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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#121 » by Stanford » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:27 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:OG is a great fit, but can't be the final piece IMO. I don't think his addition puts us on Boston or Milwaukee's level.


This is where I am. We're two pieces away, so the move we make can't be to trade 4 or 5 picks for one okay guy (OG) as I've seen suggested, and then sign that guy to a max deal. There has to be room for more.
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Post#122 » by the_process » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:28 pm

FireMorey wrote:Michael Scotto says the Sixers are interested in Lavine and Anunoby, says Nurse loves Anunoby. Said they're also interested in Donovan Mitchell and are monitoring his situation in Cleveland, and are interested in Bojan.

Said they are not believed to be interested in Derozan or Siakam.

Says they are going to be very aggressive in trading for a star level player either by this deadline or in summer 2024.


Maxey negates the need for LaVine.

And they need a bigger guard who can handle and defend with Maxey. That guy is not Melton, either.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#123 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:31 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:OG is a great fit, but can't be the final piece IMO. I don't think his addition puts us on Boston or Milwaukee's level.


I think OG would make us better than Milwaukee. Right now, I honestly don’t see a gap between us & them other than their stars having a better playoff track record.

Boston would still be better than us but we’d have a chance with OG. I’m still not a believer in Tatum as the engine of a playoff offense because of his playmaking limitations. If OG can make his life difficult, then we’d have a good shot.

It will all come down to Embiid’s level of play like it always does.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#124 » by Stanford » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:34 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:It will all come down to Embiid’s level of play like it always does.


True. Good point. OG could definitely put us above Boston and Milwaukee if Embiid plays excellent. But that's a hard thing to rely on.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#125 » by FireMorey » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:35 pm

I think Donovan Mitchell is the guy they're eyeing. Can talk about redundancy, but you live with that if you have two premier scorers on the perimeter. And he's the shot creator, ball handler, score at will guy they've always needed in the 4th quarter and thought Harden would be, but wasn't.

I could see Morey waiting out that situation until the summer instead of blowing all their picks on a Lavine at the deadline.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#126 » by mjkvol » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:43 pm

FireMorey wrote:Michael Scotto says the Sixers are interested in Lavine and Anunoby, says Nurse loves Anunoby. Said they're also interested in Donovan Mitchell and are monitoring his situation in Cleveland, and are interested in Bojan.

Said they are not believed to be interested in Derozan or Siakam.

Says they are going to be very aggressive in trading for a star level player either by this deadline or in summer 2024.


I'll never understand the appeal of Lavine coming here. He's the classic bad team chucker who offers little else, and besides, we already have our scoring 2-guard, who is continuing to improve and will likely end up being the better player. If the "star level player" isn't a 2-way wing or a PG, then we're still going to be in the same boat.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#127 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:44 pm

Cap for 24-25 is $142,000,000

Philly has 3 players under contract for next year for a total of $63,157,301 (Embiid, Paul Reed, Jaden Springer)

Philly also has a $13,031,760 cap hold for Maxey which they will need to sign him to a new deal

Assuming OG opts out of his deal, he will also have a cap hold for 150% of his 23-24 salary, or $27,964,285

That leaves Philly with $37,846,654 in cap space ($142,000,000 - $104,153,346)

Then you have to add 7 empty roster holds, because Philly would only have five roster spots accounted for (Embiid, Maxey, OG, Reed, Springer). That subtracts another $8.2 million, which leaves you with $29,656,654 in cap space


We need atleast $45M to sign Siakam
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#128 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:46 pm

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FireMorey wrote:Michael Scotto says the Sixers are interested in Lavine and Anunoby, says Nurse loves Anunoby. Said they're also interested in Donovan Mitchell and are monitoring his situation in Cleveland, and are interested in Bojan.

Said they are not believed to be interested in Derozan or Siakam.

Says they are going to be very aggressive in trading for a star level player either by this deadline or in summer 2024.


I'll never understand the appeal of Lavine coming here. He's the classic bad team chucker who offers little else, and besides, we already have our scoring 2-guard, who is continuing to improve and will likely end up being the better player. If the "star level player" isn't a 2-way wing or a PG, then we're still going to be in the same boat.


Maybe 3 way where we ship Lavine to Cavs (security) then we get Mitchell
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#129 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:46 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:OG is a great fit, but can't be the final piece IMO. I don't think his addition puts us on Boston or Milwaukee's level.


This is where I am. We're two pieces away, so the move we make can't be to trade 4 or 5 picks for one okay guy (OG) as I've seen suggested, and then sign that guy to a max deal. There has to be room for more.


I'll even go a step further and say it's not worth trading any picks for anyone who will become an unrestricted free agent this summer.

Mitchell, I understand. OG and Siakam not so much. LaVine shouldn't even be in the discussion.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#130 » by mjkvol » Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:49 pm

76ciology wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Michael Scotto says the Sixers are interested in Lavine and Anunoby, says Nurse loves Anunoby. Said they're also interested in Donovan Mitchell and are monitoring his situation in Cleveland, and are interested in Bojan.

Said they are not believed to be interested in Derozan or Siakam.

Says they are going to be very aggressive in trading for a star level player either by this deadline or in summer 2024.


I'll never understand the appeal of Lavine coming here. He's the classic bad team chucker who offers little else, and besides, we already have our scoring 2-guard, who is continuing to improve and will likely end up being the better player. If the "star level player" isn't a 2-way wing or a PG, then we're still going to be in the same boat.


