer on something than is being let on.

Unfortunately, the feeling I'm getting is that it's Towns. The roster fits for trades between us make too much sense. They're kinda short on guards and we need another big. Plus, the Quickley extension, or lack thereof.

The basic framework could be something like this + a few picks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yt8euosm

Towns is a very good player.

Brunson
Grimes
Hart
Randle
Towns

Why not?

If "all" you are trading is a guy you kind of made expendable in IQ, a back center and a filler, along with picks of varying value, you can't complain about the package. However, without Randle or RJ going in that or another trade, wouldn't there be a huge cap issue in a couple seasons when Brunson and Randle are due for new contracts under the new CBA?

I also don't buy that Randle will adjust to being the number 3. He was the number 1, and is sort of now 1b, for years on a team that had a level of success. He value has been when he's the go to. He also wants to get paid. To be clear, I'm not saying build the team around him or even keep him. However, I'm not so sure he'd fit the Bosh/Love role if he were teamed with two guys clearly ahead of him in the pecking order. But, I guess you never know. To me, makes sense to move Randle for Embid or KAT if the option is there, giving less other assets, and then using other assets to get a complimentary 4.

Well RJ isn’t in the lineup I proposed, so …

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Sixers won't trade Embiid to a team in the same division

That doesn't really matter to Morey, he's done in conference trades and in division trades as well (Simmons for Harden).

[Jalen Bluntson]

[NewEra]

Watch us at the deadline revisit talks with Chi and land Lavine in exchange for RJ, Quick, Fournier and picks.

[moocow007]

On Embiids value...

From a pure talent standpoint, his value is otherworldly.

Now when you factor in health (bad knees and big men don't mix well), contract size (4 years and nearly $220 million), inability to elevate his team to the level that a guy his talent should (see other perennial MVP players and their teams) and his near Randle like production in the playoffs (ok he hasn't been as bad but he hasn't been that much better either)...his value starts to change.