Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[BlacJacMac]

It sounds like McLaughlin is out for a while (he will be re-evaluated in 4 weeks). I'll be curious to see if the team tries to add another bench PG. Even though McLaughlin was largely out of the rotation, he was still a guy Finch could bring in to run the offense and push the pace. There are going to be games where we will really need someone with his skill set, especially if Conley misses any games.

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Moore should be just fine for that. He may be better than Little Mac.

Wendell Moore?

Wendell Moore, Jr?

[DaMplsKid]

Posted in the Towns thread but will add it here:

Mikal Bridges is the #1 type of guy I would love to get. ( Karl goes home and plays with his friend again Simmons)
Franz Wagner highly doubt Orlando would want to move him but Town with Banchero could be a better fit. (would love to get either Anthony or Suggs included)
Grant Williams is becoming a great 3/D PF and would make a prefect glue guy who can play in multiple lineups. ( Dallas gets a 3rd "Star") we would need more maybe a 3rd team.
O.G> Anunoby see above ( Grant Williams)

Chet Holmgren would be a pipedream for me but would make a great fit for our future (if he can stay health)

[cmoss84]

Is John Collins a good fit? Would we be able to swing a 3-team trade for him?

[Neeva]

Is John Collins a good fit? Would we be able to swing a 3-team trade for him?

No he’s horrible defensively IMO.

[Neeva]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

[Klomp]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

I'm glad someone else sees what I see in Robinson. It seems like he's been in the league forever, but he's still only 25. If we're looking for who Rudy will one day pass the defensive torch to, there's not many skill set matches better than Robinson. He and Quickley would be an incredible return in terms of skill set fits and matching our longterm team needs as we continue to build out our core into the next generation.

[BlacJacMac]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

I'd do it. I love Robinson and Quickley for this team.

I probably wouldn't give up a 1st for Suggs though. Maybe if its one of those ridiculously protected ones that eventually becomes a 2nd. He's such a disaster on offense...

Black is the guy on Orlando that really intrigues me. He hasn't played much but he's been terrific on defense and better than expected (on a stupidly small sample size) on offense. But I doubt they're ready to move on from him yet.

[cmoss84]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

I've been looking at how to acquire Suggs from Orlando as well. FYI...he was on that list of top 10 defenders this year saturated by Timberwolves...

[Neeva]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

I'd do it. I love Robinson and Quickley for this team.

I probably wouldn't give up a 1st for Suggs though. Maybe if its one of those ridiculously protected ones that eventually becomes a 2nd. He's such a disaster on offense...

Black is the guy on Orlando that really intrigues me. He hasn't played much but he's been terrific on defense and better than expected (on a stupidly small sample size) on offense. But I doubt they're ready to move on from him yet.

Definitely a protected first or late first, I’m not particularly inspired by this upcoming draft and think Sugg’s game will surge playing back in his home state.

Also wouldn’t mind trading moore/protected first that turns into seconds, for Caruso either. I feel we are just a solid backup guard short of being special.

[GopherIt!]

i agree. lets go get Caruso from the Bulls. caruso/ant/jaden/slomo/rudy would be an elite defensive line up

[minimus]

i agree. lets go get Caruso from the Bulls. caruso/ant/jaden/slomo/rudy would be an elite defensive line up

This group would probably keep opponents under 90 points, and score 92. I like it!

[wolves_89]

i agree. lets go get Caruso from the Bulls. caruso/ant/jaden/slomo/rudy would be an elite defensive line up

The biggest problem with the Wolves making a trade is the lack of matching salary. I don't see anyone from the top 9 getting moved. A second issue is I seriously doubt the team is going over the luxury tax line, meaning we can only take back a little over $2M more than we would send out in trade. Basically, that is going to limit our trade options to guys making $4.7M or less (assuming Moore is going out) at the moment, and around $6.3M after Dec 15 (when Brown can be moved).

[minimus]

I’ve been looking at young players that would fit this team’s identity and IMO two of those are Mitchell Robinson and Jalen Suggs.

IMO we have to trade towns because of the hefty contract ( we need to bring back continuity with Conley and Anderson) Kat is a special player but he needs a change and wolves need to break his contract money into younger pieces that fit better around Ant and Jaden.

So Kat to NY for Robinson, quickley(6th man scorer), and 5 picks.

Then trade a frp and Moore Jr, for Jalen Suggs.

This team would lead the league in defense for years(by a lot) and would have young options to take over after Conley and Gobert are done.

Conley/Quickley
Ant/Suggs/Clark
McDaniels/ NAW/Minott
Anderson/Naz/Miller
Gobert/Robinson

I'm glad someone else sees what I see in Robinson. It seems like he's been in the league forever, but he's still only 25. If we're looking for who Rudy will one day pass the defensive torch to, there's not many skill set matches better than Robinson. He and Quickley would be an incredible return in terms of skill set fits and matching our longterm team needs as we continue to build out our core into the next generation.

I agree about Suggs, but:

1) I dont see NYK trading Mitchell they built their identity on outworking opponent on the glass, and Mitchell is a key performer here
2) as archetype of big man I dont see Mitchell fitting next to Gobert...

