Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[76ciology]

Going to have to disagree there chief. So you basically think that Chet will be an MVP?

Jokic should have been MVP last season

Ben Simmons won an all-nba team award. Derrick Rose won MVP. Rudy Gobert won DPOY. Awards are meaningless

Can Chet be a better player than Embiid? there is a good chance for that. Im not talking about probability and in the future, not definite and in the present.

What makes you say this? I like Holmgren a lot. I think he's going to do some big things in this league, but dude...He hasn't shown me anything that remotely suggests he'll be a better player than prime Embiid. I fully expected Holmgren to dominate in college and he really did not. In fact, there were times when Drew Timme was the best player on that Gonzaga team. I'll personally have to see what Holmgren does this season before determining whether or not he's got the potential to be in the same class as Embiid.

With that being said, Holmgren is the ideal type of player to at the very least start a conversation about a trade. OKC to me would make the most sense in a hypothetical situation. Chet would have to be an absolute, must-have player to get talks going. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Joel Embiid, but I'm not here to try to convince people of anything.

At age 21, Biid was not as good as Holmgren right now in their game and health. Holmgren also benefits from knowledge of Embiid’s career. Back during Embiid’s time, bigs doesnt try to play like wings, which gives Embiid an advantage. Now every big tries to play like wings. Think about it.. if its 2015, both Chet and Wemby would try to play like Gobert.

Both Embiid and Chet tries to be like Kevin Durant or Nowitzki, between the two Chet is closer to the model, if not now then at age 21.

And again, im not saying Chet will be better. Im just saying he has a possibility to be better. Im also not convincing anyone but try to make everybody have an open to possibilities.

Think about it.. at one point KAT was projected to be better than Embiid. But look at how it turned out. There are a lot of factors that will affect future outcomes, but with starting point at age 21 I’d give Chet the edge

[Jailblazers7]

The Embiid at 21 vs Chet at 21 is an oversimplification tho. Part of what made Embiid such a good prospect was his combo of raw talent & size. He didn’t have a ton of playing experience but he had massive growth potential & was a fast learner.

You say Chet is better at 21 but I’d be very surprised if he had the same ceiling at peak.

[76ciology]

The Embiid at 21 vs Chet at 21 is an oversimplification tho. Part of what made Embiid such a good prospect was his combo of raw talent & size. He didn’t have a ton of playing experience but he had massive growth potential & was a fast learner.

You say Chet is better at 21 but I’d be very surprised if he had the same ceiling at peak.

Chet also is a fast learner. He has learned more than embiid at age 21, that is why he’s more skilled. There are also more canvass to paint with Chet given his combination of size, athleticism and skillset.

Im not a fan of Chet. But im just being open minded.

[GutUNC]

Chet has a good chance to be better than Embiid. Even Chet’s college numbers is better than Embiid.

Chet also does not have as much health concerns. And given the data you have on Biid, you’d better off rolling the dice with Chet.

Going to have to disagree there chief. So you basically think that Chet will be an MVP?

Jokic should have been MVP last season. Playoffs made everyone realize that.

Ben Simmons won an all-nba team award. Derrick Rose won MVP. Rudy Gobert won DPOY. Awards are meaningless

Can Chet be a better player than Embiid? there is a good chance for that.

How? Compare Embiid and Chet at age 21. Chet is not just more advanced on offense and impactful on defense. Chet also has better collegiate numbers and less questions on health.

Im not talking about probability and in the future, not definite and in the present. Nobody can see the future, there will be lots of factor involved like attitude towards development, freak injuries and roles.

If you're projecting someone who hasn't played NBA basketball to be better then a guy who has been 1st or 2nd in MVP voting for 3 years then no, you are most definitely not talking about probability.

[GutUNC]

The Embiid at 21 vs Chet at 21 is an oversimplification tho. Part of what made Embiid such a good prospect was his combo of raw talent & size. He didn’t have a ton of playing experience but he had massive growth potential & was a fast learner.

You say Chet is better at 21 but I’d be very surprised if he had the same ceiling at peak.

Chet also is a fast learner. He has learned more than embiid at age 21, that is why he’s more skilled. There are also more canvass to paint with Chet given his combination of size, athleticism and skillset.

Im not a fan of Chet. But im just being open minded.

Which of his zero minutes do you think most exemplified what a quick learner he is?

[Jailblazers7]

The Embiid at 21 vs Chet at 21 is an oversimplification tho. Part of what made Embiid such a good prospect was his combo of raw talent & size. He didn’t have a ton of playing experience but he had massive growth potential & was a fast learner.

You say Chet is better at 21 but I’d be very surprised if he had the same ceiling at peak.

Chet also is a fast learner. He has learned more than embiid at age 21, that is why he’s more skilled. There are also more canvass to paint with Chet given his combination of size, athleticism and skillset.

Im not a fan of Chet. But im just being open minded.

I guess I’m saying Embiid had more to learn which gave him more upside at the same age. I just think Embiid’s physical traits give him the ability to totally dominate a game in a way Chet never will.

[Mik317]

We don’t know how good Biid at 21 would have been because he was hurt

And if you are going to give Chet the benefit of the doubt then why not Theoretical Biid lol

[eyeatoma]

Really dying on this hill eh 76?

[Mik317]

The Phillies sixering it up will only make the probably bad start piss people off more lol

[76ciology]

Really dying on this hill eh 76?

