2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[8516knicks]

He's not playing as if he's out of shape or injured though. We have 6 games of him walking up an down he court. Not getting back. Not rotating. Not even TRYING. It doesn't look at all like he's tired or injured. It looks like absolute lack of effort.

The roster is another thing but, it doesn't excuse what we are seeing. Look at he clips man. That's not conditioning issues.

It's hard to know. The muscles that were unused while he kept his ankle imobilized are certainly weaker and he may still have pain. He may have less use of his ankle now, and they may feel he needs to strengthen it more before severely testing it.

OR, of course, there's a possiblity that Randle doesn't give a **** about playing defense, his team, his teammates, the fans, and just doesn't ever want to exert himself and is perfectly fine with being a well paid a$$hole.

Since he's played a lot better at times in the past, it's either one or the other.

If he's that injured, than bench him. Oh, wait. I just don't see the effects of surgery 5 months ago and conditioning issues when I look at him playing. It looks like he's mailing it in. There's no limping. No signs of exhaustion. Just him lolly gagging around the court like he's in his own world.

I can't believe he doesn't care. Why mail it in? Ask for a trade if you don't like what we're doing. It just looks like he doesn't want to be out there.

I suspect its jealousy - going from #1 to #2 behind Brunson to #3 behind RJ also and now arguably a sort of #4 (as JB, JH and DD make a super Nova (and CAA???) trio. It's like his daddy Thibs adopted a bunch of kids and he's feeling left out.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's hard to know. The muscles that were unused while he kept his ankle imobilized are certainly weaker and he may still have pain. He may have less use of his ankle now, and they may feel he needs to strengthen it more before severely testing it.

OR, of course, there's a possiblity that Randle doesn't give a **** about playing defense, his team, his teammates, the fans, and just doesn't ever want to exert himself and is perfectly fine with being a well paid a$$hole.

Since he's played a lot better at times in the past, it's either one or the other.

If he's that injured, than bench him. Oh, wait. I just don't see the effects of surgery 5 months ago and conditioning issues when I look at him playing. It looks like he's mailing it in. There's no limping. No signs of exhaustion. Just him lolly gagging around the court like he's in his own world.

I can't believe he doesn't care. Why mail it in? Ask for a trade if you don't like what we're doing. It just looks like he doesn't want to be out there.

I suspect its jealousy - going from #1 to #2 behind Brunson to #3 behind RJ also and now arguably a sort of #4 (as JB, JH and DD make a super Nova (and CAA???) trio. It's like his daddy Thibs adopted a bunch of kids and he's feeling left out.

I would really hope not. I want to believe it's his recovery but, it just doesn't look like it at all. He does look slower but, not hurt. Just going through the motions and walking up and down the court. I'm not exaggerating here. It's all over social media. Clips of just lazy, lolly gagging play mixed in with arguing with the refs. Chucking shots that aren't close. If he's that hurt? The team, MUST sign a JAG off the heap and bench Julius. Period.

[8516knicks]

If he's that injured, than bench him. Oh, wait. I just don't see the effects of surgery 5 months ago and conditioning issues when I look at him playing. It looks like he's mailing it in. There's no limping. No signs of exhaustion. Just him lolly gagging around the court like he's in his own world.

I can't believe he doesn't care. Why mail it in? Ask for a trade if you don't like what we're doing. It just looks like he doesn't want to be out there.

I suspect its jealousy - going from #1 to #2 behind Brunson to #3 behind RJ also and now arguably a sort of #4 (as JB, JH and DD make a super Nova (and CAA???) trio. It's like his daddy Thibs adopted a bunch of kids and he's feeling left out.

I would really hope not. I want to believe it's his recovery but, it just doesn't look like it at all. He does look slower but, not hurt. Just going through the motions and walking up and down the court. I'm not exaggerating here. It's all over social media. Clips of just lazy, lolly gagging play mixed in with arguing with the refs. Chucking shots that aren't close. If he's that hurt? The team, MUST sign a JAG off the heap and bench Julius. Period.

