PG Raps - Dame + Malik = WIN

[MickeyDavis]

From the Raps board

[FrieAaron]

Glad to finally have a double digit win and agree with the consensus that Dame needs to be running the offense more. I think part of that is also him getting more comfortable here.

[HKPackFan]

I have ripped on BEAS a lot.

But I have no issues with him off the bench and as a Bryn Forbes type.

I don't like him as a starter and I don't like him paired next to Dame. But I think he has a role on this team.


That being said...Well Done. I have been waiting for a special occasion to post this. Tonight....he was super cool.




For you new folks it's a different M. Beas but it's still super cool.

[fan230]

This. Shots were made tonight and missed other nights. The level of play offensively didn't change.

The ball movement tonight was insane compared to anything we’ve seen recently, all because Dame dominated the ball. What were you watching?

i had been beginning to doubt Dame's abilities as a passer. Yeah.. we are good there. I just think, given his size, if he's having an off night it's going to be hard for him to create the kind of situations where he can shine. Hopefully he's got enough left in the tank where those nights are few and far between once he's fully ramped up. But.. that's also why we have Giannis and Khris. this thing is going to be so awesome.

Today for the first time this season he was continually creating for other team mates. In no other game had he done this, neither in the early games where he scored very heavily nor in the game previous to today where he didn’t shoot well at all. I am hoping he can create like this for Giannis.

[Plossum]

Rotations, X’s and O’s, literally any other coaching decision will not come close to the impact of convincing Giannis to play off ball.

Agreed. Griffin’s priorities #1, 2, 3 and 4 need to be getting Giannis to play like Shaq or Kareem. Or Tim Duncan.

Amen. All these guys did their best work getting themselves into great spots in the post and finishing the subsequent looks when the ball came their way. Giannis isn’t skilled enough to play like Lebron but he’s physical enough to play like Shaq.

[th87]

I have ripped on BEAS a lot.

But I have no issues with him off the bench and as a Bryn Forbes type.

I don't like him as a starter and I don't like him paired next to Dame. But I think he has a role on this team.


That being said...Well Done. I have been waiting for a special occasion to post this. Tonight....he was super cool.




For you new folks it's a different M. Beas but it's still super cool.

This is why I can't trust myself to get a tattoo.

No way he looks back on that proudly in 30 years.

[HKPackFan]

The ball movement tonight was insane compared to anything we’ve seen recently, all because Dame dominated the ball. What were you watching?

i had been beginning to doubt Dame's abilities as a passer. Yeah.. we are good there. I just think, given his size, if he's having an off night it's going to be hard for him to create the kind of situations where he can shine. Hopefully he's got enough left in the tank where those nights are few and far between once he's fully ramped up. But.. that's also why we have Giannis and Khris. this thing is going to be so awesome.

Today for the first time this season he was continually creating for other team mates. In no other game had he done this, neither in the early games where he scored very heavily nor in the game previous to today where he didn’t shoot well at all. I am hoping he can create like this for Giannis.

He did have 7 assists a few nights ago, so I do remember recently he was finding guys. But agreed his passing and creating was truly next level tonight.

He seemed much more at home knowing he's the man and everything goes through him. In other games there have been stretches where Giannis goes out and Dame is alone out there and he starts to take control and looks more comfortable.

He does well with Lopez screens.

It's almost as if Dame is too nice and let's Giannis do his thing when they are both on the court and then when Giannis leaves, Dame just takes over.

Maybe with so many games rapid one after another, and training camp was more about new system and getting their legs back, these two haven't had a chance to build that chemistry yet. And when the games count for W/L's Giannis wants to win so bad he just puts his head down and goes, and hasn't been able to spend time on how to incorporate Dame on the fly like this.

It feels like these two need a couple weeks downtime together just working things out and walking and talking it through.

