76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[Negrodamus]

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I know someone posted it here, but here it is in tweet form. Also... one of these names is not like the others, lol.

[mjkvol]

If Embiid and Maxey are both superstars, with Embiid proven and Maxey possibly getting there, I prefer to spread our assets out into two next tier down players that really fit with Jo and Tyrese. By the next level down I mean stars who can take over a game now and again, but in between are starring in their roles. The best example of this is Denver which revolves around Jokic and Murry with Porter Jr and Gordon being on that next level, plus a few guys another level down from those two. I would prefer a deep and talented team more than a big three where you are scraping to fill out the roster. I think this makes more sense under the current CBA and the push for players to limit rest. Generally at least one of those second tier guys will be overpaid, which might work for now since even a maxed out Maxey is going to be on the post rookie max, not a ten year vet max.

This x 1000. I've been hoping since this all started to try to replicate the Nuggets model with a deep and versatile team that can win in different ways instead of a top heavy one dependent on a couple of players. Teams like Denver will always be tougher to beat in playoff series because it's harder to prepare for them because they have answers if certain options are slowed or shut down.

I would have thought after seeing the success of the Bucks and Nuggets that the 3-star, top-heavy approach was a thing of the past.

[Jailblazers7]

I wonder if Masai learned his lesson from the FVV situation with their trade demands. You’d imagine he’d be a little more reluctant to lose another player for nothing.

[mademan]

I wonder if Masai learned his lesson from the FVV situation with their trade demands. You’d imagine he’d be a little more reluctant to lose another player for nothing.

eh. FVV was overpaid, and Raps were given a chance to match and let him walk. Dont think there's a reasonable overpayment the Sixers can make that the Raps wouldnt match. More likely, the Raps exceed anything anybody else is willing to pay to overcompensate for losing FVV (and it doesnt put them in the tax).

Thats if they dont end up trading one of them, and that depends on how they play. And after watching them for 5 games, i have no idea what to make of them.

[Jailblazers7]

I wonder if Masai learned his lesson from the FVV situation with their trade demands. You’d imagine he’d be a little more reluctant to lose another player for nothing.

eh. FVV was overpaid, and Raps were given a chance to match and let him walk. Dont think there's a reasonable overpayment the Sixers can make that the Raps wouldnt match. More likely, the Raps exceed anything anybody else is willing to pay to overcompensate for losing FVV (and it doesnt put them in the tax).

Thats if they dont end up trading one of them, and that depends on how they play. And after watching them for 5 games, i have no idea what to make of them.

True, I’m just betting that they would’ve dealt FVV before he hit the market with the benefit of hindsight. Unless they are 100% committed to maxing Siakim & OG, I’d hope they learned their lesson & legitimately pursue a trade before the deadline.

[mademan]

I wonder if Masai learned his lesson from the FVV situation with their trade demands. You’d imagine he’d be a little more reluctant to lose another player for nothing.

eh. FVV was overpaid, and Raps were given a chance to match and let him walk. Dont think there's a reasonable overpayment the Sixers can make that the Raps wouldnt match. More likely, the Raps exceed anything anybody else is willing to pay to overcompensate for losing FVV (and it doesnt put them in the tax).

Thats if they dont end up trading one of them, and that depends on how they play. And after watching them for 5 games, i have no idea what to make of them.

True, I’m just betting that they would’ve dealt FVV before he hit the market with the benefit of hindsight. Unless they are 100% committed to maxing Siakim & OG, I’d hope they learned their lesson & legitimately pursue a trade before the deadline.

I think you'd find widespread support from Raps fans to deal one of them. It just wouldnt be for picks 5 years from now that are legit mystery boxes. If rumours are to be believed, they were deep in talks with ATL where Bufkin was the hold up. ATL has almost no picks but has multiple guards and young guys the Raps would like...thats the kind of move the Raps would be looking for.