But I have another idea: what if we need our Al Horford type of a big next to Gobert? Horford has been struggling his whole career against true bigs, but once he developed more three point shot he became a really unique big. Horford is a good connector in offense, he moves the ball, knows his spots. When we speak about physical tools, we are looking for 6'9", 240 lbs, with 7'+ wingspan. Kind of undersized big.

The closest thing to Horford might be Wendell Carter Jr.: 6’9", 245 lbs with a 7′4” wingspan. He is versatile enough both in offense and defense, improving 3pt shooter and passer.

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But the biggest thing about Carter Jr is his descending contract:

13 mil 2023-24
12 mil 2024-25
11 mil 2025-26

For MIN his descending contract would be an absolute STEAL, because of our salary situation.

So trade would be: Towns, Moore for Carter Jr, Suggs, Isaac and late DEN 2025 FRP

Why for ORL: I truly beleive that Towns as five-out С would speed up their development because Towns, Banchero and Wagner would open the paint for Fultz, Black.

MIN roster after trade:

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Carter/Anderson/Isaac +Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Milton
Conley/Suggs/McLaughlin

Next year can keep Conley and Anderson, waive or trade Isaac. AND most importantly we will keep our core for another season.

Gobert/Reid/???
Carter/Anderson/Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Milton
Conley/Suggs/???

[Neeva]

No Isaac please, and I think it will take more than just one pick from Orlando. Kat’s shooting will come along and i think some of you will be surprised what he goes for if/when he is traded.

[minimus]

No Isaac please, and I think it will take more than just one pick from Orlando. Kat’s shooting will come along and i think some of you will be surprised what he goes for if/when he is traded.

1) Isaac is not an asset, his contract is just a salary filler

2) his contract is not fully guaranteed

[Colbinii]

Is John Collins a good fit? Would we be able to swing a 3-team trade for him?

We have Reid, Anderson, Towns and Gobert as bigs. Why would we want another one?

[cmoss84]

Is John Collins a good fit? Would we be able to swing a 3-team trade for him?

We have Reid, Anderson, Towns and Gobert as bigs. Why would we want another one?

This was a question in regard to possible Town's trades...

[Colbinii]

Is John Collins a good fit? Would we be able to swing a 3-team trade for him?

We have Reid, Anderson, Towns and Gobert as bigs. Why would we want another one?

This was a question in regard to possible Town's trades...

You didn't quote anyone so I couldn't possibly know the context.

Even trading Towns our big man rotation is superb.

[BlacJacMac]

I agree about Suggs, but:

1) I dont see NYK trading Mitchell they built their identity on outworking opponent on the glass, and Mitchell is a key performer here
2) as archetype of big man I dont see Mitchell fitting next to Gobert...

But I have another idea: what if we need our Al Horford type of a big next to Gobert? Horford has been struggling his whole career against true bigs, but once he developed more three point shot he became a really unique big. Horford is a good connector in offense, he moves the ball, knows his spots. When we speak about physical tools, we are looking for 6'9", 240 lbs, with 7'+ wingspan. Kind of undersized big.

The closest thing to Horford might be Wendell Carter Jr.: 6’9", 245 lbs with a 7′4” wingspan. He is versatile enough both in offense and defense, improving 3pt shooter and passer.

But the biggest thing about Carter Jr is his descending contract:

13 mil 2023-24
12 mil 2024-25
11 mil 2025-26

For MIN his descending contract would be an absolute STEAL, because of our salary situation.

So trade would be: Towns, Moore for Carter Jr, Suggs, Isaac and late DEN 2025 FRP

Why for ORL: I truly beleive that Towns as five-out С would speed up their development because Towns, Banchero and Wagner would open the paint for Fultz, Black.

MIN roster after trade:

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Carter/Anderson/Isaac +Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Milton
Conley/Suggs/McLaughlin

Next year can keep Conley and Anderson, waive or trade Isaac. AND most importantly we will keep our core for another season.

Gobert/Reid/???
Carter/Anderson/Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Milton
Conley/Suggs/???

I like WCJ a lot, but isn't he always hurt? He's out for at least 3 weeks after hand surgery right now.

And is Towns, Banchero and Wagner a good enough defensive front court for Orlando to add KAT's SuperMax?

[minimus]

I like WCJ a lot, but isn't he always hurt? He's out for at least 3 weeks after hand surgery right now. And is Towns, Banchero and Wagner a good enough defensive front court for Orlando to add KAT's SuperMax?

Yeah, he has been injury prone, it is always a risk but the question is whether he has avoided serious injuries.

Towns, Banchero and Wagner might be an average defensive frontcourt, but Fultz and Black are both big guards who can be excellent in defense. And 2021-22 MIN showed that you can build decent defense around Towns, while Banchero and Wagner can elevate offense to elite. Right now ORL kind of stuck in the middle: Isaac project has not panned out, Suggs might not have superstar potential, Carter Jr is a decent big, but not an elite talent.