[Wiretap] Quickley wanted $25 million per year

[Harry Garris]

I would say no but that’s with my inherent bias against small guards who I know are going to have issues being effective in a postseason rotation.

[cgf]

It's low for a starter and there are teams, including the Spurs and Magic who will have the cap space, for whom he could start.

Magic don't need him.
Look around the league and who needs a PG that has yet to be an every game starter but has potential. Off the top of my head:
Philly
Miami
Minnesota
NO
Chicago
Phoenix
Toronto
Clippers
Spurs
I am sure there are others. Then which of those with a need also have the $25mm Quickley wants.
Toronto (depending on Siakam)
San Antonio (if you see Quickley as better than Graham and Jones)

As a knicks fan, Detroit, Orlando, and San Antonio are the three teams with the cap space to afford him that most worry me about tempting IQ away. He could start on any of these teams and they could be good enough to sell him on being the piece that leads those young cores to the playoffs.

[MrBigShot]

He's worth it. 15/4/3 efficiently last year, plays defense, improved since coming into the league and still has room to keep improving.

[Hoppy1]

He's certainly starter-quality overall, and going forward $25M/yr is about 4th starter money.

The big catch is that he's too small to start next to Brunson. So he doesn't have a long-term starter role going forward on the Knicks. With New York he's limited to 24 mpg type role backing up Brunson and playing a few minutes at SG (the Knicks also have several other SG options). That's more of a $15-18M/yr role going forward even with the rising cap/tax lines.

It wouldn't be surprising to see him dealt to a team that wants him as a starter going forward. Or else he'll sign a starting PG contract next summer with someone.

Knicks send: Quickley, Fournier
Raptors send: Anunoby, Achiuwa

If the Raptors see Quickley as a starter:
Quickly/GTJ/Barnes/Siakam/Poeltl
Reasoning is Toronto sures up an area of need (PG) and sends out a position that has multiple options (SF - Barnes/Daniels/Dick/Porter). At some point Raptors are going to have to determine who their wings are going to be.

[cgf]

he was electric in their first game, but disappeared in their playoffs last year. Postseason is where players get paid (like Brunson).

With that said, $25 million a year is less than what Tyler Herro gets paid and I would rather have Quickley than Herro right now. It's what Cam Johnson got extended for as well.

Yes, $25 million is actually a fair deal for someone like Quickley, basically a starting SG next to Brunson.

And, to be honest, I have no clue why the Knicks DIDN'T extend Quickley considering Fournier's money comes off the books after this season.

TBF to the kid he was banged up last postseason...missing 3 games, the most of any rotation regular...Quickley, Grimes, and Randle, our 3 rotation regulars with the worst TS%s last postaseason were also the only 3 knicks who missed games to injuries during that run.

I know it's the playoffs and everyone's banged up, so there's no excuses, but if guys are so banged up they can't play in the playoffs that seems more likely to affect their performance than injuries guys can play through & I feel uncomfortable criticizing guys for getting hurt

[Hoppy1]

It's low for a starter and there are teams, including the Spurs and Magic who will have the cap space, for whom he could start.

Magic don't need him.
Look around the league and who needs a PG that has yet to be an every game starter but has potential. Off the top of my head:
Philly
Miami
Minnesota
NO
Chicago
Phoenix
Toronto
Clippers
Spurs
I am sure there are others. Then which of those with a need also have the $25mm Quickley wants.
Toronto (depending on Siakam)
San Antonio (if you see Quickley as better than Graham and Jones)

As a knicks fan, Detroit, Orlando, and San Antonio are the three teams with the cap space to afford him that most worry me about tempting IQ away. He could start on any of these teams and they could be good enough to sell him on being the piece that leads those young cores to the playoffs.

Of those three teams, the only one with a need is SA. I don't think Detroit views Quickley as better than Cunningham. And as someone else said, Magic have 3 options one being drafted this year.

It is going to be hard for the Knicks to get what they view as an equal trade - trading a guy they think potentially worth $15 - 20mm knowing they can only return $5mm.

[GSWFan1994]

Crazy as it may sound, he could get even more than that by next off-season.

From who? Not a lot of teams have the space AND have an opening at PG.

I mean, cap space can be opened by unloading contracts to a 3rd team, right?

As for who could be interested, I guess it could be lots of teams, there are always teams looking to upgrade a certain position/role, even if the move itself may seem questionable.

[TGW]

The Wizards will probably make him an offer too. He was on their radar last season.