[Sportfan73]

Morris/springer/2026 Philly unprotected/2028 LAC unprojected/2030 swap for OG


Then in the summer
29 unprotected plus LaC swap rights
2031 unprotected
2028 swap

[Lou_23]

I wonder if Masai learned his lesson from the FVV situation with their trade demands. You’d imagine he’d be a little more reluctant to lose another player for nothing.

Yeah, and he didnt get a lot for Lowry, he didnt want to trade him in February and only got Achiuwa in a S&T in the summer.

Cap space teams are going to overpay Anunoby in July, trade him for the best offer, learn the lesson or you are a bad GM.

[davesilver]

Love the trade more and more each passing day. The Clippers picks are the most valuable asset in the league imo. Excellent cap management and contributing guys with the role players we acquired.

On the two-pronged vs three-pronged star strategy, I think NN's scheme thrives more on a two-star system with movement. The multi-star strategy hasn't worked in the past with Joel and the two-star strategy has had more success in the last few years.

Is it really injuries that plague Joel's playoff performances historically? Is he a guy that can provide synergism around his teammates? I think as he gets older, he will continue to evolve for the playoffs. Can Maxey provide the facilitating and scoring abilities needed to allow the proper movement around Joel + pieces? If Joel can provide 20% more ball movement in NN's scheme, and Maxey and improve his facilitation (and scoring) by 20%, is that enough? The first few games look promising.

I don't think a guy who needs the ball will solve our problems, but rather B+/A- complimentary pieces around Jo and Maxey, and more importantly the continued growth of our two stars. With that being said, I think a player that provides elite wing defense and strong 3PT%, and a player who can provide secondary facilitation with strong perimeter defense, are the top targets.

Target A - Maxey - Melton/Roco/Batum/Oubre - Target B - Embiid

Someone might've mentioned in another thread, but I'd look at one-stop shopping options like:
1. Brogdon + Grant (awful contract) for Harris + Morris + 1FRP
2. Smart + Clarke (eh can't shoot from 3) for Harris + 2SRP + 1FRP
3. Fultz + Isaac (scared of health) for Harris + 2SRP + 1FRP
4. OG + Schroeder for Morris, Batum, Furk, 2FRP + 2SRP
5. Siakam + Schroeder for Harris + Morris + 2FRP + 2SRP
5. Clarkson + Lauri for Harris + Reed + 1FRP + 1 Swap + 2SRP
6. Kuzma + Tyus for Harris + 2SRP

In terms of risk/return, the Toronto trades offer highest return, but also the highest risk. The portland trade also carries huge risk given Grant's contract and Brogdon's health. The Fultz + Isaac trade is honestly my favorite, as we'll still hold on to another max slot with all the expiring contracts (Fultz is on an expiring), however the shooting is probably not enough. Lauri does seem ideal, although I'm not sure he defends at the proper level.

If I had to choose, I'd probably trade for Siakam + Schroeder, then do everything to sign OG this summer. Elite defense with familiarity in a NN system.

Maxey - Melton - Batum - Siakam - Embiid

to

Maxey - Melton - OG - Siakam - Embiid

[Arsenal]

Schroeder + Maxey starting backcourt is a defensive disaster. Maxey needs a big guard who can defend next to him.

[davesilver]

Schroeder + Maxey starting backcourt is a defensive disaster. Maxey needs a big guard who can defend next to him.

Can have Melton stay next to him, and have Siakam help with facilitation.

[youngcrev]

OG is bound to be overpaid this summer, but he's still my favorite target among guys that have been talked about.
If there's a deal to be made there, I'd look to make a follow up for another creator and abandon the free agency plan.

If you could somehow come away with OG and DeRozan or Brogdon or Hield, you'd have a really good, well balanced team, with the bird rights to be able bring back everyone.

[Jailblazers7]

Is OG bound to be overpaid tho? He’ll be 27 years old & has never really elevated his offensive game. I’ve heard so much hype about how valuable he is but I’m not really seeing it on court & nobody has ponied up for him in a trade.

I feel like he will get $30M-$35M, which is a lot but similar to what Jerami Grant & Dejounte Murray got.