Maybe 3 way where we ship Lavine to Cavs (security) then we get Mitchell


I could live with that. It gives us the PG we need, and he's a closer as well. Not sure about the fit unless Embiid begins to take that step away from 'MVP candidate' and toward the DPOY type player we've been hoping to see.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#131 » by Arsenal » Thu Nov 2, 2023 4:40 pm

Maxey + Mitchell backcourt will never work. You can't have two defensive zeros on the perimeter without compromising your entire defense.

We need a tough defender beside Maxey. Right now that's Melton, but hopefully in the future it will be Springer. Otherwise need to target someone like Brogdon.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#132 » by mjkvol » Thu Nov 2, 2023 4:56 pm

Arsenal wrote:Maxey + Mitchell backcourt will never work. You can't have two defensive zeros on the perimeter without compromising your entire defense.

We need a tough defender beside Maxey. Right now that's Melton, but hopefully in the future it will be Springer. Otherwise need to target someone like Brogdon.


Brogdon is the guy I want. Perfect fit, only signed through 2024-5, and he can mentor Springer, who I really hope isn't included in any crazy 'star hunting' packages.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#133 » by Embiid P » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:01 pm

Of all the names being floated around, OG is probably the best fit defensively next to Maxey. However, when dealing with Masai, he'll ask for a ton for him. I'm not sure our current assets would even be enough.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#134 » by Skates » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:10 pm

If Embiid and Maxey are both superstars, with Embiid proven and Maxey possibly getting there, I prefer to spread our assets out into two next tier down players that really fit with Jo and Tyrese. By the next level down I mean stars who can take over a game now and again, but in between are starring in their roles. The best example of this is Denver which revolves around Jokic and Murry with Porter Jr and Gordon being on that next level, plus a few guys another level down from those two. I would prefer a deep and talented team more than a big three where you are scraping to fill out the roster. I think this makes more sense under the current CBA and the push for players to limit rest. Generally at least one of those second tier guys will be overpaid, which might work for now since even a maxed out Maxey is going to be on the post rookie max, not a ten year vet max.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#135 » by Arsenal » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:29 pm

Embiid P wrote:Of all the names being floated around, OG is probably the best fit defensively next to Maxey. However, when dealing with Masai, he'll ask for a ton for him. I'm not sure our current assets would even be enough.


I see OG as more of a wing or forward. If he ends up at SG for us next to Maxey then we need additional ballhandling from the forwards. Like a younger Batum.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#136 » by SixthStreet » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:32 pm

76ciology wrote:
Cap for 24-25 is $142,000,000

Philly has 3 players under contract for next year for a total of $63,157,301 (Embiid, Paul Reed, Jaden Springer)

Philly also has a $13,031,760 cap hold for Maxey which they will need to sign him to a new deal

Assuming OG opts out of his deal, he will also have a cap hold for 150% of his 23-24 salary, or $27,964,285

That leaves Philly with $37,846,654 in cap space ($142,000,000 - $104,153,346)

Then you have to add 7 empty roster holds, because Philly would only have five roster spots accounted for (Embiid, Maxey, OG, Reed, Springer). That subtracts another $8.2 million, which leaves you with $29,656,654 in cap space


We need atleast $45M to sign Siakam


This is interesting. You add Anonoby, sign a wing for $30m, max Maxey, and still have Bird rights on Tobias and Melton if you want to blow out the tax. So the same team as today and add a $30m wing (via trade or signing) and Anonoby.

That has the makings of a deep, championship level team.
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Post#137 » by Tony Franciosa » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:42 pm

That's why Morey was saying yesterday that he wants to use his assets early to manage the cap. Having Bird rights is going to help them fill out the roster if they can flip these picks/expiring contracts for a stud this season.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#138 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:50 pm

SixthStreet wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Cap for 24-25 is $142,000,000

Philly has 3 players under contract for next year for a total of $63,157,301 (Embiid, Paul Reed, Jaden Springer)

Philly also has a $13,031,760 cap hold for Maxey which they will need to sign him to a new deal

Assuming OG opts out of his deal, he will also have a cap hold for 150% of his 23-24 salary, or $27,964,285

That leaves Philly with $37,846,654 in cap space ($142,000,000 - $104,153,346)

Then you have to add 7 empty roster holds, because Philly would only have five roster spots accounted for (Embiid, Maxey, OG, Reed, Springer). That subtracts another $8.2 million, which leaves you with $29,656,654 in cap space


We need atleast $45M to sign Siakam


This is interesting. You add Anonoby, sign a wing for $30m, max Maxey, and still have Bird rights on Tobias and Melton if you want to blow out the tax. So the same team as today and add a $30m wing (via trade or signing) and Anonoby.

That has the makings of a deep, championship level team.


Sounds like to get two big names we need to trade for them. The least we can do is do nothing and just signing Siakam to a max to super max contract in the offseason.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#139 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:54 pm

Tony Franciosa wrote:That's why Morey was saying yesterday that he wants to use his assets early to manage the cap. Having Bird rights is going to help them fill out the roster if they can flip these picks/expiring contracts for a stud this season.


Yeah, i think cap is just last option. Theres really no big named UFA except for Siakam or Klay.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#140 » by SixthStreet » Thu Nov 2, 2023 5:55 pm

I am not in favor of it yet either, but both Reed and Springer's contracts could be moved for value and expirings if required, leaving only Embiid's contract as money beyond this year.

That gets you basically to Siakam's max. So this team minus Reed/Springer plus OG/Siakam if we can resign both Harris and Melton for something reasonable.

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