[GunnerWRX]

$25M is 17.6% of 24-25 cap.

MLE will be $13M 24-25.

Not sure if he’s worth 17% cap but people should think about salary in terms of % of cap.

[cgf]

Magic don't need him.
Look around the league and who needs a PG that has yet to be an every game starter but has potential. Off the top of my head:
Philly
Miami
Minnesota
NO
Chicago
Phoenix
Toronto
Clippers
Spurs
I am sure there are others. Then which of those with a need also have the $25mm Quickley wants.
Toronto (depending on Siakam)
San Antonio (if you see Quickley as better than Graham and Jones)

As a knicks fan, Detroit, Orlando, and San Antonio are the three teams with the cap space to afford him that most worry me about tempting IQ away. He could start on any of these teams and they could be good enough to sell him on being the piece that leads those young cores to the playoffs.

Of those three teams, the only one with a need is SA. I don't think Detroit views Quickley as better than Cunningham. And as someone else said, Magic have 3 options one being drafted this year.

It is going to be hard for the Knicks to get what they view as an equal trade - trading a guy they think potentially worth $15 - 20mm knowing they can only return $5mm.

Quickley would be a great fit next to Cade and a big upgrade over Morris / Ivey / Hayes right now. Ivey's development could change that in the future, but as things stand now IQ would easily start for them. So if Ivey doesn't take a big step this year and Detroit wants to make the playoffs next year, that could be a very tempting destination for him.

And if Ivey did break out down the line, IQ defends the 2 just as well as the 1, while Cade & Ausar have the frames to defend the 3/4 when they've filled out letting all 4 of them start around Duren when Bogey's washed. Meaning there would be little risk of a Randle-Toppin situation developing, where the success of one blocks the development of the other.


Similarly Orlando has multiple options but none of them would keep Quickley from starting right now and it's not like they have a raw super-prospect who is likely to blow by IQ in the near future. So it would come down to how this season goes for all of young guards in question...but it's no stretch to not expect any of them to improve more than IQ improves, by enough to close that gap.


EDIT:
To your last point, we have Fournier's expiring 18M to play with without impacting our rotation. So that shouldn't be a problem.

[Profound23]

25 mil per will be considered a discount for him in two years

[Chinook]

Cross the Spurs off the list. They actually don't have a lot of cap now that they've signed their extensions, and they have a lot of avenues to get PGs beyond overpaying meh players from other teams.

[Bob Ross]

I voted no but changed my mind to yes. Dammit

[Hoppy1]

Crazy as it may sound, he could get even more than that by next off-season.

From who? Not a lot of teams have the space AND have an opening at PG.

I mean, cap space can be opened by unloading contracts to a 3rd team, right?

As for who could be interested, I guess it could be lots of teams, there are always teams looking to upgrade a certain position/role, even if the move itself may seem questionable.

Yes, potentially every team "could" have cap space. Next is to determine who sees Quickley as an upgrade over a team's current PGs.

While Quickley has a ton of potential - as the Knicks have to sell him in such a manner - he really has not been a regular starter or played starter minutes on a consistent basis.
I can name a handful of teams (maybe 5) where I think Quickley could be as good or better than their current starter. It still has to be proven he can lead a team.

[Saints14]

Seems like a deal that would be more worth it to a team like the Spurs than to the Knicks

[Darth Celtic]

For sure no, but JB isn't worth 60m a year. The cba reset and TV deals will do this. If Max was 36 m and 25 is half of max, not supermax. Then really the new 25m is like 18m a year ago. And I would still say it's 3m rich, but not out of line.

[DrCoach]

Yes

[JJ_PR]

I voted no but changed my mind to yes. Dammit

You can change your vote now.

[ForeverTFC]

It's low for a starter and there are teams, including the Spurs and Magic who will have the cap space, for whom he could start.

Magic, maybe. I don't see team's at the stage of the Spurs meeting their cap requirements by signing Quickley type RFAs to the long term deals needed to get the opposing team to not match. For example, I'm pretty sure the Knicks would match 2/$50 and would SA really want to lock him up at 4/$100?

Rockets and Spurs this year showed the playbook: take back contracts for 2nds OR sign FAs to short term, over-valued deals. Ironically, Spurs could have done what you're suggesting here with Reeves but chose to pass. And the Rockets never tried.

[Bobbymcgee]

Bruce Brown got $22 million/$23 million (team option) from the Pacers.

I would say start Quickley at $20 million on a long term (4 years) deal or $25 million on a short term (2 years) deal.