[tedbrogen]

Positives:
- The offense spacing was much better. Kept shooters in the corners more. Go look at the play with 4:20 left in the first, Dame PnR with shooter in each corner and one on the wing, Dame gets an easier layup. That spacing is a huge reason the shooting got back on track.
- Dame distributing (that pass to Bobby for the layup was great vision)
- Career best game from Beas and a concerted effort to be in the corner on offense which is where he should be when Dame is out there
- Marjon looked good before the ankle
- Almost three quarters of sensible less aggressive D funneling guys to help in the middle. Even going under screens on certain shooters. Raps took the bait big time especially in the first half.
-AJJ still makes an impact even when he looks like a rookie
- Broke the Raps D to the point they went zone and just let the Bucks shoot whatever wide open three they wanted

Negatives:
- D started to revert to bad overly aggressive habits in the late 3rd and through the 4th. Way too many guys already in rotation trying to jump passing lanes.
- Gotta fix that D rebounding still
- Transition D tanked late in the game as well although that might have been because the Raps were leaking out early when they were in the zone
- Marion’s ankle injury, hope it was short term
- I so confused by Pat, he seems like one of the few that can grab a rebound but he is also back to flying by guys on closeouts multiple times per game and his shooting is still off, he’s still the obvious guy to try and turn into Thybulle or Caruso.imo
- Will Midds ever play 25 mins in a regular season game again? Or is this managing him until the playoffs to protect his knees?

[tedbrogen]

i had been beginning to doubt Dame's abilities as a passer. Yeah.. we are good there. I just think, given his size, if he's having an off night it's going to be hard for him to create the kind of situations where he can shine. Hopefully he's got enough left in the tank where those nights are few and far between once he's fully ramped up. But.. that's also why we have Giannis and Khris. this thing is going to be so awesome.

Today for the first time this season he was continually creating for other team mates. In no other game had he done this, neither in the early games where he scored very heavily nor in the game previous to today where he didn’t shoot well at all. I am hoping he can create like this for Giannis.

He did have 7 assists a few nights ago, so I do remember recently he was finding guys. But agreed his passing and creating was truly next level tonight.

He seemed much more at home knowing he's the man and everything goes through him. In other games there have been stretches where Giannis goes out and Dame is alone out there and he starts to take control and looks more comfortable.

He does well with Lopez screens.

It's almost as if Dame is too nice and let's Giannis do his thing when they are both on the court and then when Giannis leaves, Dame just takes over.

Maybe with so many games rapid one after another, and training camp was more about new system and getting their legs back, these two haven't had a chance to build that chemistry yet. And when the games count for W/L's Giannis wants to win so bad he just puts his head down and goes, and hasn't been able to spend time on how to incorporate Dame on the fly like this.

It feels like these two need a couple weeks downtime together just working things out and walking and talking it through.

There’s also been a spacing problem with the Dame/Giannis time on the floor. Should be easy to fix. Giannis needs to rim run on every screen and the other three players have to stay spaced out so Dame still has room to drive even with Giannis running towards the hoop.

There have been times when GA does screen but then he doesn’t roll so the other team just leaves him open at the three point line to blitz Dame.

[Brewhoopfan]

Giannis will never play like Shaq, and it would waste a lot of his talent if he tried. I think the key is to always immediately put him into an action getting him going downhill as a roller or driver. Never, EVER, allow him to ISO except in the post. Keep the ball moving.

[bucksfansince88]

The truth is NIETHER Dame and Giannis need to reinvent themselves.

BOTH simply need to tweak their games and gain more chemistry to have a better feel for when to take the lead from the other

The idea that either guy needs to reinvent themselves is simply limiting one and missing the point of pairing them together

Respectively disagree. The point of pairing them wasn’t to have Giannis bring the ball up, go 1-4 into the wall, and shoot 3’s. He’s got to end that.

Griff won’t be able to get through to him either…Giannis has to wake up and make the adjustment. Get off the ball and make the right play when he has it in his hands

[AussieBuck]

I guess MarJon getting hurt and Beasley getting hot means another dozen games of coaching malpractice in the starting lineup. ah well, at least we got a win and looked a bit like a basketball team.

[HKPackFan]

I have ripped on BEAS a lot.

But I have no issues with him off the bench and as a Bryn Forbes type.

I don't like him as a starter and I don't like him paired next to Dame. But I think he has a role on this team.


That being said...Well Done. I have been waiting for a special occasion to post this. Tonight....he was super cool.




For you new folks it's a different M. Beas but it's still super cool.

This is why I can't trust myself to get a tattoo.

No way he looks back on that proudly in 30 years.

At least he doesn't look "back" often. He'd need a mirror. Couldn't help myself.

[th87]

I have ripped on BEAS a lot.

