Jaylen Brown Thread

[JaMarco]

I can’t take this thread. Tatum is best player. Brown is No. 2 and a high level shooter and scorers why we gotta argue this is nuts.

After that, KP is a fringe all-star type while Derrick White and Jru Holiday are about as good as you can be without being all stars.

The team is loaded 1-5. Just enjoy. Brown is all nba. He is better an more valuable than any player on the roster not Tatum.


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Did Jimmy shoot a lot last game? No? Does anybody really think Brown is a better player?

He might be, Butler has looked kinda old to start the season.

[BK_2020]

You clearly said White is better than Brown and I couldn’t disagree more. The market ($300 million contract) and the NBA coaches/players/fans (all-star/all-NBA) agree with me. Your opinion is just not sane. Sorry.

Yes I think White is better than Jaylen in pretty much everything other than scoring. You saying that White tops out at 14ppg means less than nothing.

White is better at everything than Brown but scoring. But scoring is name of the game. Lol. One of these skills is more valuable than all the others combined


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Team scoring is the name of the game, not individual scoring. If a player's contributions help the team score more points, that's more valuable than someone who gets more points for himself but leads to fewer points for the team. Statpadders are a dime a dozen, and Jaylen is easily replaceable.

[Curmudgeon]

He can't be traded until next year, so let's hope he starts to make better decisions. At minimum he can eat minutes and score a ton of points against bad teams.

[Scarletfire81]

Imagine if JB just had the game Lillard just had? At least JB can play D. Yeah he’s overpaid but still young and will be easy to trade if necessary. I watch Giannis make terrible turnovers all the time, we just need to relax. He’s a good to great BB player, that makes boneheaded plays at times.

[BK_2020]

Imagine if JB just had the game Lillard just had? At least JB can play D. Yeah he’s overpaid but still young and will be easy to trade if necessary. I watch Giannis make terrible turnovers all the time, we just need to relax. He’s a good to great BB player, that makes boneheaded plays at times.

I don't have to imagine. Jaylen literally had multiple worse games except in the ECF.

[flintsky21]

I think JB's All-NBA selection was a fluke and that his new contract is a massive overpay. Having said that, I am setting relatively low expectations for JB this year as we have other capable guys now that can play second fiddle to Tatum. If he can improve from his TO (2.9) and 3PT% (33%) numbers from last year, I'd be happy with that.

[Parasite]

If I’m starting a team I’m taking Tatum and KP over Jaylen, no question. And even at his age, I would consider taking Jrue as well. I think White is an all-around better player than Jaylen but Jaylen is levels above White as a pure scorer. Yeah idk. I think a legit argument can be made that Jaylen is indeed our 4th best player. Hell, if White plays consistently all year anything resembling tonight you could argue he’s our 5th best player. I’ve never been a Jaylen fan. Too many holes in his game. Especially for a supermax player. But we have him now so we need him to be the best version of Jaylen this year. It’s championship or bust.

Only problem with that is most gms are taking brown.


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You have no idea if that’s true or not. At their respective salaries I think you are wrong.

[Scarletfire81]

Imagine if JB just had the game Lillard just had? At least JB can play D. Yeah he’s overpaid but still young and will be easy to trade if necessary. I watch Giannis make terrible turnovers all the time, we just need to relax. He’s a good to great BB player, that makes boneheaded plays at times.

I don't have to imagine. Jaylen literally had multiple worse games except in the ECF.

Dame Lillard -235 in the playoffs.

Jaylen Brown is +115 in the playoffs

Yes he had a couple bad games in the ECF, not ready to trade him because of it.

[sam_I_am]

Yes I think White is better than Jaylen in pretty much everything other than scoring. You saying that White tops out at 14ppg means less than nothing.

White is better at everything than Brown but scoring. But scoring is name of the game. Lol. One of these skills is more valuable than all the others combined


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Team scoring is the name of the game, not individual scoring. If a player's contributions help the team score more points, that's more valuable than someone who gets more points for himself but leads to fewer points for the team. Statpadders are a dime a dozen, and Jaylen is easily replaceable.

So let me get this correct, 5 ECF appearances and a finals appearance in a 7 year career by age 27 is evidence of ‘stat padding’ for Brown while 5 first round eliminations, one 4 game sweep in WCF, and never getting to finals in 11 years is “Dame” time? There is a reason Brad has convinced ownership to go all in on Tatum and Brown and this is it.

You can’t see the forest for the trees.

[BK_2020]

If we replace Jaylen Brown with Siakam or Ingram we most likely have equal or greater team success in the same span. The Celtics doing well is not entirely or even primarily due to Jaylen Brown's contributions. In fact, the numbers show that Jaylen Brown has usually been a millstone around the team's neck that the team succeeds in spite of. There's the ample on/off data and the Celtics have 67% winning percentage in games Jaylen did not play in.

