Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[HumbleRen]

scottie needs to be the help guy, im not putting him on other teams guards. We should be finding matchups for him where he can roam, only when needed put him on the other teams skill guy barring its a speedy guard

Raptors won't be going away from Scottie defending guards anytime soon. The main adjustment during the 2nd half of the Wizards was putting Scottie on Tyus Jones.

Nick Nurse last year had Scottie playing this dumb over aggressive defense so he should be way better guarding smaller guys this time around not playing like that.

I think Scottie prefers playing that dumb defence as well, Scottie has been defending like that since he was in grade 9.

I hope Darko reigns it in and makes him more of an offball defender.

[OakleyDokely]

Give me 18/7/5 Scott Barns

first half numbers.

[Yeezus_]

Scottie doesn't even need to be an elite man to man defender, which I also don't think he'll ever be. Though, he can be an elite help defender with his size and length like Giannis. He's been showing signs of this in pre-season, hopefully it carries on in the season.

And if he develops into a #1 option offensively you don't wanna have them guarding the best players anyway. Kawhi / LBJ / Butler don't guard the #1 option outside of like key playoff games as a last result when their teammates fail

To be fair to Kawhi, he's probably a top 5 defender of all time in his prime. He was elite on ball and off ball early in his career.

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie doesn't even need to be an elite man to man defender, which I also don't think he'll ever be. Though, he can be an elite help defender with his size and length like Giannis. He's been showing signs of this in pre-season, hopefully it carries on in the season.

And if he develops into a #1 option offensively you don't wanna have them guarding the best players anyway. Kawhi / LBJ / Butler don't guard the #1 option outside of like key playoff games as a last result when their teammates fail

To be fair to Kawhi, he's probably a top 5 defender of all time in his prime. He was elite on ball and off ball early in his career.

Kawhi also did not reach Scottie levels of offensive usage until his 4th season in 2014-15, a year after they won against the Heatles.

[Tha Cynic]

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We need a cage match between Barnes and OG. Barnes must have had his hair flatter during these measurements.

[Godaddycurse]

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Siakam is 20 lb heavier than thad?

[Tha Cynic]

Barnes has been expending more energy on the defensive end than the offensive end so far in his career. No one his size travelled as much as he did last season on the court in terms of distance traveled. He does what guards typically do which most likely saps a ton of his energy for a guy as big as him. I believe the only big close to him was Sabonis and Sabonis has years of experience and isn't as lumbering.

I'm curious to see if his defensive activity can be reduced a significant amount to allow him to use more of it on offense.

[YogurtProducer]

Barnes has been expending more energy on the defensive end than the offensive end so far in his career. No one his size travelled as much as he did last season on the court in terms of distance traveled. He does what guards typically do which most likely saps a ton of his energy for a guy as big as him. I believe the only big close to him was Sabonis and Sabonis has years of experience and isn't as lumbering.

I'm curious to see if his defensive activity can be reduced a significant amount to allow him to use more of it on offense.

You think Sabonis is not as lumbering? I think the fact Sabonis traveled anywhere near as much distance as Scottie is absolutely insane for a guy that big

[Tha Cynic]

Barnes has been expending more energy on the defensive end than the offensive end so far in his career. No one his size travelled as much as he did last season on the court in terms of distance traveled. He does what guards typically do which most likely saps a ton of his energy for a guy as big as him. I believe the only big close to him was Sabonis and Sabonis has years of experience and isn't as lumbering.

I'm curious to see if his defensive activity can be reduced a significant amount to allow him to use more of it on offense.

You think Sabonis is not as lumbering? I think the fact Sabonis traveled anywhere near as much distance as Scottie is absolutely insane for a guy that big

He's definitely very big himself. I guess the fact that he's a few inches taller makes him look less massive, though on second thought he'd definitely more massive. But yeah what Sabonis does is insane. He is basically the entire Kings' offense. In terms of defensive versatility though no one as big as Barnes is guarding guards and other positions while playing in a very intensive defensive scheme. That takes a huge toll on your energy.

Siakam is also higher than both though less heavy. He's also in amazing condition.

Not only was Nurse running these guys into the ground, he was doing it with guys who don't traditionally move as much as guards. It sets them up for major injuries.

[PoundTown]

Scottie doesn't even need to be an elite man to man defender, which I also don't think he'll ever be. Though, he can be an elite help defender with his size and length like Giannis. He's been showing signs of this in pre-season, hopefully it carries on in the season.

And if he develops into a #1 option offensively you don't wanna have them guarding the best players anyway. Kawhi / LBJ / Butler don't guard the #1 option outside of like key playoff games as a last result when their teammates fail

To be fair to Kawhi, he's probably a top 5 defender of all time in his prime. He was elite on ball and off ball early in his career.

Pre-injury kawhi is in the running for greatest wing defender I’ve ever seen. I was born in 1990 so I’m not going to say of all time, but the only dudes in my lifetime that compared in my opinion was ron artest. Shout out to tony allen as well, but due to size he’s not as versatile, but he stuck to guards better really well and Kobe mentioned him as the hardest guy he had to go against.

That last season and half before the injury with the spurs, kawhi would drop an efficient 30 and then shut down or dramatically slow down lebron at the same time. At that point in his career I was telling people because of that, he was the most impactful player in the game, so you can imagine how stoked I was when the raps traded for him.

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[Zeno]

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Siakam is 20 lb heavier than thad?

Pascal is 4 pounds heavier than Scottie and the same height? No way that’s right.

[lolwut]

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Siakam is 20 lb heavier than thad?

Pascal is 4 pounds heavier than Scottie and the same height? No way that’s right.

I have a hard time believing that Siakam is 245. That would be a lean 245. I just can't believe he's only 15 lb lighter than Poeltl, who is absolutely massive.

[tdotrep2]

I think they type of length the wolves have (gobert, towns), it might give us problems because we like to play inside.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Barnes has been expending more energy on the defensive end than the offensive end so far in his career. No one his size travelled as much as he did last season on the court in terms of distance traveled. He does what guards typically do which most likely saps a ton of his energy for a guy as big as him. I believe the only big close to him was Sabonis and Sabonis has years of experience and isn't as lumbering.

I'm curious to see if his defensive activity can be reduced a significant amount to allow him to use more of it on offense.

You think Sabonis is not as lumbering? I think the fact Sabonis traveled anywhere near as much distance as Scottie is absolutely insane for a guy that big

Sabonis, Wagner, Siakam, Randle, Mobley all big guys that run about as much as Scottie did last year. It is a lot for them, but the obvious point is that guys that are closer to the basket have more ground to cover. Everyone's miles/g decreased after the Poeltl trade. This year should be an extension into a more conservative approach, leaning into Scottie's ability to close gaps with his length rather than trust his feet and help.

[WuTang_CMB]

those stats seem wack

[Spida888]

For comparison, these were the official Raptors Roster details from last year:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/y7g6hz/raptors_official_20222023_roster_with_player/

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Siakam is 20 lb heavier than thad?

Pascal is 4 pounds heavier than Scottie and the same height? No way that’s right.

There is zero chance Siakam weighs as much as Scottie, and even less of a chance that Nowell is 5'8.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Siakam is out of shape right now. He's doing the vet thing. Scottie is in peak condition.

[canada_dry]

Give me 18/7/5 Scott Barns

If he plays that well despite not being 100% compared to how he played last year not 100% I'll be happy with that, asong as that defense continues to show strides

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