But I have no issues with him off the bench and as a Bryn Forbes type.

I don't like him as a starter and I don't like him paired next to Dame. But I think he has a role on this team.


That being said...Well Done. I have been waiting for a special occasion to post this. Tonight....he was super cool.




For you new folks it's a different M. Beas but it's still super cool.

This is why I can't trust myself to get a tattoo.

No way he looks back on that proudly in 30 years.

At least he doesn't look "back" often. He'd need a mirror. Couldn't help myself.

[Sigra]

Respectively disagree. The point of pairing them wasn’t to have Giannis bring the ball up, go 1-4 into the wall, and shoot 3’s. He’s got to end that.

100% true. Those 3 things he should never do.

However, I am concerned that Giannis must do those things in order to feel good and then play good. There is a real danger that he will lose his confidence and dominance if some coach force him to play the right way.

Also, it could be true that he can be great only if he plays like basketball version of "running back" from NFL. With his bad fundamentals (shooting, screens, box out, post up) and overall bad basketball IQ he just may be bad solution for any other basketball. If that is true then we made mistake when we traded Jrue for Dame. But still, we had to do that and see what is what.

[drone3]

Beasley was smoking hot..if he can somehow be consistent he can stay

[greekbuck34]

That first half was pure magic on both sides of the court. Dame had his best minutes on the court apart from these 3 4th quarters. He looked quicker, his legs looked stronger at the rim, less unforced turnovers and his insane range is starting to come back.

Griffin's plan in the first game against the Raptors was completely wrong and on this one and he fixed almost everything even without a tool like Giannis available. He made more adjustments in his first month than Bud did on his entire tenure with us.
The rebounding is still a size issue imo but AJJ looks like he will help a lot.

People who say that Dame should do this every single time have no idea. He had like 50% usage in the first half and he already looked gassed in the 3rd quarter. Dame told us himself. Now with Giannis and Khris on the court he doesn't have to start the 4th quarter completely gassed. He wants to share the ball in the first 3 quarters.

We already looked fine even with Giannis but Dame just didn't fully have his legs yet. He was 15% on open 3s before the last game, he made bizzare turnovers for him and he missed easy layups at the rim. He wasn't himself but still at this state he was capable of closing for us 3 games because he was near completely fresh in the 4th quarter.

We just need to find a balance between the 3 big guys once they are all fully fit because when we do not only Dame will be fresh in the 4th quarter but also Giannis will have more energy at the same time to play his DPOY defense and rebounding in the end.

Now we know why Beasley has to start. With Giannis and Dame getting double teams some guys will be left alone the whole game and Beasley is a guy who will try to punish you no matter his shooting night or the team he faces. He will shoot 15 3s if you don't guard him without hesitation. He has that pure pro NBA shooter energy guys like JJ Redick had and those guys needed to start and take early shots to get going and stay hot for the whole game some times. We are paying another price on defense but for that spacing it's worth it. AJ Green is similar imo and he has the ability to make 3s even coming cold from the bench.

I hope MarJon is fine. It didn't look that bad but you never really know with ankle sprains.

[RRyder823]

The truth is NIETHER Dame and Giannis need to reinvent themselves.

BOTH simply need to tweak their games and gain more chemistry to have a better feel for when to take the lead from the other

The idea that either guy needs to reinvent themselves is simply limiting one and missing the point of pairing them together

Respectively disagree. The point of pairing them wasn’t to have Giannis bring the ball up, go 1-4 into the wall, and shoot 3’s. He’s got to end that.

I mean if it's one on 4 Dame should be pretty damn open for a 3 pointer.

Limiting either is dumb. Let them build chemistry and open up the court for each other.

Trying to turn Dame into something he's not (like a Nash just setting people up) is dumb and its dumb to do the same to Giannis.

Each has strengths. They both need to tweak their games to play off each other. This idea of whole sale changes to eithers game completely misses the point.

Tweak. Not completely change

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[skones]

Almost as if a guy who can blow up for 30 would have value on a roster. Imagine that.

[AussieBuck]

AJJ a non factor in a career high 16 minutes

I can't let you get away with this

Super weird comment. Barnes cooked everyone else and made the one corner three on AJJ off help D. He also gave up one other bucket in his 16 minutes.