[sam_I_am]

If we replace Jaylen Brown with Siakam or Ingram we most likely have equal or greater team success in the same span. The Celtics doing well is not entirely or even primarily due to Jaylen Brown's contributions. In fact, the numbers show that Jaylen Brown has usually been a millstone around the team's neck that the team succeeds in spite of. There's the ample on/off data and the Celtics have 67% winning percentage in games Jaylen did not play in.

Hmmm…..I get 25%. 1-4 in playoff games without him. Or 0% win win rate in first 2 round series without him vs 11-1 in first 2 rounds series with him.

[KamikazeK]

If we replace Jaylen Brown with Siakam or Ingram we most likely have equal or greater team success in the same span. The Celtics doing well is not entirely or even primarily due to Jaylen Brown's contributions. In fact, the numbers show that Jaylen Brown has usually been a millstone around the team's neck that the team succeeds in spite of. There's the ample on/off data and the Celtics have 67% winning percentage in games Jaylen did not play in.

Hmmm…..I get 25%. 1-4 in playoff games without him. Or 0% win win rate in first 2 round series without him vs 11-1 in first 2 rounds series with him.

To be fair, the year Brown was out we kinda had an awful team around the Jays anyway, but you're right. I'd much rather keep Brown and roll with him than ship him out for depth or whatever. Unless there's a legit star on offer, trying to get rid of JB is just being a hater.

[BK_2020]

We are probably not getting a star back. Jaylen's main draw was that he was on a cheap contract. A top 30ish player making the supermax has little surplus value.

[jirrit]

Offcourse JB is what he is but that could be said about everybody in the team. We have to roll with them offcourse, but we should also be able to discuss stuff about them, sometimes negative, sometimes positive, that's what this forum's all about...

[Bad-Thoma]

Offcourse JB is what he is but that could be said about everybody in the team. We have to roll with them offcourse, but we should also be able to discuss stuff about them, sometimes negative, sometimes positive, that's what this forum's all about...

It's absolutely what this forum is all about but some people, and I'm not naming names (BK2020) have an irrational hatred for some players who I won't name either (Jaylen) and have at times derailed other threads with said irrational hatred. This thread, being started by an OP who has never been rational about anything, seems like the perfect place for it though.

To be clear I'm not saying I think Jaylen is above criticism or anything, he sometimes seems to have a complete lack of peripheral vision but to say he's our 4th best player is a joke. He's an all-star level player in his prime that has a couple warts and due to timing and circumstance has a contract that hurts to look at. In a couple years that contract won't look as bad, especially if Brad is using a finals Trophy as a paperweight on top of it.

[Homerclease]

If we replace Jaylen Brown with Siakam or Ingram we most likely have equal or greater team success in the same span. The Celtics doing well is not entirely or even primarily due to Jaylen Brown's contributions. In fact, the numbers show that Jaylen Brown has usually been a millstone around the team's neck that the team succeeds in spite of. There's the ample on/off data and the Celtics have 67% winning percentage in games Jaylen did not play in.

I remember the last time Brown and Siakam met in the playoffs

[celtxman]

We are probably not getting a star back. Jaylen's main draw was that he was on a cheap contract. A top 30ish player making the supermax has little surplus value.

I don't know anyone , Celtics fan or not that thinks he deserves that contract. But looking at it in a vacuum we forget what Tatum says about it. He was emphatic he wanted Brown back. And now is anyone worried about Tatum signing anymore?
Brown scored 27 points a game last year on almost 50% shooting. He was the Celtics best player in the 2022 Finals.
If I thought the Celtics could keep Tatum and traded Brown for 85 cents on the dollar I would have considered it. But it doesn't work that way and the Celtics made the right decision signing Brown.

[sam_I_am]

We are probably not getting a star back. Jaylen's main draw was that he was on a cheap contract. A top 30ish player making the supermax has little surplus value.

Yeah…..I bet that’s what the Wizards are thinking right now.

[JaMarco]

We are probably not getting a star back. Jaylen's main draw was that he was on a cheap contract. A top 30ish player making the supermax has little surplus value.

I don't know anyone , Celtics fan or not that thinks he deserves that contract. But looking at it in a vacuum we forget what Tatum says about it. He was emphatic he wanted Brown back. And now is anyone worried about Tatum signing anymore?
Brown scored 27 points a game last year on almost 50% shooting. He was the Celtics best player in the 2022 Finals.
If I thought the Celtics could keep Tatum and traded Brown for 85 cents on the dollar I would have considered it. But it doesn't work that way and the Celtics made the right decision signing Brown.

Brown deserves the contract with today's CBA.

[brackdan70]

Wizards making him look good though.