Going serious and a bit deeper - this might be beyond Julius's conscious control - (just listened to esteemed Prof from Stanford, Sapolsky on his new book DETERMINED = lack of free will). It's kind of tracked JR all his time in the pros?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I suspect its jealousy - going from #1 to #2 behind Brunson to #3 behind RJ also and now arguably a sort of #4 (as JB, JH and DD make a super Nova (and CAA???) trio. It's like his daddy Thibs adopted a bunch of kids and he's feeling left out.

I would really hope not. I want to believe it's his recovery but, it just doesn't look like it at all. He does look slower but, not hurt. Just going through the motions and walking up and down the court. I'm not exaggerating here. It's all over social media. Clips of just lazy, lolly gagging play mixed in with arguing with the refs. Chucking shots that aren't close. If he's that hurt? The team, MUST sign a JAG off the heap and bench Julius. Period.

Going serious and a bit deeper - this might be beyond Julius's conscious control - (just listened to esteemed Prof from Stanford, Sapolsky on his new book DETERMINED = lack of free will). It's kind of tracked JR all his time in the pros?

Whatever it is, he needs to have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up.

[TKKnicks1]

Siakam will be an unrestricted FA this off season. Much better fit than Randle. Trade Randle at the deadline, sign Siakam in the off season.

[8516knicks]

Siakam will be an unrestricted FA this off season. Much better fit than Randle. Trade Randle at the deadline, sign Siakam in the off season.

Sure, but still takes someone to want Randle.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Siakam will be an unrestricted FA this off season. Much better fit than Randle. Trade Randle at the deadline, sign Siakam in the off season.

Sure, but still takes someone to want Randle.

Yeah....and more cap space would need to be cleared too. So. Not happening.

[HarthorneWingo]

I floated the possibility of the ankle too. I think a lot of us felt that way since we wanted to acquire a real backup at PF this past offseason.

I remember trying to play ball on a sprained ankle. It doesn’t take much to throw off your game both offensively and defensively.

He's not playing as if he's out of shape or injured though. We have 6 games of him walking up an down he court. Not getting back. Not rotating. Not even TRYING. It doesn't look at all like he's tired or injured. It looks like absolute lack of effort.

The roster is another thing but, it doesn't excuse what we are seeing. Look at he clips man. That's not conditioning issues.

Randle looks fit. He was posting the usual off-season workout videos to show he was coming into camp in shape. People were even complimenting his leaner physique. That's not it.

The reason he's not trying hard is

He's a Bum

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[HarthorneWingo]

Do you think that a different head coach would get more out of this particular roster than Thibs does? In other words, is this a roster constructed to fit Thibs's coaching philosophy?

The roster isn't constructed too well, and I believe if the Knicks had a different coach, they won't have the roster as its constructed.

But yes. I think with this squad, a coach with a better methodology on offense would do better. Very little ball movement because the system favors ISO plays. Fine during crunch time, but painful and boring beforehand. JB should be running more pick and rolls, or pops. Grimes -- who I think it s great cutter -- should be more involved in backdoors, cuts, screens, etc.

Agreed. Posted my last post before I scrolled up and read your post. You can see I agree this has Thibs fingerprints all over it.

Regardless, he still does not optimize what he's got. We're losing games we could have won so it's not a lost cause yet. But he will lose the team if he doesn't adjust and enforce some standards based on merit and effort given.

Thibs is scared of Randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think his defense has always been B-. He has never been great at close-outs on the perimeter. He is generally good at staying in front of his man and contesting in the post. The problem is when he is late on that rotation and his guy hits 3 3's in a row... it looks bad. Compounded when he himself is missing the same open 3's. His shot is clearly off which is an indicator of muscle memory being off and legs being more fatigued.

Also, Randle's been coming to a slow boil over not getting calls from the referees. It's been simmering over the last few games and it started early in the Bucks game, if I recall correctly. He can't seem to be able to ignore them. He seems unable to forget about it and keep his focus on where he has to be on the court.

I don't know. Hasn't the NY media posed this question to Knicks' management? Thibs? Julius?

