2023-2024 Official Around the NBA Discussion Thread

[Bensational]

Rockets might be good... maybe our win over them is more impressive than the Lakers win lol

Wow, just saw they are drubbing the Lakers.

And that’s with Fred having a cold night and mostly facilitating. I’m very willing to eat crow on Fred if that Rockets team becomes an underdog darling.

[thelead]

Rockets might be good... maybe our win over them is more impressive than the Lakers win lol

Wow, just saw they are drubbing the Lakers.

And that’s with Fred having a cold night and mostly facilitating. I’m very willing to eat crow on Fred if that Rockets team becomes an underdog darling.

I'll be giving WAY more credit to Ime than FVV. But there is no doubt that replacing KPJ (who is already out of the league) with FVV helped too.. but then again almost any NBA PG would have been an upgrade

[pepe1991]

It took him some time and some teams, but Nesmith found his spot.

[ogmagicfan]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

[pepe1991]

Final exposure of Marcus Smart has been delightful.

Celtics without "leader" - 5-2

Memphis with "DPOY playmaker" 1-7.

44% FG
29% for 3
73% FTs

5 APG- 4 TO

It's almost like... you need to have some offensive talent to be guard in nba , especially if you don't have 2 -3 superstars behind you to cover for your inability to play offense?

[drsd]

Final exposure of Marcus Smart has been delightful.

Celtics without "leader" - 5-2

Memphis with "DPOY playmaker" 1-7.

44% FG
29% for 3
73% FTs

5 APG- 4 TO

It's almost like... you need to have some offensive talent to be guard in nba , especially if you don't have 2 -3 superstars behind you to cover for your inability to play offense?

We are talking about you Mr. Suggs.

[thelead]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

That wasn't the debate. The question was if the 29 year old was going to be worth his 'market value' contract to a team full of 19-22 year olds... and at over $40 mil per, the answer is unequivocally no.

[pepe1991]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

That wasn't the debate. The question was if the 29 year old was going to be worth his 'market value' contract to a team full of 19-22 year olds... and at over $40 mil per, the answer is unequivocally no.

Again (and again, and again some) Houston didn't pay him "market value", Houston payed him and Brooks that sum of money because NBA new rules forced them into spending money.

Vleet has 2 years contract. Entire 3rd year in non-guaranteed- team's option.

Same could be questioned about Magic. Are Harris and Ingles worth cumulative $24 000 000 ? Ofc not. But like Houston, team *had* to pay to reach 90% cap.

[CarraT]

FVV would have been perfect fit. Provides our two biggest needs, spacing and guard playmaking, elite A/TO ratio, without being bad on defense. And its not like we will get a better player with our capspace anyway. But yea, FO is too lazy and scared of changes.

[Skybox]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

Can attack his contract (I don’t…other posters addressed why), but FVV is better at everything that matters on a bball court. Just a simple truth. He’s an All-Star level player…just a completely different tier of player on both ends. Fultz wins physical measurables & highlight dunks, FVV wins basketball.

[drsd]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

1) He is also shooting 36.4 with his 2ball on a bad 46.6% eFG.
2) He is making 40,000,000.00 this year to be a sub 15-PER player.

That is: Houston is paying a player 40 million dollars this year who is not a league average starting PG. I am ok with him not being in Magic blue.

[pepe1991]

Jordan Poole was cought watching porn in lockerroom. So...he also can't score outside court.

[Skybox]

Jordan Poole was cought watching porn in lockerroom. So...he also can't score outside court.

Uh oh...my former trade crush is killing me...I thought he'd be leading the league in PPG.

[pepe1991]

Jordan Poole was cought watching porn in lockerroom. So...he also can't score outside court.

Uh oh...my former trade crush is killing me...I thought he'd be leading the league in PPG.

Wanted Herro over him.

But i also didn't like Maxey that much comming out of college ,and now guy looks like sure bet for allstar

[Skybox]

Jordan Poole was cought watching porn in lockerroom. So...he also can't score outside court.

Uh oh...my former trade crush is killing me...I thought he'd be leading the league in PPG.

Wanted Herro over him.

But i also didn't like Maxey that much comming out of college ,and now guy looks like sure bet for allstar

Me too on Herro, but Poole was SO available...I think Herro was too if Riley wasn't trying to hardball POR. I would have given two firsts for Herro for them to get Dame

[Knightro]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

1) He is also shooting 36.4 with his 2ball on a bad 46.6% eFG.
2) He is making 40,000,000.00 this year to be a sub 15-PER player.

That is: Houston is paying a player 40 million dollars this year who is not a league average starting PG. I am ok with him not being in Magic blue.

We gotta graduate past the PER thing

[Knightro]

Ausar Thompson has been fascinating so far.

He's averaging 11.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.8 BPG and 1.3 SPG. He's getting to the line a reasonable amount and 81.8% from the line too.

That's really fun stat stuffing!

But he's shooting 40% from the field and just 4-24 (16.7%) from 3PT

[Skin]

It took him some time and some teams, but Nesmith found his spot.

Is that doing anything to change your mind about your belief that all good players show their skills and potential as rookies when they get playing time?

[eyriq]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

1) He is also shooting 36.4 with his 2ball on a bad 46.6% eFG.
2) He is making 40,000,000.00 this year to be a sub 15-PER player.

That is: Houston is paying a player 40 million dollars this year who is not a league average starting PG. I am ok with him not being in Magic blue.

We gotta graduate past the PER thing

That's a very bad way to look at it. PER is a terrific composite score from box score stats. If you want to know how productive and efficient someone is and can only look at one number, look at PER.

It's very predictive of offensive capability. It is also interesting in what it doesn't capture, which is defense and intangibles. So where things don't add up based on what you'd expect from PER, you can quickly isolate defense and intangibles to fill in the gaps.

Edit: I think what turns people off about PER is that it is commonly used as the end-all be all of an analysis without highlighting the information it doesn't contain.

[drsd]

FVV is averaging 8.2 apg with only 1.8 TO per game

Pretty ridiculous how there were actual debates about how Fultz was a "better passer" than him

1) He is also shooting 36.4 with his 2ball on a bad 46.6% eFG.
2) He is making 40,000,000.00 this year to be a sub 15-PER player.

That is: Houston is paying a player 40 million dollars this year who is not a league average starting PG. I am ok with him not being in Magic blue.

We gotta graduate past the PER thing

He has a poor PER because he has shot the ball TERRIBLY this year. I am ok that the Magic has a poor shooter at 17M over a poor shooter at 40M, but that's just me.