[youngcrev]

Is OG bound to be overpaid tho? He’ll be 27 years old & has never really elevated his offensive game. I’ve heard so much hype about how valuable he is but I’m not really seeing it on court & nobody has ponied up for him in a trade.

I feel like he will get $30M-$35M, which is a lot but similar to what Jerami Grant & Dejounte Murray got.

I'm thinking more like 35-40M, which is a lot for a guy that's a 4th option on offense.

[76ciology]

The thing that scares me about OG and Siakam, from what I’ve read, is this two guys want a bigger role. And they’re not happy about Raps putting Scottie Barnes at the top of the hierarchy.

Siakam needs to make the all NBA team to get supermax.

OG needs to make the allstar team to get paid, other wise he’s just a 15ppg 3&D player. 30-35M per year max, instead of a $40m per year max.

Im not sure OG and Siakam will buy into the idea of them being 3rd and 4th option on our team this season.

Seems like they want a big role to pad their stats this year for a big payday in 2024 offseason.

There’s no place where they can be traded to get the numbers they want except with the Raps and maybe the Bulls.

[76ciology]

What happens after we use our draft picks in a trade and use the cap space in the offseason?

Spoiler:

[tweet] https://x.com/brickmuse/status/1704183367586173198?s=46&t=bJcUtOCSwzTqqyZgysWpbQ[/tweet]

[Embiid P]

The thing that scares me about OG and Siakam, from what I’ve read, is this two guys want a bigger role. And they’re not happy about Raps putting Scottie Barnes at the top of the hierarchy.

Siakam needs to make the all NBA team to get supermax.

OG needs to make the allstar team to get paid, other wise he’s just a 15ppg 3&D player. 30-35M per year max, instead of a $40m per year max.

Im not sure OG and Siakam will buy into the idea of them being 3rd and 4th option on our team this season.

Seems like they want a big role to pad their stats this year for a big payday in 2024 offseason.

There’s no place where they can be traded to get the numbers they want except with the Raps and maybe the Bulls.

That's a good point that I hadn't thought of. Plus both already have a ring so they'd have less incentive to want to be here.

[76ciology]

The thing that scares me about OG and Siakam, from what I’ve read, is this two guys want a bigger role. And they’re not happy about Raps putting Scottie Barnes at the top of the hierarchy.

Siakam needs to make the all NBA team to get supermax.

OG needs to make the allstar team to get paid, other wise he’s just a 15ppg 3&D player. 30-35M per year max, instead of a $40m per year max.

Im not sure OG and Siakam will buy into the idea of them being 3rd and 4th option on our team this season.

Seems like they want a big role to pad their stats this year for a big payday in 2024 offseason.

There’s no place where they can be traded to get the numbers they want except with the Raps and maybe the Bulls.

That's a good point that I hadn't thought of. Plus both already have a ring so they'd have less incentive to want to be here.

It also got me wondering if it’s Barnes is the one they’re looking to shop instead. Or did they mixed up their timeline in their program?

Because Raps could be running their old hierarchy. Force feed Siakam and OG, showcase them.. they’ll play well because of their potential payday.. then trade them before the deadline.

Then once they’re out, then that’s the time you shift into a Scottie Barnes centric team.

[Wilfried]

What happens after we use our draft picks in a trade and use the cap space in the offseason?

Spoiler:

[tweet] https://x.com/brickmuse/status/1704183367586173198?s=46&t=bJcUtOCSwzTqqyZgysWpbQ[/tweet]

We raise a banner!

[Jhawk03]

Count me out on every player being thrown around in these threads. I'll entertain ideas on OG, but at the end of the day, Mann would've been just as nice, but since that didn't happen I don't want OG for a stickier price tag. No to Lavine, no to Donovan Mitchell, no to DeRozan, and a special HELL NO to Siakim. Any team that does business with Morey will try to bend him over after this Harden trade anyways, so it's not worth it imo. Keep what we have now and take advantage of our leverage of picks/cap space once other teams get desperate towards the deadline and things should work out fine.