He and Jalen are both not getting calls this year. Refs are on a mission this year.

Well, he's getting those charging calls. But at this rate, there'll be nothing left of Brunson at the end of the season. He will have disintegrated.

[8516knicks]

Also, Randle's been coming to a slow boil over not getting calls from the referees. It's been simmering over the last few games and it started early in the Bucks game, if I recall correctly. He can't seem to be able to ignore them. He seems unable to forget about it and keep his focus on where he has to be on the court.

I don't know. Hasn't the NY media posed this question to Knicks' management? Thibs? Julius?

He and Jalen are both not getting calls this year. Refs are on a mission this year.

Well, he's getting those charging calls. But at this rate, there'll be nothing left of Brunson at the end of the season. He will have disintegrated.

Then we'll be LOST IN RANDLELAND!

[TB]

Looks like the focus is figuring out what to do with Randle, but any interesting in a Grimes for Kuminga trade with Warriors?

Seems like Knicks have cover at SG if they lost Grimes, and there should be minutes at forward for Kuminga to get a real chance to show his scoring ability. For the Warriors, they just can't wait for Kuminga to develop and would prefer a 3 and D player that is less error prone.

[nykballa2k4]

I floated the possibility of the ankle too. I think a lot of us felt that way since we wanted to acquire a real backup at PF this past offseason.

I remember trying to play ball on a sprained ankle. It doesn’t take much to throw off your game both offensively and defensively.

He's not playing as if he's out of shape or injured though. We have 6 games of him walking up an down he court. Not getting back. Not rotating. Not even TRYING. It doesn't look at all like he's tired or injured. It looks like absolute lack of effort.

The roster is another thing but, it doesn't excuse what we are seeing. Look at he clips man. That's not conditioning issues.

Randle looks fit. He was posting the usual off-season workout videos to show he was coming into camp in shape. People were even complimenting his leaner physique. That's not it.

The reason he's not trying hard is

He's a Bum

I mean we all know there is a difference between in shape and in game shape. Jokic looks like a janitor but he is conditioned to Denver and game speeds.

No one should expect Charles Oakley level defense, but I think he will pick it up as his offense improves and he invests more in the game.

[Woodsanity]

I don't know how we can get rid of Randle....

[Tripod]

Raps fan coming in peace.

Any interest in a end of rotation type deal since you could use a F like:

Boucher and Young for Fournier and Sims.

Raps could use a real C to back up YAK since Koloko and Achiuwa are out and Fournier adds possible shooting they could always use off the bench when others shoot like garbage.

But essentially it's a Boucher for Sims deal for better fits on the team while Fournier and Young won't play much but their salaries make he deal work. Boucher has another year on his deal so is not expiring.

[8516knicks]

Raps fan coming in peace.

Any interest in a end of rotation type deal since you could use a F like:

Boucher and Young for Fournier and Sims.

Raps could use a real C to back up YAK since Koloko and Achiuwa are out and Fournier adds possible shooting they could always use off the bench when others shoot like garbage.

But essentially it's a Boucher for Sims deal for better fits on the team while Fournier and Young won't play much but their salaries make he deal work. Boucher has another year on his deal so is not expiring.

Fine with me.

[WargamesX]

The Knicks might not even trade Fournier since his salary cap space would be used to pay Quickley long term.

[thebuzzardman]

Raps fan coming in peace.

Any interest in a end of rotation type deal since you could use a F like:

Boucher and Young for Fournier and Sims.

Raps could use a real C to back up YAK since Koloko and Achiuwa are out and Fournier adds possible shooting they could always use off the bench when others shoot like garbage.

But essentially it's a Boucher for Sims deal for better fits on the team while Fournier and Young won't play much but their salaries make he deal work. Boucher has another year on his deal so is not expiring.

Fine with me.

For Brock Aller's sake I'll have to insist you include a 2nd round pick

[dakomish23]

Send Sims to LAC but for what

[8516knicks]

Send Sims to LAC but for what

See buzz's post just above...