Just keeping you guys entertained rather than just going back and forth about this Harden situation

To tell you honestly, im better than Chet and Embiid when i was 21. And look where am i now.

[Arsenal]

Hoping Soften never plays for us again. Just sit him out until the trade.

[Lou_23]

I will explode with anger if we trade Joel Embiid. It's simply not going to happen. We're talking about a generational talent at the center position. I think some of you take that for granted. We're not giving him away nor are we just trading just because "it's time do it." The only way we trade him is if he demands it. The only way we were going to trade Charles Barkley or Allen Iverson was when they asked out. I know Barkley definitely did and I'm willing to bet Iverson did so behind closed doors. Barkley, Iverson, and Embiid. That's three franchise players in a thirty-eight-year span.

With Joel Embiid and four scrubs on the floor, this team is a playoff team. With Joel Embiid and the current supporting cast (minus fata$$ Harden) this is a fifty-win roster. I'm sure Morey and company will at the very least critique any offer thrown their way for Embiid, and obviously we will also, but at the end of the day, this is not something that should go beyond just general discussion.

Exactly!

If you are a 50 win team and have the MVP, you dont TRADE him unless he wants out.

You can also do it if you see a dinasty team like the Bulls in the 90's or the Warriors 2015-2019.

[Bum Adebayo]

I will explode with anger if we trade Joel Embiid. It's simply not going to happen. We're talking about a generational talent at the center position. I think some of you take that for granted. We're not giving him away nor are we just trading just because "it's time do it." The only way we trade him is if he demands it. The only way we were going to trade Charles Barkley or Allen Iverson was when they asked out. I know Barkley definitely did and I'm willing to bet Iverson did so behind closed doors. Barkley, Iverson, and Embiid. That's three franchise players in a thirty-eight-year span.

With Joel Embiid and four scrubs on the floor, this team is a playoff team. With Joel Embiid and the current supporting cast (minus fata$$ Harden) this is a fifty-win roster. I'm sure Morey and company will at the very least critique any offer thrown their way for Embiid, and obviously we will also, but at the end of the day, this is not something that should go beyond just general discussion.

We should know by now that talent means jack **** if the brain and desire is not there. Simmons was also an inmensely talented player, but he just didn't care at all other than collecting paychecks and refusing to improve. Embiid is very talented but has that South African choking gene, along with disappointing basketball IQ. Yeah it's amazing how smooth and skilled he is at what he does, but with proper defense in a playoffs setting, he just gets exposed, he ain't a generational player. Jimmy Butler is a better basketball player than Embiid where it matters, yet he has like 1/10 of the talent.

Also, point is proven when you keep talking about "fifty-win" and "playoff team", you are basically admitting we have no chance of truly competing for a championship.

[eyeatoma]

I will explode with anger if we trade Joel Embiid. It's simply not going to happen. We're talking about a generational talent at the center position. I think some of you take that for granted. We're not giving him away nor are we just trading just because "it's time do it." The only way we trade him is if he demands it. The only way we were going to trade Charles Barkley or Allen Iverson was when they asked out. I know Barkley definitely did and I'm willing to bet Iverson did so behind closed doors. Barkley, Iverson, and Embiid. That's three franchise players in a thirty-eight-year span.

With Joel Embiid and four scrubs on the floor, this team is a playoff team. With Joel Embiid and the current supporting cast (minus fata$$ Harden) this is a fifty-win roster. I'm sure Morey and company will at the very least critique any offer thrown their way for Embiid, and obviously we will also, but at the end of the day, this is not something that should go beyond just general discussion.

We should know by now that talent means jack **** if the brain and desire is not there. Simmons was also an inmensely talented player, but he just didn't care at all other than collecting paychecks and refusing to improve. Embiid is very talented but has that South African choking gene, along with disappointing basketball IQ. Yeah it's amazing how smooth and skilled he is at what he does, but with proper defense in a playoffs setting, he just gets exposed, he ain't a generational player. Jimmy Butler is a better basketball player than Embiid where it matters, yet he has like 1/10 of the talent.

Also, point is proven when you keep talking about "fifty-win" and "playoff team", you are basically admitting we have no chance of truly competing for a championship.

South African choking gene? Care to elaborate and take your foot out of your mouth?

[Stanford]

Embiid is very talented but has that South African choking gene, along with disappointing basketball IQ.

Shut up, chop.

[Negrodamus]

Isn't Cameroon central Africa?

[kane0801]

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[76ciology]

Harden’s back with the team

[Negrodamus]

Oh no Morey, what you doing bb?

[mjkvol]

It's an interesting proposal, but I think we'd essentially become an even worse version of the treadmill team that we are right now. At least right now, we're in the conversation and a yearly basis for who could potentially come out of the east. If we do that trade, we're going to be a 5-6th seed every season until we have enough. I think if we sell Embiid, it's going to go to the highest bidder of assets. New York offering multiple first round picks (if true) is also something to think about. At the end of the day, I think they realistically have the best chance to trade for Embiid. I don't hate this trade as far as what we get back, but it doesn't do anything either way for US and it may create more work for whoever our GM (Morey) is later on down the line.

The only player on the Knicks I have the slightest interest in as the centerpiece of an Embiid trade is Brunson, and that's obviously not happening. Any other trade turns us, as you alluded, into a Iggy years type of play-in treadmill team again.

I don't move Embiid for picks only, there has to be a legit star player included that you can build around. Unrealistic? Probably, but NBA history is littered with stars traded for spare parts that led to years in the mediocrity wilderness.